Top Gun 2

[tartare]

...because you all loved the first one so much.

Tom Cruise confirms there will be a Top Gun 2 (http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/tom-cruise-confirms-there-will-be-a-top-gun-2-20170523-gwbplp.html)

Plotline?
Mav is a cynical old desk-driving John Boyd type teaching young UAV hacks.
When suddenly he gets the call to Luke to train on the F-35 for a mission with a new UCAV drone - code-name Goose...

[West Coast]

Cynical?

Soooo....you're saying he's lost that lovin feeling?

[A_Van]

This news started spreading in the end of 2016. Good to hear that Jerry Bruckheimer is the producer, IMHO this is the key to success.

BTW, Tom Cruise did not support this idea (Top Gun 1) initially, but after he was given a ride onboard F/A-18, he changed his mind. An excerpt from the article that could be found at the following URL:
The Awesome Perk That Sold Tom Cruise On Starring In Top Gun, According To Jerry Bruckheimer (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Awesome-Perk-Sold-Tom-Cruise-Starring-Top-Gun-According-Jerry-Bruckheimer-126027.html)
".....Tom Cruise was originally reticent about taking the part of Maverick. Getting him to change his mind was actually a pretty major undertaking as it apparently involved contacting the United States Navy and putting Tom Cruise (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Apparently-Tom-Cruise-One-Who-Invented-Les-Grossman-74407.html) in one of the famous Blue Angels jets. Once he’d been up in the air however, the deal was done."

[thunderbird7]

Newsflash;Vice Admiral Pete 'Maverick' Mitchell to be charged in connection with the so called 'Fat Leonard' affair. Having only recently cleared his name over charges relating to the 'Tailhook Scandal', Vice Admiral Mitchell is said to be devastated. Asked for comment, his office stated that the charges had "taken his breath away" and he had "lost that lovin' feeling" for the prosecutors.

[tartare]

Hmmm - the story I'd heard is that our action hero did actually go up in a jet but got very airsick...
Tom Cruise Says His Top Gun Training Involved Vomiting, Choking And A Pilot Named Bozo (http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1567929/tom-cruise-says-his-top-gun-training-involved-vomiting-choking-and-a-pilot-named-bozo)
And may be this time they'll use CGI to at least depict proper MiGs or J-10s or whatever - instead of F-5s.

[Pontius Navigator]

They should have used CGI when 5-7 Cruise played 6-5 Jack Reacher. Talk about miscasting unless it was deliberate for the small screen

[Snyggapa]

They should have used CGI when 5-7 Cruise played 6-5 Jack Reacher. Talk about miscasting unless it was deliberate for the small screen

I guess they took the cheaper option of a ten inch box :}

[BEagle]

I wonder whether Val Kilmer will also be available for TG2?

It would be great if Duke Stroud (the coffee spilling Air Boss Johnson) could also appear - although he's now 79 years old...

Jerry Bruckheimer will indeed be the key to success - and I hope that there'll be some more Harold Faltermeyer musical scores.

[tartare]

BEagle - I read that he has indeed signed up - and that he and Maverick are now best buds in the new screenplay.
So much for "...that's Mr Iceman to you..."

[Less Hair]

Top Gun became so popular back then that the USN re-introduced leather flight jackets afterwards. This time it might be a gold coloured "Maverick"-drone controller or similar?

[SpazSinbad]

'Less Hair' when before the TopGun fillum were USN leather flight jackets discontinued?

[DirtyProp]

What about Kelly? I had a major crush on her.
Will she be back as well? We need to be told!

[Expatrick]

BEagle - I read that he has indeed signed up - and that he and Maverick are now best buds in the new screenplay.
So much for "...that's Mr Iceman to you..."

Er, no, that's Ice person, if you don't mind!

[Martin the Martian]

It would be great if Duke Stroud (the coffee spilling Air Boss Johnson) could also appear - although he's now 79 years old...



That's easy enough.

There he is in his nursing home, and just as he is handed a cup of coffee by his carer-

VROOOAAARRRRR!!!

"G0ddamit! Not again!"

[Lonewolf_50]

Tom Cruise confirms there will be a Top Gun 2 (http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/tom-cruise-confirms-there-will-be-a-top-gun-2-20170523-gwbplp.html)
Gutsiest move I ever saw.


Please don't bring Kelly back.

[CargoMatatu]

Agreed.

She let so many of us down with the revelation. :eek:

[Top Bunk Tester]

Beags

Val Kilmer has recently admitted (after years of denial) to suffering from mouth/throat cancer so may not be available.

[FakePilot]

Beags

Val Kilmer has recently admitted (after years of denial) to suffering from mouth/throat cancer so may not be available.

Just give him some psychological condition to wear his mask ALL the time.

[sharpend]

I declined the offer of a staring role

[BEagle]

Which meant, bluntie mon brave, that mercifully we were spared the sight of you in the altogether in those tedious locker room scenes...:eek:

If Val Kilmer is too ill to appear, perhaps Kevin Bacon might be an alternative as they're pretty much the same age?

But as for Meg Ryan and Kelly Mcgillis, I think it'd be better just to leave us with memories of how they were those 30 years ago.

But I'd cast my local Hollywood star https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gugu_Mbatha-Raw as the daughter of the original Top Gun's 'Sundown' in an aircrew role. I was talking to her recently about her forthcoming sci-fi movie 'God Particle' due out at the end of the year; she plays an astronaut so already has some experience of 'aircrew' life!

[Speedywheels]

I declined the offer of a staring role

I see what you did there

[Not_a_boffin]

Sadly, the real stars of the film are no longer available...


http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/55cb516d2acae7cc3f8bd020-1190-625/17-photos-that-show-why-the-f-14-tomcat-is-one-of-the-greatest-fighter-jets-of-all-time.jpg

[West Coast]

Sure they are, you just have to film in Iran. That'll take care of any Kelly in short dress shots, assuming nature hasn't seen to that already.

[Just a spotter]

Can't wait for the trailer

UxFq16IG_k0

"Hell Yeah!"

:ok:

JAS

[charliegolf]

Kelly McGillis was a suspension of disbelief case in the 80s- you boys have low standards.

CG

[Lima Juliet]

I wonder whether Val Kilmer will also be available for TG2?

Yup, and they could rename the movie TOPGUT!

http://hollywoodmeasurements.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/val-kilmer-height-weight.jpg

No more volleyball homoeroticism for you Val...:cool:

[DirtyProp]

Sadly, the real stars of the film are no longer available...


Slight thread drift: I read somewhere (forgot where, sorry) that the bird maintenance-wise was an absolute nightmare: on average for every flight hour it needed 40 hours of fixing, and it wasn't exactly an easy job either.
Can anyone shed some light?

[RAFEngO74to09]

Filming the Tower flyby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf_bCOoXK24


Subsequent "No Hats - No Coffee" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS9j_-mqSWc

[reynoldsno1]

Well, looking on the bright side, it can't possibly be worse than the first movie ...

[Cazalet33]

Sadly, the real stars of the film are no longer available...

30 of 'em are still flying on active service.

