EK 777 bird encounter!!!

[puff m'call]

A little birdie told me the other day that an Emirates B777 Captain returned to stand because there was a bird perched on the right engine cowling, and made a Tech log entry to the fact.

Engineers replay to clear the entry was "bird flew away".

Is this really true guys??????:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

[ChocksOn]

Yep! That is true! Happened last week!

[Murrenfan]

Here you go

EK Outter, what kind of professional you are...even if you dislike the report, like I do, there's no reason to publish a document where names are shown. Mods, this needs to be removed. Professionals like you that makes this job a misery!

[aeropix]

Is it really necessary to out our colleagues on operational decisions after the fact when none of us were present at the event? Is it really a good way to promote professionalism and pilot-unity in these hard times?

I wasn't there neither, but consider what you would do if there was a large piece of known F.O.D. on the aircraft, runway, or taxiway. Would you be happy to run the thrust levers up knowing that there would be a good chance for FOD ingestion upon application of power?

Yes, it's a funny thing to snicker about when you read such a logbook entry, but maybe we ought to save such things for private conversations over a beer rather than embarrassing our friends and ourselves in a public forum.

[777boyindubai]

Not cool ekoutter.

[fantom]

Reminds me of a day I took over an A/c in KWI. Tech log said '3 cockroaches in flight deck. Two fled and one was executed to death'.

[777-200LR]

I wasn't there neither, but consider what you would do if there was a large piece of known F.O.D. on the aircraft, runway, or taxiway. Would you be happy to run the thrust levers up knowing that there would be a good chance for FOD ingestion upon application of power?

What if the bird was on top of the fuselage where no passenger nor crew could have seen it? What if this happened at night, or IMC?

I wasn't there but are you suggesting that we delay every take off when you see or are informed of birds either side of the runway or taxiway?

[aeropix]

What if the bird was on top of the fuselage where no passenger nor crew could have seen it? What if this happened at night, or IMC?

I wasn't there but are you suggesting that we delay every take off when you see or are informed of birds either side of the runway or taxiway?

I AM suggesting that as each situation is unique and different then we should operate in a responsible, safe and conservative manner in response to the facts we are given.

And after we do that we can show some tact, thoughtfulness, and demonstrate professionalism by refraining from openly calling out our colleagues after the fact especially in situations where we were not present and have no knowledge of the specific circumstances.

We need to look out for each other, as nobody else will. If the OP or EKOUTTER have some problem with how this pilot responded to the facts he was presented, why not directly contact him instead of bullying him in public? Is that behavior more appropriate?

[gearlever]

What if the bird was on top of the fuselage where no passenger nor crew could have seen it? What if this happened at night, or IMC?


Sorry to disagree. What if a flat spot or nail is on one of the plane's tyres on your walk around but unfortunately it's where the tyre contacts the tarmac?

[777-200LR]

I AM suggesting that as each situation is unique and different then we should operate in a responsible, safe and conservative manner in response to the facts we are given.

And after we do that we can show some tact, thoughtfulness, and demonstrate professionalism by refraining from openly calling out our colleagues after the fact especially in situations where we were not present and have no knowledge of the specific circumstances.

We need to look out for each other, as nobody else will. If the OP or EKOUTTER have some problem with how this pilot responded to the facts he was presented, why not directly contact him instead of bullying him in public? Is that behavior more appropriate?

Fair point. I am not one for public naming and shaming

[aslan1982]

Guy's
The guy wrote in the tech log there is a report of a bird on the right engine/wing.
So it's pretty obvious why he decided to go back.
But the decision to go back is why some of us bang our heads against the wall , as I'm sure the company are doing ,
When you have a report of ice on the wing ,You don't just run back to the stand . You walk back and check it out . Then make a decision .
This guy is returning to stand from a report . His words in writing . This is shocking.
Using common sense, you might come to the conclusion that this bird will just fly away once we get moving. If people start going back to the stand for this crap then the world of aviation had gone mad.
If that was a sim , guess what - you fail. Anyway a laughable scenario that is beyond the thinking of crazy examiners.
EK has unfortunately bred these types of people through training (checking ) and fear . There is no excuse on earth for this decision in my opinion and what the hell was the other so called pilot doing.
Also a video has surfaced of this dinosaur of a bird . If one went back to see this prehistoric beast , they may have made a more sensible decision. (It was the size of a small pigeon sitting on top of the engine)

[Talparc]

paranoia at its finest

Looks like EK managed to finally destroy Airmanship.

[Monarch Man]

EK has unfortunately bred these types of people through training (checking ) and fear . There is no excuse on earth for this decision in my opinion and what the hell was the other so called pilot doing.

