F-35 Pilot height min-max measurements ?

[The RAF Taff]

Anyone got this info?

[SpazSinbad]

A clue? However the height min-max may depend on the pilot training environment of air arm concerned?

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewNewAllBum/F-35heightWeightPilot.jpg~original (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewNewAllBum/F-35heightWeightPilot.jpg.html)

[EAP86]

I think the US Congress mandates a range of 99%ile Male to 1%ile Female for all US aircraft designs. If you Google for "US Anthropometric Data" you should be able to find out what this means.

EAP

[T28B]

Sitting height and effective reach are probably in each national physiology standard/regulation.

[SpazSinbad]

After getting through the national pilot training pipeline in various training aircraft with various weight/height restrictions then one may consider what is required for the F-35. It is reported to have the widest range of height & weight but what the height is? DUNNO.

Some USAF answers here: https://www.quora.com/Are-there-height-restrictions-for-fighter-pilots

[The RAF Taff]

Preferably RAF Limits. Something Iv always wanted to do but my height put me off (6ft4) dad was guardsmen. Thinking about going WSOp but Iv got a year wait before I can resit CBAT. I'd like to know if I could be FJ I reckon chance of streaming is high with all the F35 in order.

[SpazSinbad]

Well then, considering RAF go to sea being a crab is a benefit but you have to be a NON one way swimmer also. This Martin Baker PDF gives some charts but not specifically for the F-35:

http://www.safeeurope.co.uk/media/1080/06-p-marston-accomodating-21sr-century-pilot-the-hf-in-ejection-seat-restraint.pdf (0.8Mb)

Potentially an answer here for the beginning part of RAF/crab training:

Fighter Jet Pilots Height 2016 | Fighter Jet Pilots Height BookInfos.org - Read eBooks, Magazines and Textbooks (http://bookinfos.org/fighter-jet-pilots-height-reb.html)
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Try aksing RAF recruiters with some info BMIwise here:

Royal Air Force Pilot requirements | Flying Start (http://www.flying-start.org/age-18-to-24/choose-route/military/raf-requirements/)
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A place for answers: https://www.raf.mod.uk/recruitment/contact/
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Then there is THIS! AP1269A Lflt 4 05 Anthropometry Enclosure B U.pdf ATTACHED
"This leaflet outlines policy for recording aircrew anthropometry in the RAF to ensure that aircrew meet anthropometric safety and functional limits for the aircraft in which they fly. For the purposes of this leaflet, aircrew weight is considered to be a component of anthropometry. Although not yet covered by this leaflet, anthropometry is equally important in Army and RN aviation. Questions concerning Army and RN anthropometry should be addressed to the relevant single-Service Consultant Adviser in Aviation Medicine." https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/197889/response/499716/attach/5/AP1269A%20Lflt%204%2005%20Anthropometry%20Enclosure%20B%20U. pdf

[SpazSinbad]

FLY NAVY: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_east/6640521.stm

Graphic & text from above PDF: AP1269A Lflt 4 05 Anthropometry Enclosure B U.pdf
"NOTES
1. Aircrew to have QFI check on flying aircraft for the first time to ensure full and free movement of all controls, ability to effect emergency egress and confirm absence of snagging with controls or aircraft structures. Aircrew should be referred to CFMO for formal cockpit assessment (iaw Annex A) if borderline/fail to ensure data captured for future career management....

4. Additional Typhoon RTS anthropometry data requirements (to be assessed at RAF CAM on Typhoon OCU course):
Eye Sitting Height 705 – 895 mm
Sitting Knee Length 470 – 630 mm
Bideltoid Breadth 400 – 530 mm
Sitting Hip Breadth 310 – 470 mm
Torso Hoop 1500 – 1800 mm
Stomach Depth 190 – 325 mm
Thigh Circumference 470 – 700 mm
Buttock Popliteal 430 – 550 mm "

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewNewAllBum/LEAFLET%204-05%20ANNEX%20B%20RAF%20ANTHROPOMETRIC%20LIMITS%20DIMENSIONAL .gif~original (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewNewAllBum/LEAFLET%204-05%20ANNEX%20B%20RAF%20ANTHROPOMETRIC%20LIMITS%20DIMENSIONAL .gif.html)