Not widely available for filming of course. Not without the US being really really nice to Iran!

[tartare]

Now, now - TG was so bad it went out the other side of bad and became legendary...!
Kinda like ACDC - who are so bogan they are transcendant.
Hard to top that.
So... if Tomcat drivers listened to Kenny frikkin Loggins... I wonder what they'll use as the soundtrack for millennial F-35 jocks?
The Dicemen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90th_Fighter_Squadron) who showed off the F-22 at Avalon fooled around to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMlKmELIhgY)
It worked kinda well...

[ORAC]

The Times:

Tom Cruise in Top Gun sequel after 30 years

When it came to planning a sequel to Top Gun, Tom Cruise never felt the need for speed. Ever since the 1986 film turned him from a hot Hollywood property into a global megastar, rumours of a follow-up have surfaced — only to be shot down like a MiG-28 that picked on the wrong US fighter pilot.

Cruise, 54, finally confirmed yesterday that Top Gun 2 is on the way. He has not lost that loving feeling after all. “It is definitely happening,” he told Australian TV, while promoting his latest film, The Mummy. “It’s true, it’s true,” he said. “I’m going to start filming it, probably in the next year. I know. It’s happening. It is definitely happening. You’re the first people I’ve said this to.”.............

[tartare]

Filming the Tower flyby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf_bCOoXK24


Subsequent "No Hats - No Coffee" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS9j_-mqSWc

Could someone qualify for this civvy the "bollocking from the staish or higher up" scenario - I get the the "no coffee" bit, but I thought anything serious was "hats on" - at least for the bollockee rather than the bollocker?
That said - appreciate the cousins do many things differently...

[Tashengurt]

Never saw the Kelly McGillis attraction myself and at 17 when the original came out I fancied just about anything in a skirt.

[SpazSinbad]

KELLY SAYS "What Now"? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/55/7b/66/557b66d47a13876d3ef20763227ef5ec.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/55/7b/66/557b66d47a13876d3ef20763227ef5ec.jpg

[ORAC]

Never saw the Kelly McGillis attraction myself

The feelings mutual (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1175410/Im-lesbian-declares-Top-Gun-siren-Kelly-McGillis.html)........

[Kerosene Kraut]

This is the Grumman movie that inspired them to do Top Gun due to the cinema-style camera pods that had become available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97BY8y7OAuA
Still better than the movie afterwards.

[tartare]

Jeez - those parallel cat shots are a sight to behold.

[cattletruck]

Yup, and they could rename the movie TOPGUT!

His TOPGUT can now be "fixed in post" along with a whole barrel list of other casting inadequacies.

Sadly, the real stars of the film are no longer available...

Yes they are...but it aint what you think.

People easily forget Hollywood only cares about making a buck, and sometimes they accidentally get it wrong and make something good.

I hate CGI, and I bet the remake would be full of it - CGI that is.

This is a shame because the F22 is real nice looking up close. +1 for the Dicemen too.

[Kerosene Kraut]

Using their Tomcat the Iranians did their own version of Top Gun already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOKQwz5i7nA

[VinRouge]

Will the plot line invoke a load of post-pension point US Navy Fast Jet mates monking on about getting paid what they are worth, too much triv, how much the FRI is worth and whether they are posted to Staff or Predator?

[NickB]

Slight thread drift: I read somewhere (forgot where, sorry) that the bird maintenance-wise was an absolute nightmare: on average for every flight hour it needed 40 hours of fixing, and it wasn't exactly an easy job either.
Can anyone shed some light?

Are you referring to McGillis? :E

[Martin the Martian]

Thanks, NickB. I now have coffee all over my keyboard.:ok:

[gr4techie]

Top Gun became so popular back then that the USN re-introduced leather flight jackets afterwards. This time it might be a gold coloured "Maverick"-drone controller or similar?

I read somewhere that TopGun was the best thing that ever happened for US Navy recruitment. When the film was in the cinema, recruitment applications went through the roof.

on average for every flight hour it needed 40 hours of fixing, and it wasn't exactly an easy job either.
Sounds just like any other old jet, I wonder if their difficulties were getting spares too? It wouldn't surprise me if ours were close to that flying hour to maintenance man-hours ratio.

But I could imagine having a see-off snag on a busy carrier flight deck would be undesirable when the unserviceable aircraft is blocking every other aircraft movement?

[West Coast]

Sharkie Ward cameo appearance just announced!

That'll add a missing flair to the movie.

[EricsLad]

Groucho Marx - hosting a TV quiz show in the 1950s.

Blokey wins $10000 .

Blokey says that he is going to write a book.

"Goose" gets more flights than the others so as to film repeated "doing the Linda Blair".

Groucho Marx - to - the making of Top Gun - not bad.

[IcePaq]

The young hotshot pilots at tailhook don't drink anymore...............but you will find a few mig killers possibly saying "you pansies would piss your pants if a mig got your six" after some drinks.

Guys at tailhook are true professionals and most of the bravado is gone.

[DirtyProp]

I read somewhere that TopGun was the best thing that ever happened for US Navy recruitment. When the film was in the cinema, recruitment applications went through the roof.

Same in Italy. It was the best advertising ever.

Sounds just like any other old jet, I wonder if their difficulties were getting spares too? It wouldn't surprise me if ours were close to that flying hour to maintenance man-hours ratio.



Found the article:

You Thought Cooking Your Turkey Was Tough? Try Maintaining An F-14!
deadspin-quote-carrot-aligned-w-bgr-2 (http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/you-thought-cooking-your-turkey-was-tough-try-maintain-1664041009)

[tartare]

That is very interesting.

[T28B]

The young hotshot pilots at tailhook don't drink anymore...............but you will find a few mig killers possibly saying "you pansies would piss your pants if a mig got your six" after some drinks.

Guys at tailhook are true professionals and most of the bravado is gone. Hadn't Top Gun (Navy Fighter Weapons School) moved from NAS Miramar to NAS Fallon some years ago?

[West Coast]

Prior to the transition from NAS to MCAS Miramar they moved.

[unmanned_droid]

This is the Grumman movie that inspired them to do Top Gun due to the cinema-style camera pods that had become available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97BY8y7OAuA
Still better than the movie afterwards.


Thanks, I enjoyed watching this.

Here's another Good Grumman video:

Air Combat Manoeuvring (https://youtu.be/7RaMp2r7eWI)


I had never heard the A-4 referred to as a Mongoose before watching the above.

[SpazSinbad]

"The Mongoose A-4 had the P-408 engine [11,200 lbf thrust] installed, no avionics hump, as much hardware removed as possible to lighten the aircraft, the slats wired permanently up; and was an amazing performer with a greater than 1:1 thrust to weight ratio.” http://navalaviationnews.navylive.dodlive.mil/files/2016/10/25@A-4-vs-F-14_WEB.jpg

10 page PDF attached with info/photos of 'MONGOOSE' & 'Super Fox' Adversary USN A-4 Skyhawk aircraft.
“A VFC-12 A-4 and VF-101 F-14 square off during a training flight in June 1989. The reserve squadron based at NAS Oceana provides adversary services for many Navy squadrons, while VF-101 was the fleet replacement squadron (FRS) for Atlantic Fleet Tomcat squadrons. (Photo by Peter B. Mersky)”

http://navalaviationnews.navylive.dodlive.mil/files/2016/10/25@A-4-vs-F-14_WEB.jpg

[WhatsaLizad?]