And that Ladies and Gentlemen sums up the situation perfectly, reminds me of the South American chap I recently shared the car with who proudly told me he went around from 1400 AGL as the flaps hadn't reached their final setting, or the FO who uttered the words "I'm uncomfortable" when I briefed a F25 landing (777) as he was told by a nameless TRE on his last PPC...whom I phoned and spoke too later, and he confirmed F25 landings on the 777 are "illegal" :ugh:
Our wonderful training/CHECKING department which is being taking over by idiots disguised as useful idiots.

[Maz11]

Is that like the prat who filed an ASR for 'ommiting' the landing lights due to a distraction :rolleyes:

[Flyboy_SG]

Yes it was in Damam. Forget sharing here, the copy of tech log is making rounds around the world in WhatsApp. I got it from a Taiwanese friend ! Within a day.

[Big Enos Burdette]

https://youtu.be/sj6-LG5VpGk

[The Outlaw]

It reminds me of the competition between EK, ET, QR, and TK somehow with Dick Dastardly in the roll of STC, each company having its own special features in the air!

Great analogy!!

However, if "a bird in the hand beats two in the bush" then perhaps a "bird on the wing has broken something". I think either of them beats a "4 of a kind", and thats no bushtit.

In some cultures a "pigeon on a pylon" could be a bad omen especially if that pigeon has ties to "Avian Brotherhood". I mean I suppose it could have been a Rock Pigeon, and they'll do damage to an engine, especially the little guitar, tattoos and skull jewelry.

Not everyone likes a Hairy Woodpecker either, and the policy these days is to "make it clean and keep it clean", not like it was in the 70's.

[allaru]

Monarch Man you got it ........tRa in iNgCHECKING!!!! (note the obvious disjointed, incoherent, confusing, unfair, useless, and inconsistent depiction of the word training) which has resulted in otherwise competent guys, oh and gals losing all of their confidence and common sense after years of beating....and its worse than its ever been...BY FAR......I give their entire department a solid 1 in all competencies/PAMS or whatever the F#$k they call it. And we all thought the little symbol they wore on their epaulets was a STAR...actually its a little A-hole.

Back to the subject....how about the one "WIFI signal poor in the cockpit" which I saw recently.

[Oldaircrew]

I believe that one was actually a hoax(at least I hope so). Apparently someone on his upgrade course thought it would be funny and put it on his group chat. One of his mates then sent it to a friend and violá, you have a disaster. Didn't stop him getting in the pooh though, poor bastard.

[Marcellus Wallace]

Can't blame the Training Department if you don't engage your grey matter....

[Trader]

WIFI one is real. The FO was called in during the 'investigation".

[glofish]

Well, no surprise here.

Simply read the weekly EK/ASR comic strip.
The stupidity is hair raising.

Begs the question who went south first, the training and trainers, or the candidates.

[Kapitanleutnant]

The logbook page with the bird write-up is indeed floating around the net... I've seen it. The way its written up is.... well, lets say interesting.

[TangoUniform]

This reminds me of the old Twighlight Zone tv show, where passenger William Shatner (Star Trek first Capt Kirk for you youngsters) is a passenger, looks out the window and sees this little ghoul, monster what ever, on the wing tearing the wing and engine apart. Trouble is he's the only one to see it. Goes crazy in the end, but after landing the wing and engine ARE torn up.

So they were damn lucky to have someone report the bird. Could have pecked his way through the nacelle and created all sorts of damage during flight.:eek: Very smart captain, no?:}

[Mr Good Cat]

This reminds me of the old Twighlight Zone tv show, where passenger William Shatner (Star Trek first Capt Kirk for you youngsters) is a passenger, looks out the window and sees this little ghoul, monster what ever, on the wing tearing the wing and engine apart. Trouble is he's the only one to see it. Goes crazy in the end, but after landing the wing and engine ARE torn up.

So they were damn lucky to have someone report the bird. Could have pecked his way through the nacelle and created all sorts of damage during flight.:eek: Very smart captain, no?:}

:eek:

The 80's movie version was better:

https://youtu.be/ctHltBauGc8

[Panther 88]

Much edgier. The original almost comedic in comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dar2HKImK-0

Maybe a remake of the remake "Horror at 35000 ft, Bird On A Wing". Starring TCAS in his first major roll. He has big shoes to fill.............

[Praise Jebus]

There's something on the wing, some......thing....

[Airmann]

It's the culture in the airline that is bred through fear tactics that starts in management. Look think about it. You get a report that the bird is sitting on the engine pylon. Ok so you increase thrust a bit but it doesn't budge. So there's two thoughts that could go through your head at this moment.

1. Once we set TO thrust that birds going to fly away.
2. Once we set TO thrust that birds going to get sucked into the engine.

So at an airline where the captain's are still in control and where management are not looking to pass all the blame for every event on the pilots and will back them up in front of angry owners the first thought is the natural one.