[SpazSinbad]

Bearing in mind one has to 'get there' (F-35) via the training system this is the Martin-Baker Ejection seat info which would apply to 'wot pilot can sit in dere seat':
"JPATS multi-variate body size cases 1-8"
http://www.martin-baker.com/_pdfs/mk16_f-35.pdf (0.5Mb)

[SpazSinbad]

MORE info about JPATS than I care to read: 43 page PDF from PPT attached wot is SHRUNKED but still OK readable..... NEW better CROPped PDF attached - previous version not cropped appropriately....

http://web.mit.edu/~yves/www/Missy/Boeing Anthro lecture.ppt (4Mb)

Current Accommodation Problems
(AFI 48-123 = 64” to 77” Standing height and 34” to 40” Sitting Height.)
Background
JPATS (Joint Primary Aircraft Training System)
• 1994 - Congress directed that the JPATS would accommodate 95% of female military population.

• This translates to a 58” Standing Height and 31” Sitting Height minimum

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewNewAllBum/JPATSheight.jpg~original (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewNewAllBum/JPATSheight.jpg.html)

[devonianflyer]

Don't let the overall height thing put you off fella, I'm 6'5 and I got in; it's all to do with the various limb ratios. That said, I got moved out of the FJ stream as I couldn't fit into the Hawk which, at the time, was certainly the limiting factor in the FJ pipeline in terms of anthro. I fit according to RAFCAM measurements but failed a seat check quite spectacularly, it wasn't even close!

However, going Multis was the best thing that ever happened to me, don't fear it!

p.s. With manning the way it is, I'd say the chances of being streamed Multis/RPAS is just as high as FJ these days even with the F35 inbound...

[Bob Viking]

It's a boring fact but one of the details in that table just shows how lazy someone was when when they made it. The Hawk T1 and T2 LP cocks (FR critical control) are not in the same place. Despite what many think the T1 and the T2 are not the same aeroplane.

Sadly for our OP the T2 cockpit is a little more restrictive than its predecessor though. We still have some beanpoles on it so don't give up trying until they have to do a winch-out test on you!

BV

[EAP86]

BV is correct. Height on its own isn't the critical factor; its how much of your height is in your back or your legs. Of all the dimensions, buttock knee length is probably one to watch out for. IIRC one or two of Warton's original Typhoon test pilots were outside of the aircraft anthro limits until they went through the winch out test (and the early DAs used the Mk10L seat which was a bit more cramped on buttock knee length).

EAP

[6foottanker]

We had a few established crew fail the Voyager anthros a few months back because of the rather arbitrary measurements that are in place, despite the flight deck being ENORMOUS! Nothing that a quick visit from the Doc couldn't solve though.

[camelspyyder]

I can't believe the lack of anthro limits for WSOP, considering I remember when a couple of lads were chopped from AEOp because they were too tall for any of the crew seats in a Nimrod or Sentry.

I like the OP's new found ambition though - last week he wanted to be MTD or a Gunner having failed WSOp CBAT already.

Go for it mate - you may just be the 1 in 10000 that get from "being interested" to "being a Fast Jet Pilot".

Good Luck.

[The RAF Taff]

I can't believe the lack of anthro limits for WSOP, considering I remember when a couple of lads were chopped from AEOp because they were too tall for any of the crew seats in a Nimrod or Sentry.

I like the OP's new found ambition though - last week he wanted to be MTD or a Gunner having failed WSOp CBAT already.

Go for it mate - you may just be the 1 in 10000 that get from "being interested" to "being a Fast Jet Pilot".

Good Luck.

Well I still want WSOp but I came very close to passing for pilot. Never considered it due to my height and I did an Level 3 engineering BTEC instead of A levels so can't go officer. I'm just doing some digging seeing what's available. In an ideal world I'd like to do all 3. Doubt I'll be doing that tho ;)

[camelspyyder]

Depending on the service you choose to join, being a commissioned Officer is not a pre-requisite to becoming a military pilot.

[The RAF Taff]

Depending on the service you choose to join, being a commissioned Officer is not a pre-requisite to becoming a military pilot.

Is the age limit extended for serving airmen?