I read somewhere that TopGun was the best thing that ever happened for US Navy recruitment. When the film was in the cinema, recruitment applications went through the roof.



I can attest to the above comment. Before TopGun was released, I routinely ran across US Navy recruiters flying the T-34 sharing the ramp with us as they traveled the US while I was flying right seat for Learjet charter outfits. I was in my senior year at a US College at the time and casually conversed with them about requirements and timelines to training. My lame 2.5 GPA as a Business Marketing Major seemed good enough to get me a slot in Pensacola.


Before graduating with my Degree a short time later, TopGun was released. After that, things changed. At the same time I had the feeling regarding my flying job, which could be described as a feeling like, "Is this all there is?"


The next time I ran into a Navy recruiter, he told me it was too late. Their average guy was a Electrical Engineering Major with a 3.9+ GPA.


Oh well. All those guys are very junior to me at my airline.:E

[BEagle]

Oh well. All those guys are very junior to me at my airline.


But they haven't had 25 years of flying cargo planes full of rubber dog $hit out of Hong Kong!

[Captain Dart]

I've done that! I'm not beneath hauling plastic vomit as well.

[SpazSinbad]

That's 314 pounds [with no ammo] of jammin' nightmare. Usually 75 rounds per gun carried instead of 100 was part of the jammy solution.

[SpazSinbad]

Watch: Top Gun: 31 Years Later – Buzzing the Tower & Tom Cruise About Getting Sick in the F-14 26 May 2017

https://fightersweep.com/7897/watch-top-gun-31-years-later-buzzing-tower-tom-cruise-getting-sick-f-14/

[unmanned_droid]

SpazSinbad and OK465, thanks for the extra info, I consider myself educated!

I bet the Mongoose was fun to fly, even if you couldn't actually fight with it like that.

[SpazSinbad]

Page 7 of the 10 page PDF attached overleaf makes it clear:
“...The Blues/Mongoose Skyhawks really were like rockets. When you jam accelerated for take off there was a noticeable push back into the seat and the post take off gear up, flaps up had to happen as fast as you read this, so as to not over speed the landing gear or flaps. If you had been cleared for an unrestricted climb you could leave the throttle at take off power; but you had to move the stick aft to the stop initially and establish a rate of climb above what the VSI could display to stay below the 250 knots below 10,000 feet limit. And you watched the air station rapidly shrink in your mirrors. If you had not been cleared for an unrestricted climb, then you retarded the throttle to 85%.

An Adversary A-4E with a mini bubble [I think this means a small 1,000 pound drop tank on centreline] could do an Immelman on take off with ease. These jets were a really good simulation of a Mig 17, but they were more maneuverable than that Mig model. Needless to say, flying these Skyhawks was always a lot of fun, but then flying any Skyhawk was always a treat for me....” Gary “Zoo” Rezeau

[Pontius Navigator]

Unmanned, better informed, not educated. :)

[chopper2004]

Here it is ....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NwIBkmgz6uA

[Meester proach]

I hope most of the flying is real and not CGI - ed to death.

[tartare]

Well - that cat shot didn't look like CG...
Maybe the little guy overcame his fast jet airsickness.
He's done a lot of flying both fixed and rotary of all sorts of types since the original film
The low level wide angle shot looking back at him with the package of jets surrounding him was a bit too perfect.
It'd have to be CG if he's flying a single seat Hornet.
But the rest?
Looked like real jets to me.
There was one brief shot where he seemed to be wearing a full pressure suit helmet, or am I wrong?
And not an F-35 to be seen, unless I missed them.
Personally - looks grittier and darker as opposed to the original cheese.
Hoooaaahh - can't frikkin' wait.

[OK465]

Notice the P-51 at 1:30 in the trailer. That's more than likely Cruise's P-51.....which he owns and flys himself. I'd cut him some slack. He also did his own Aerostar flying in "American Made".

Anybody else here own a P-51?

[tartare]

Notice the P-51 at 1:30 in the trailer. That's more than likely Cruise's P-51.....which he owns and flys himself. I'd cut him some slack. He also did his own Aerostar flying in "American Made".

Anybody else here own a P-51?

No disrespect intended.
Also did some pretty tricky flying for a low time pilot in an AS350 in Queenstown for the Mi6 chopper chase scene.
See the descending corkscrew turn here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um0aZKbpe1Y
And by all accounts, a very humble chap in person.

[Ascend Charlie]

Well, in a brush with fame, I gave Tom one of his first flying lessons in a helicopter. He did ok for a fixed-wing driver, it was only when the speed got below 30kt that he started to have troubles. But for a first go, he did pretty well. And agreed, a very likeable fella, happy to have selfies.

[tartare]

Bit of John Boyd to the storyline too.
"You should have been a two-star admiral by now, but here you are - Captain. Why is that?"
Nice.

[The Sultan]

Cruise at Comic-con: no CGI.

[heights good]

Well, looking on the bright side, it can't possibly be worse than the first movie ...

shut your whore mouth!!!!! := :p

[Maxibon]

Just a whole new bunch of pilots: "Zimmer", "Alzhi", "Warfarin" and "Dribble". I feel the need, the need to pee again; once before briefing, another before out brief, last one before walking , and oh whoops.....

[Treble one]

Was that a shot of the Mighty F-14 right at the end of the trailer-or am I just hoping for too much?

PS the shots of TC in the F-18 clearly look like he's in the rear seat of a 2 seater?

[tartare]

Yes - that's cos Goose's son is up the pointy end flyin' the thing!
Nice that they shot him off the front of a carrier for real though.

[Davef68]

Was that a shot of the Mighty F-14 right at the end of the trailer-or am I just hoping for too much?



yes, the F14 is in the movie

[Tashengurt]

Now who's still flying F14s? 🤔

[ORAC]

Just reuse footage or take-outs from the first movie.

[tartare]

Now who's still flying F14s? 🤔

A certain middle Eastern republic whom the Yoonyeted Staytes ain't too happy with at the moment I think...?
Or are their ones all broken now...?

[Whenurhappy]

Tom Cruise confirms there will be a Top Gun 2 (http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/tom-cruise-confirms-there-will-be-a-top-gun-2-20170523-gwbplp.html)
Gutsiest move I ever saw.


Please don't bring Kelly back.
but her presence would tick most Diversity and Inclusion boxes...

[Percy Cute]

Isn't that the cast from Space Cowboys?

[retoocs]

Notice the P-51 at 1:30 in the trailer. That's more than likely Cruise's P-51.....which he owns and flys himself. I'd cut him some slack. He also did his own Aerostar flying in "American Made".

Anybody else here own a P-51?

Yes, that is Cruise's own plane. We use the same DAR that put it into experimental. Same guy did the Astar for Mission Impossible.