At an airline where the management are in it for money and have unsympathetic incompasionate overseas that are ready to drop all the blame on the pilots to save their ass at any given moment then pilots learn to always think of the worst possible situation. Always. They become experts at it. To the point that they turn into nervous wrecks. And so a bird on the nacelle becomes an ingested bird. Becomes a rejected TO. Becomes a busted engine. Becomes an enquiry which finds that the pilots were warned of the bird. Becomes a firing for not considering the dangers of the bird.

[Che Xindamail]

It's the culture in the airline that is bred through fear tactics that starts in management. Look think about it. You get a report that the bird is sitting on the engine pylon. Ok so you increase thrust a bit but it doesn't budge. So there's two thoughts that could go through your head at this moment.

1. Once we set TO thrust that birds going to fly away.
2. Once we set TO thrust that birds going to get sucked into the engine.

So at an airline where the captain's are still in control and where management are not looking to pass all the blame for every event on the pilots and will back them up in front of angry owners the first thought is the natural one.

At an airline where the management are in it for money and have unsympathetic incompasionate overseas that are ready to drop all the blame on the pilots to save their ass at any given moment then pilots learn to always think of the worst possible situation. Always. They become experts at it. To the point that they turn into nervous wrecks. And so a bird on the nacelle becomes an ingested bird. Becomes a rejected TO. Becomes a busted engine. Becomes an enquiry which finds that the pilots were warned of the bird. Becomes a firing for not considering the dangers of the bird.


Absolutely brilliant! As well as the coolest bird I've seen in a long time.

[RK Blue sky]

On the topic of ridiculous write ups let's not forget the classic B-777 F report. "Captain couldn't sleep in the bunk because the FO was making too much noise in the galley."
It was only a two man Crew.
Only at Emirates

[Odins Raven]

On the topic of ridiculous write ups let's not forget the classic B-777 F report. "Captain couldn't sleep in the bunk because the FO was making too much noise in the galley."
It was only a two man Crew.
Only at Emirates

***Alleged incident (for legal purposes)***

Don't think that one actually made it as far as the weekly compilation though did it? Think the crew probably received their dismissal via ACARS, which they could have read had they been in the right part of the airplane...

[JammedStab]

Look think about it. You get a report that the bird is sitting on the engine pylon. Ok so you increase thrust a bit but it doesn't budge. So there's two thoughts that could go through your head at this moment.

1. Once we set TO thrust that birds going to fly away.
2. Once we set TO thrust that birds going to get sucked into the engine.



Apparently the captain took the liberty of examining that bird and discovered that the only reason that it was mounted on the engine was that it had been nailed there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE

At 1:48

[Praise Jebus]

Perhaps the hold over time for birds had been exceeded....

[brakedwell]

It must have been a bloody big ****ehawk.

[donpizmeov]

Couldn't get it to squawk standby?

[luvly jubbly]

Bird on wing (https://mobile.twitter.com/Davidhlawton/status/467268945884745728/photo/1)

[JAARule]

Might've been easier to just let the taxi speed wind up to 30 kts. Pretty easy out of Dammam at that weight at idle thrust and the bird would reach Vne and depart the scene. They need to run this scenario in the sim matrix, get some real training going on.

What an amazing fear culture they've managed to foster.

[brakedwell]

A touch of reverse thrust might have done the trick. Birds don't it up em you know :eek:

[Neektu]

Problem now is that will introduce a mandatory, semi-annual, three-hour session on Handling Bird Sim

[fatbus]

The " bird module "

[motley flight crue]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbbxH3Y-tIA&sns=em

[The Outlaw]

S9Y0wSe_G3g

The possible 3rd floor debriefing...and the use of "fowl" language :hmm:

[leewan]

I encountered an incident some years back when a departing EK 380 FO suspected icing on the wing based on the view from the taxi camera. He insisted on personally viewing the wing even when told it was just condensation and explaining the facts and that the elevated platform would take 30 to 45 minutes to arrive. Location : Singapore. Aircraft was departing after a scheduled 6 hour ground time. Aircraft departed with a delay of 1.5 hour.

[Flyboy_SG]

Wow, Icing @ Sg....thank God he didn't suspect it at Dubai.
Reminds of someone who deviated for a super which crossed us below....

[alwayzinit]

To be fair many moons ago at the end of the season, I tanked gas into a Greek island, I forget which one.
To my dismay we made a load of hoar frost on the wing! A real Homer moment!

I was offered a broom...............................:cool:

[donpizmeov]

This week's installment.
The new flightdeck to ground crew communications manual.

It does seem to be Fleet that keeps on giving.

[The Outlaw]

I guess they realized that "the bird is the word"!