[dead_pan]

Cruise at Comic-con: no CGI.

Well that promise fell at the first hurdle

[BirdmanBerry]

One of the pilots for the film is a school friend's husband. He did some of the flying for TC. They can't tell me anymore or show photos until the film is out! He's an F18 pilot.

[Davef68]

They dragged one out of a museum onto a carrier for the movie

[BEagle]

It certainly looks like a movie worth watching! Provided, that is, it isn't infested with low quality CGI...

No doubt it won't do USN recruiting any harm either - which isn't a bad thing!

[Lima Juliet]

A certain middle Eastern republic whom the Yoonyeted Staytes ain't too happy with at the moment I think...?
Or are their ones all broken now...?

The Iranians have about 2 dozen serviceable - here is one at an Airshow in 2018:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/748x420/image_862ceeb8581ec100d289040e215caefc6a9fce5a.jpeg

[weemonkey]

The Iranians have about 2 dozen serviceable - here is one at an Airshow in 2018:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/748x420/image_862ceeb8581ec100d289040e215caefc6a9fce5a.jpeg


What was that about flying bricks?

[Asturias56]

"Still, it'll be way better than Top Gun 3"

that'll be the one where he has a gorgeous 22 year old female sidekick and a singing meercat no?

[Tashengurt]

Sorry but the scene of the Hornet climbing towards the camera after the pull-up is CGI. So is the Tomcat at the end. All CGI.

The Tomcat isn't real??? Could've put a spoiler alert on first!

[dead_pan]

The cat-shot, formation scene, desert low flying, pull-up (viewed from the ground), ridgeline crossing, riverbed scene

Yes, can't tell, possibly some of it, definitely not, and are you kidding me?

[westhawk]

A certain middle Eastern republic whom the Yoonyeted Staytes ain't too happy with at the moment I think...?
Or are their ones all broken now...?

Doesn't seem like the Yoonited Kingdum are all that happy with them either! Unless having one's ships captured is cause for celebration...

I wouldn't expect much from Iran's Tomcats, but they do seem to have a few other weapons at their disposal.

[josephfeatherweight]

The enemy is the N. Koreans (again) who never forgot the caning in the first movie and want somebody's butt.
Not sure if you’re TIC, but you might want to watch the first one again...

[AR1]

Sadly Kelly is now so large her mass affects the tides. So we'll the old fellas and some new younger actresses.
The Hollywood way.

[The...Bird]

This is going to do wonders for RAF Pilot applicant numbers, oh wait, only 20 are being selected a year now...

[Mil-26Man]

The enemy is the N. Koreans (again) who never forgot the caning in the first movie...

What were the North Koreans doing in the Indian Ocean, in the first movie?

[GlobalNav]

Sadly Kelly is now so large her mass affects the tides. So we'll the old fellas and some new younger actresses.
The Hollywood way.
Well, my own mass has more effect on the tides, too, than it did when TG1 came out, She was fine enough to look at back then. Better than I, for sure, but then I wasn’t in the cast. Thank goodness.

[diginagain]

I still feel it'll have to go a long way to beat Hot Shots! Part Deux.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teFQtBXxXnQ

[Bazzo]

I like the way he dropped down a gear before pulling up off the desert floor.

[havoc]

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1136x566/image_9654a308a16ed914e29a9681a2e8eb32e971104c.png

https://www.businessinsider.com/top-guns-maverick-appears-changed-to-please-chinas-communist-party-2019-7
The sequel to "Top Gun," a film that boosted US Navy aviation recruitment by 500%, appears to have bowed to China's powerful Communist party by changing the jacket of its titular character, Maverick, played by Tom Cruise.

In the trailer for "Top Gun: Maverick," which came out on Thursday, Tom Cruise's character can be seen wearing his signature leather jacket, but something isn't the same anymore.

An eagle-eyed Twitter user pointed out that Maverick, whose entire character and name suggest a fierce independence, now wears a jacket that appears changed to appease China, the US's current chief military adversary.

[Mil-26Man]

Preparing to attack the SS Layton?? Dunno. But that's who "they" seem to think it was. Who was the enemy... (https://taskandpurpose.com/top-gun-enemy-aircraft)


****************SPOILERS BELOW********************






















Looks like the Tomcat is not IRIAF but may be pretending to be. They got it from the NNAM and were allowed to paint it and have it rewired to allow powering up of the cockpit and lighting. Apparently it was hoisted onto a CVN for some scenes but it didn't fly. The Tomcat is CGI. Actors underwent flight "physicals" and water and ejection seat training and the flight scenes were then shot in real F models to represent E and F models. Select Hornet scenes are CGI but the rest is real including most of the trailer footage.

"Allow for the internal and external placement of the Production Company’s cameras on F/A-18 E/F Super Hornets and Navy helicopters with the approval of the Naval Air Systems Command [NAVAIR]"

Hmm, not sure that Brad Howard from Task & Purpose is the leading authority (no idea who he is), but ok. Those aren't really spoilers, but common knowledge.

[RAFEngO74to09]

New Trailer out - with many references to the original for those of a certain age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4U4BQW9OEk

[tartare]

Hmm - so he gets to fly the SR-72...?

[Fonsini]

The rocket powered commode in the Shornet has a weight limit of 290 pounds, that isn’t going to get Val up the rails.

I also recall hearing that many naval aviators only get 2 years of actual sea time, how are they going to explain Mav riding catapults for over 30 years as a Captain ?

[Less Hair]

Tarantino joking about TG1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ZF1LXL6OOsM&feature=emb_logo

[dead_pan]

No doubt you've all seen the trailer...

Tom C just posted this on his Twitter feed - excellent behind-the-scenes clips.

https://twitter.com/TomCruise/status/1207284386720292864?s=09

[Vendee]

In addition to the trailer for the new film, there is also a very good "behind the scenes" video which shows how they filmed some of the flying sequences and how all the actors had to fly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHt1IbuYgJo

[Finningley Boy]

KELLY SAYS "What Now"? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/55/7b/66/557b66d47a13876d3ef20763227ef5ec.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/55/7b/66/557b66d47a13876d3ef20763227ef5ec.jpg
I used to love MAD magazine, especially Don Martin's wacky cartoon strips!

[RAFEngO74to09]

You Tube version of the real low flying and extended behind the scenes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz9lnIDdkMo

[tartare]

Woo hoo - a few greyed out, queezy looking actors there - love it. Good on them and props to Cruise.

[MightyGem]

For those on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/TopGunMaverickUK/

[tdracer]

Woo hoo - a few greyed out, queezy looking actors there - love it. Good on them and props to Cruise.

That does look really impressive in those videos. I wonder if there will be good plot to go with it.
The movie "Lemans" is considered by many to be the auto racing equivalent of porn - no plot to speak of but worth watching for the really good auto racing video (some of the best ever filmed).
I wonder if this new Top Gun might be the same thing for fast jets :ok:

[Less Hair]

Funny that this movie doesn't feature the new F-35 but the oldish F-18. The Tomcat was top notch back then.

[AndoniP]

Funny that this movie doesn't feature the new F-35 but the oldish F-18. The Tomcat was top notch back then.

The F-14 was around 12 years old when the first Top Gun film was released.

[Hawk98]

Funny that this movie doesn't feature the new F-35 but the oldish F-18. The Tomcat was top notch back then.

I guess the trouble with the F35 would be as it’s single seat only, any cockpit shots would have to be CGI🤔 I’m sure F18 is also easier to borrow from the USN for filming

[BVRAAM]

"Only man to shoot down three enemy planes in the last 40 years."

Erm... doesn't that title go to Col. Cesar "Rico" Rodriguez? A former A-10 Attack and F-15C Fighter Pilot, two kills on Desert Storm and another on Allied Force.

Just sayin'. :cool:

[sandiego89]

I believe two others just fit within the “last 40 years” timeframe from their exploits down South in 1982, including our poster here Mowgli.

[BVRAAM]

I believe two others just fit within the “last 40 years” timeframe from their exploits down South in 1982, including our poster here Mowgli.

I thought Mowgli only had 2 kills (not counting helicopters)?

He's a legend - I'd love to have a beer with him.

[dead_pan]

Funny that this movie doesn't feature the new F-35 but the oldish F-18. The Tomcat was top notch back then.

I guess it may have had something to do with access, the absence of any 2 seaters for the aerial footage, and maybe looks. The Lightning looks great in planform by side on its an ugly beast.

The movie "Lemans" is considered by many to be the auto racing equivalent of porn

That'll be Le Mans. Lemans was a far inferior movie, only surpassed in awfulness by Cats

[visibility3miles]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epgkqPJ_bc0

The untold truth of Top Gun:
https://www.looper.com/269807/the-untold-truth-of-top-gun/

[Less Hair]

They missed the F-35C and helmet displays? Serious?

[NutLoose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWCc1QHhnbI&feature=emb_rel_end

[fitliker]

The funniest way to watch the original is with the subtitles turned on . One of the pilots I flew with years ago had never seen the movie . He watched it with his husband and they both had a good laugh . It is how Americans do Camp :)

[air pig]

Far better is the Star Wars Top Gun mash up. Just love the marshaller.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkpZU6imHAo

[megan]

One talented individual is Cruise, 25,000 ft HALO jump from C-17, on days off has his own P-51 to flit about in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BnOebsDtAQ

[RVDT]

"Danger Zone : the Making of Top Gun" 2004 is a good watch. Granted Jerry Bruckheimer was the producer but Tony Scott made the movie what it is as director and his take on the whole thing is interesting.

[Ascend Charlie]

Tom also flies his own chopper stunts in the Squirrel.

I had the pleasure of giving him a lesson in a B47 Soloy back in 2003, he did OK for a fixed-wing driver.

[RAFEngO74to09]

New trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giXco2jaZ_4

[melmothtw]

This new trailer shows both an Su-57 and an F-14 in the same shot! Go to 2:08

[tartare]

Iceman is an Admiral - and Maverick still a Captain.
Shades of John Boyd.

[Doors Off]

I thought Top Gun 3 was nearly ready for release, didn’t they start making it after the original release date of Top Gun 2? If they keep releasing all these previews, we will all have seen Top Gun 2 before it’s actual release in Cinemas.

[hoodie]

There has been no 'Top Gun 3' announced.

[Ohrly]

This new trailer shows both an Su-57 and an F-14 in the same shot! Go to 2:08

Must have been on a pilot exchange with Iran.

[Less Hair]

It would be fun to use real iranian air force Tomcats for shooting top gun. Top gun used to be about real air to air filming not computer graphics that never seem to get it right.
This was said to be the original inspiration: https://youtu.be/D0t--Un0wKs

[melmothtw]

The original Top Gun did use some special effects models (they didn't really put a Tomcat in a flat spin, or shoot one down in the dogfight at the end of the film). The CGI I've seen of the latest Top Gun so far appears to be a cut above what you'd usually expect in a movie, and it seems they've used it sparingly (they can't really fly an F-14 against an Su-57, and they can't really shoot down a Super Hornet). Fingers crossed that remains the case when it's actually released,

Interestingly, that Northrop Grumman movie uses the theme music from The Final Countdown, which is arguably the best US Navy carrier aviation movie of them all.

[Doors Off]

There has been no 'Top Gun 3' announced.
NSS, I was being a trite facetious. In plain English, it has taken so long to release Top Gun 2, oh wait it hasn’t been, that they have had enough time to make Top Gun 3. If they keep releasing “previews”, the film will already have been released, before it is released.

[Doors Off]

It would be fun to use real iranian air force Tomcats for shooting top gun. Top gun used to be about real air to air filming not computer graphics that never seem to get it right.
This was said to be the original inspiration: https://youtu.be/D0t--Un0wKs

What a fantastic “old school” video that is. The days when you would scan the TV program for anything aviation related and beg your Father to hire an aviation video.

[melmothtw]

NSS, I was being a trite facetious. In plain English, it has taken so long to release Top Gun 2, oh wait it hasn’t been, that they have had enough time to make Top Gun 3. If they keep releasing “previews”, the film will already have been released, before it is released.

Fun fact, Top Gun 2 was originally meant to be made entirely from the outtakes of Top Gun (the flying scenes at least), but when they came to review the material they found that they had used absolutely everything in the original movie.

[Less Hair]

Top Gun 3 would finally have to feature the F-35. They seem to have missed it this time.

[melmothtw]

Top Gun 3 would finally have to feature the F-35. They seem to have missed it this time.

Then it would all have to be CGI, as no twin seaters. That, or use 'movie set' cockpits as they did in the original Top Gun.

I remember when talk of Top Gun 2 first came out, and the rumour mill was saying it would be about drone operators. Thank god THAT didn't happen!!

[Less Hair]

Hopefully TG3 won't be about sustainable aviation with electric fighters dogfighting.

[gums]

Salute!

Maybe it will have renewable aviation fuel?
That way, every time a jet fired up the shelter would make you think you were entering a Burger King!
Gums wonders....

[Cannylad]

Beagle. I see your posts and seem to think that we moved in the same part of the world at the same time. Were you on IX Squadron at some time?

[BEagle]

BEagle. I see your posts and seem to think that we moved in the same part of the world at the same time. Were you on IX Squadron at some time?

No chum. In my Vulcan days, I served on 35 Sqn - I was never on IX Sqn.

[tartare]

Hopefully TG3 won't be about sustainable aviation with electric fighters dogfighting.

Well, there's still the NGAD to show up in time for TG3.
Will be a bit of a struggle though to wring out a plotline on the relationship between a (by that time) very elderly pilot and his loyal wingman.
And it'll all take place well beyond visual range, so no turning and burning...

[Less Hair]

Given the time it takes them to release the sequels then Air Marshall Iceman will call up some white haired Maverick to ride the "brand new" F-35 against some Klingon invasion or similar.

[chopper2004]

The original Top Gun did use some special effects models (they didn't really put a Tomcat in a flat spin, or shoot one down in the dogfight at the end of the film). The CGI I've seen of the latest Top Gun so far appears to be a cut above what you'd usually expect in a movie, and it seems they've used it sparingly (they can't really fly an F-14 against an Su-57, and they can't really shoot down a Super Hornet). Fingers crossed that remains the case when it's actually released,

Interestingly, that Northrop Grumman movie uses the theme music from The Final Countdown, which is arguably the best US Navy carrier aviation movie of them all.

since coming into the early /80s, the Fc coulda done with some rock music in the score.

cheers

[tdracer]

Review of "Top Gun: Maverick".
Short version - they liked it.
'Top Gun: Maverick' - No Woke, Just Thrills and Nostalgia on Steroids - Hollywood in Toto (https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/top-gun-maverick-no-woke-just-thrills-and-nostalgia-on-steroids/)

[BBadanov]

Thanks for this tdr.
I will be queuing up at a cinema near me on the 27th.

[Doors Off]

Thanks for this tdr.
I will be queuing up at a cinema near me on the 27th.
Don’t forget, no Volleyball until you are in the Showers!

[tartare]

Thanks for this tdr.
I will be queuing up at a cinema near me on the 27th.

Indeed.
Am finding the biggest screen and bucket of popcorn possible.

[Less Hair]

I might have a look myself. It's crazy that they feature the F/A-18 and not the F-35.

[dead_pan]

It's crazy that they feature the F/A-18 and not the F-35.

Cruise is very careful about his films 'aesthetics', hence why a certain actor wasn't invited back for this film....

I mean, the F35 looks great in planform, but only its mother would love its looks side-on.

[melmothtw]

I might have a look myself. It's crazy that they feature the F/A-18 and not the F-35.

You can't film the the actors flying in a single-seat F-35.

[Less Hair]

This is where Hollywood comes into play. With helmet, visor and oxygen mask nobody will know who is at the controls anyway.

[tdracer]

I mean, the F35 looks great in planform, but only its mother would love its looks side-on.

Yea, I've always thought the F-35 looks like it's pregnant.
Besides, I suspect the US Navy wouldn't have provided the same level of access and cooperation with F-35s that they apparently did with the F-18s.

[B Fraser]

I remember the late and much missed John Farley making a comment about the F-35. Forgive the inevitable inaccuracies but the following is not too inaccurate .

"I showed my secretary a photo of the F-35 from the rear with the nozzle in the vertical position"

she replied.....

"It looks like a machine for emptying the drains".

[Less Hair]

The way it looks it will be a success. TG3 can't be far out afterwards.
Hard to find future scenarios that won't offend the Chinese film company. Maybe they could use Iranian F-14 somehow?

[Buster15]

I remember the late and much missed John Farley making a comment about the F-35. Forgive the inevitable inaccuracies but the following is not too inaccurate .

"I showed my secretary a photo of the F-35 from the rear with the nozzle in the vertical position"

she replied.....

"It looks like a machine for emptying the drains".

That is one of the funniest things I have read for ages.
In fact it is funny because it is true. But at least it is not anything like as ugly as the Boeing rival design which made the F35 look positively handsome.

[GlobalNav]

That is one of the funniest things I have read for ages.
In fact it is funny because it is true. But at least it is not anything like as ugly as the Boeing rival design which made the F35 look positively handsome.

As I recall, the Boeing design had a striking resemblance to the CEO at the time.

[unmanned_droid]

I would like to have been able to watch a remastered Topgun on the big screen before seeing the new one.

[Timelord]

After the “preferably not a white male” unpleasantness, what and who WAS the RAF presence at the premiere? I thought I saw a plastic Typhoon in the corner of a photo of Carol Vorderman ( just happened across it you know)

[El Grifo]

I would like to have been able to watch a remastered Topgun on the big screen before seeing the new one.

Did just that a few nights back, unmanned although on a big TV rather than a movie screen.
Totally loved the movie 35 or so years ago, but sadly, it has not aged well.
The character played by Cruise came over as a privileged little tw#t, who continually broke rules and through utter arrogance, got his best buddy killed !
Might be good for the USAF or USMC but I cannot imagine him lasting 5 mins this side of the pond !

Let's hope TG2 paints a better picture !

El G.

[212man]

POP GUN: The Cult Classic TOP GUN Spoof Made by Real F-14 Crews - YouTube

[tdracer]

The character played by Cruise came over as a privileged little tw#t, who continually broke rules and through utter arrogance, got his best buddy killed !
Might be good for the USAF or USMC but I cannot imagine him lasting 5 mins this side of the pond !

For some reason, film makers (at least those on this side of the pond) have an affinity for that type of pilot, even if it's not true or particularly appropriate for the character. They did the same thing with the hero pilot in the recent "Midway" remake (Capt. Best?). I'm fairly well read on the Battle of Midway (and recently read "Never Call Me a Hero" autobiography of Dusty Kleiss" and never seen any mention of any "Hot Dog" pilots. Pure Hollywood...

[Asturias56]

Fighting authority appeals to all those kids who don't want to obey any rules - it all comes good in the last reel - (not necessarily in real life tho')

[rugmuncher]

Did just that a few nights back, unmanned although on a big TV rather than a movie screen.
The character played by Cruise came over as a privileged little tw#t, who continually broke rules and through utter arrogance, got his best buddy killed !

El G.


Mavericks arrogance played a part but Icemans greater arroagance instigated this tragic chain of events as he should have disengaged earlier.


Lt Pete Mitchell was cleared by the board of enquiry, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEJa3YmfZas

[olster]

Great film in its day, beautiful photography of the F14s etc. Cheesy and dated plot and dialogue now though.

[El Grifo]

This works 🤪

https://youtu.be/v1iZtBM23bY

El Grifo

[Less Hair]

Sort of the original and still the best: Air Power at Sea.

Air Power at Sea

[John Eacott]

Just home from watching at our local cinema: brilliant film, thoroughly recommended. Flying, cinematography, soundtrack all first rate, and even the characters emulate those in the original. Close enough but different, I'll be sure to go and see it again :ok:

[Gnadenburg]

Absurd movie. If this is Tom Cruise’s love-letter to aviation, well, his perspective is deluded. The movie could have been improved with a more detailed bedroom scene- cause watching old people fornicate more interesting than the rest of the movie.

[Burnt Fishtrousers]

So Top Gun was filmed in 86 ..presumably Maverick would have had a fairly well established flying career before being selected to go to Miramar...so lets say hes 30 years old in 86. If you roll on 30 years implying TG2 is set in 2016 he would be 60 years old ....are there really any 60 year old front line instructors out there? if it was set in present time hed be 66..fanciful stuff me thinks...hed likely as not be some staffer close to retirement flying a desk or retiring from an airline career - i havent seen the film so my observations might be answered

[gsa]

Just home from watching at our local cinema: brilliant film, thoroughly recommended. Flying, cinematography, soundtrack all first rate, and even the characters emulate those in the original. Close enough but different, I'll be sure to go and see it again :ok:

I’ve just seen it as well, the flying and film work I thought was good. Just need to find an IMAX to watch it again in 👍.

[OttoRotate]

Maverick follows much of the fit, form, and function of the original. It opens with the same black-screen text introducing the ACM school, then cuts to carrier activity with Danger Zone blasting, perfectly setting the tone.

Captivating aerial demonstrations
A plot with barely a toe-hold in reality
A romantic angle shoe-horned in the middle
shirtless sports scene for the ladies

Here is a photo of the poster and pin we got as SWAG on the way out of the theater: https://imgur.com/a/nJrsZo5

Also, the 150-minute documentary covering the making of the original was uploaded to YT earlier this month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0bTDfi_vjA

[Less Hair]

It would be fun to get that crippled flags patch as a souvenir.

[Finningley Boy]

So Top Gun was filmed in 86 ..presumably Maverick would have had a fairly well established flying career before being selected to go to Miramar...so lets say hes 30 years old in 86. If you roll on 30 years implying TG2 is set in 2016 he would be 60 years old ....are there really any 60 year old front line instructors out there? if it was set in present time hed be 66..fanciful stuff me thinks...hed likely as not be some staffer close to retirement flying a desk or retiring from an airline career - i havent seen the film so my observations might be answered

Mr Cruise was actually only 23 to 24 when he made the original. He's 59 now. At best he'd be amidst his first tour on F-14s possibly.

FB

[Big Pistons Forever]

RAAF Fast Jet Instructor Squadron Leader Philip Frawley retired from 76 Squadron at age 66. There was also an Israeli F16 Instructor who was active to age 60. Name not published for obvious reasons.

[Cat Techie]

Mr Cruise was actually only 23 to 24 when he made the original. He's 59 now. At best he'd be amidst his first tour on F-14s possibly.

FB
Two pilots I know were combat ready and flying in GW1 as the youngest Jag Mate and the other was the youngest allied pilot full stop. Same age as Cruise was in Top Gun. Baggers was 55 years old in GW1 as well and Sqn flying. Looked way older than Cruise does and Tom is older. So almost technically possible to see in real life.

[BBadanov]

Just saw TG2. Fantastic. As said by Otto, it is F3 of the original.
No spoilers here, but I did close my eyes for the bedroom scene, and loved the expletive as the enemy Gen5 fighter pirouetted in front of him.
He is looking good for 59, so don't discard the idea of a TG3.

[Buster Hyman]

Good film. Actual story & probably the best acting I've seen TC do.

[Bob Viking]

I’m going to see it in a couple of hours. I’m like a kid on Christmas Eve. I’m so excited it’s ridiculous! We’re doing the full IMAX, 4D experience.

I’ll report back tomorrow.

BV

[212man]

It’s certainly getting good reviews from the US ex-FJ YouTube vloggers ( C.W. Lemoine et al). Seeing it tomorrow….

[Timelord]

Good article / review by John Nichol in today’s Times.

[India Four Two]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-true-to-life-is-top-gun-maverick-nwn2rgj3x

[BEagle]

Sorry - Murdoch paywall is denying access......

[POBJOY]

Great entertainment plus the P51 bit which fitted in well

[Bob Viking]

Saw the movie last night.

It was cheesy, corny, far-fetched, unrealistic and the most American movie I have ever seen.

I loved every second of it.

It is exactly what true TG fans would have wanted and anyone who had either not seen the original or is not a TG geek should love it in equal measure.

For me it also had the personal connection in that I first saw TG as 12 year old (on a dodgy VHS copy!) and decided then and there that I wanted to be a fighter pilot.

33 years later, after 4000 hours flying her Majesty’s RR Adour equipped wonder machines I finally see the sequel just as I am about to hang up my spurs and move on to pastures new.

Serendipity as my wife put it.

BV

[teeonefixer]

Plot - implausible, characters - dodgy, aeroplanes - wonderful!! I especially love the Carrier scenes. Great entertainment and some nice touches linking it back to the original film.

[NutLoose]

That’s it tell everyone the story line who haven’t seen it.. :ugh:

[Darkmouse]

I must say.....I thought it was terrible. For me there is only one Top Gun film.

Iron Eagle levels of bollocks without the charm. The only good bit was the ever lovely Jennifer Connelly.

[ORAC]

The Air Force Strikes Back….

Timing a coincidence? I think not….

https://youtu.be/LbNP0FUItjI

[megan]

Saw the movie yesterday, only piece I enjoyed was the flight deck ballet. The first one was the opening scene of the F-14 launch with its evocative music. I'm afraid I need to grow up, the the flight deck ballet grabs me every time where ever it's to be seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUsFWO08CO0

[[email protected]]

Saw it last night - some American schmaltzy cobblers in there but the flying was awesome.

Tom Cruise can only play Tom Cruise - no actual acting required but it doesn't matter.

It's just entertainment not real life so enjoy the ride.

[Less Hair]

It felt more like Osirak 2 not Top Gun 2.

[Treble one]

They've done an incredible job with the on-board cameras. You can really see the G's being pulled looking at the actors. Absolutely makes the film IMHO.

[dead_pan]

Great film, with some nice nods to the first outing. Also, some pretty groundbreaking CGI - we can discuss when everyone's seen it...

[Bob Viking]

You’re right about the CGI. It made me do some serious head scratching and googling!

BV

[dead_pan]

BV - yup, it had me bedazzled, even more so than the in-cockpit footage everyone is raving about. Hollywood have no excuses now when it comes to air combat scenes - none of this Redtails Star Wars-esque rubbish.

[NineEighteen]

I found the cockpit shots a little distracting. I think just because it's so obvious that the actors are along for the ride, rather than in control of a jet. It lacks the charm of the original film though and for me, some of the aerial footage was in the style of a video game rather than catching the essence of flying.

I did like the film though. Good fun and quite a few laughs. I'd like to watch it again in IMAX....and without subtitles, which the viewing I attended seemed to have. Oops.

0918

[NutLoose]

Great film, with some nice nods to the first outing. Also, some pretty groundbreaking CGI - we can discuss when everyone's seen it...

Did you watch the Tom Cruise Interview on TV re the making last night, It was very good, the roof lifting scene when he does a low pass over the building in the advertising clip actually did lift, he had told them to make sure everything was firmly nailed down etc and they had assured him they had, but the roof wasn't as nailed down as they thought.
The background on the interview set was a couple of RAF low height ground equipment mobile pan work lights lol, nice to see someone found a use for them.

[Darkmouse]

It lacks the charm of the original film though and for me, some of the aerial footage was in the style of a video game rather than catching the essence of flying.



Entirely agree. It misses the flying magic of the original. On top of that, contrary to some of the posters here, I didn't think much of the CGI - it was very Red Tails esque.

There is a French film called, "Les Chevaliers du Ciel", which does a much better job of aerial filming.

https://youtu.be/HEe3xfWfkG8

[VictorGolf]

Probably a daft question but is the canopy missing at about 2:30? If so why?

[Darkmouse]

Probably a daft question but is the canopy missing at about 2:30? If so why?

Yes. I can't remember, been years since I watched it. Probably fed up with his nav giving him duff gen and **** chat.

[Davef68]

Probably a daft question but is the canopy missing at about 2:30? If so why?

Yes, but remember it's a movie

https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/545317-les-chevaliers-du-ciel.html

[cooperplace]

As a private pilot flying a bug-smasher that's lucky to top 95 knots, I know zip about military aviation. But when I see Hollywood movie pilots like Tom Cruise unclipping their oxygen mask so they can speak, that seems like BS. Am I right?
Thanks.
And BTW, respect with a capital R for the folks who flyer military aircraft, you're tougher than me.

[Jhieminga]

If the cockpit altitude is at a safe level, unclipping the mask is certainly possible and more comfortable. That's just the theoretical view though.

[Less Hair]

Actors need to show their face when acting. This is why oxygen masks are not worn in most movies.

[Bob Viking]

I regularly remove my mask below 10000’ cabin altitude for comfort during low workload moments. I always keep it on at low level for face protection in case of a bird strike and for take off and landing in case I need to take control.

You wouldn’t take the mask off to talk. Quite the opposite in fact. You need it on to talk into the microphone. Fast jet cockpits are often bloody noisy and trying to talk with your mask off would be unintelligible even if the microphone could even register your voice.

You will also notice in the movie that they always use clear visors (except the faceless bad guys) to show us their handsome/pretty faces. The only time I use a clear visor is at night or on an exceptionally dark, cloudy day. Opinions vary on visor use but the dark visor has seen me safely through 4000 hours of flying jets so I’ll stick with it.

BV

[ShyTorque]

Leaving the mask on is very useful when you want to say something that sounds like “A gottle of geer”.

;)

[longer ron]

As BV posted - I did do a fair bit of backseating whilst groundcrew and would never have gone flying without mask and visor in place,much safer if you get a birdstrike/canopy or seal failure/or have to eject (both for the actual ejection and protection against MDC/canopy shard 'splatter').

[mikegss]

And speaking as a long-time passenger of oil-field helicopters I can say it's perfectly simple to have a normal conversation between yourselves with no ear defenders necessary at all (copyright all movies) ;)

[Cedrik]

It was rumored the loss of an F18 quite a few years ago in Australia's North was due to the pilot taking off his mask

[Dominator2]

Many years ago when Top Gun was made it was quite normal in the US Navy for Fast Jet pilots and RIOs to fly with their mask down a lot of the time.

Apparently their Regulators put them on 100% Oxygen and it was unpopular as it dried out their throats over a prolonged time. Any Comments?

From my own experience in the USAF, when flying with certain Ex Viet Nam aviators, they had to have the mask hanging down to be able to smoke their cigar.

There were some who had ash trays that attached to the cockpit so the evidence could be easily removed after flight.

[cooperplace]

Thank you, like I said i have the world's most restricted pilot's licence. This is all very interesting and confirms my view of Hollywood. I would have asked my cousin who flew WW2 Typhoons, they were on oxygen from start to finish, CO issues, but alas he moved on to a better place. He mentioned filling a tank with beer and flying with it to occupied France "it didn't taste quite right but by god everyone was pleased to have the beer".

[Wokkafans]

Thank you, like I said i have the world's most restricted pilot's licence. This is all very interesting and confirms my view of Hollywood. I would have asked my cousin who flew WW2 Typhoons, they were on oxygen from start to finish, CO issues, but alas he moved on to a better place. He mentioned filling a tank with beer and flying with it to occupied France "it didn't taste quite right but by god everyone was pleased to have the beer".


There's an article on this here:

https://zythophile.co.uk/2014/06/06/you-wont-believe-this-one-weird-trick-they-used-to-fly-beer-to-the-d-day-troops-in-normandy/#:~:text=The%20tank%20had%20been%20scoured,could%20carry%20e ven%20more%20beer.

[chevvron]

I've only watched trailers on 'JAG' and it's the same there; not only does the mask dangle continually but they act as if they're speaking into it.

[Cat Techie]

As Longeron stated, I have flown in 3 ejection seat armed aircraft flights and the double visor stayed down and mask stayed on all the time as I was a cat B pax, bar one time on my last Jag flight, the dark visor came up for the selfie to prove I was in the seat! I know certain Jag pilots did remove masks for comfort (amazingly one civvy LAE said to me "I thought military combat aircraft were unpressurised?" which I replied that they are, just not to the pressure diff of civil aircraft) at suitable cabin diffs and the odd cool photo, if you were T E with demon gezzer shades on.!

[newt]

In my days on fast jets…..you never flew with your mask down! Only actors do it so you can see their lips moving!

[cooperplace]

There's an article on this here:

https://zythophile.co.uk/2014/06/06/you-wont-believe-this-one-weird-trick-they-used-to-fly-beer-to-the-d-day-troops-in-normandy/#:~:text=The%20tank%20had%20been%20scoured,could%20carry%20e ven%20more%20beer.
thanks, that's terrific. He was in 181 squadron and I gather the beer thing was a fairly widespread practice at the time.

[Timelord]

From my own experience in the USAF, when flying with certain Ex Viet Nam aviators, they had to have the mask hanging down to be able to smoke their cigar.

There were some who had ash trays that attached to the cockpit so the evidence could be easily removed after flight.

100% oxygen and naked flames - what could possibly go wrong!

[Wetstart Dryrun]

100% oxygen and naked flames - what could possibly go wrong!


It ok in a chipmunk.

Hard to roll without an autopilot, though.

[uxb99]

I have read stories of WW1 pilots up to 13'000. WW1 pilots didn't have oxygen. I also believe they suffered illness because of it.
WW2 Bomber Crews would often unclip their masks to eat, drink but clip them back again due to hypoxia.
As others have said British needed their masks to talk but iirc both German and American did not as they used throat mikes.
After a battle, when Bader slid his canopy back his squadron would move away from his aircraft a little. He was about to light a cigarette and they didn't want to be engulfed in the ensuing explosion if he had been hit.
Adolf Galland had an ash tray installed in his cockpit.

[911slf]

This is too good to not have another outing.

Carling Black Label - Dambusters (1989, UK) - YouTube

[longer ron]

I have read stories of WW1 pilots up to 13'000. WW1 pilots didn't have oxygen. I also believe they suffered illness because of it.
.

By 1917/18 RFC/RAF pilots were regularly doing high altitude patrols at 17,000ft up to sometimes 21,000ft (depending on a/c type) - not a healthy occupation without oxy and pressurisation.
I have been up to 11,500ft quite a few times in a glider without oxy with no ill effects but I usually did not stay above 10,000ft very long :)

[uxb99]

By 1917/18 RFC/RAF pilots were regularly doing high altitude patrols at 17,000ft up to sometimes 21,000ft (depending on a/c type) - not a healthy occupation without oxy and pressurisation.
I have been up to 11,500ft quite a few times in a glider without oxy with no ill effects but I usually did not stay above 10,000ft very long :)
I guess you become acclimatised to the altitude a bit like Mountaineers. 21'000 feet is pretty high though.

[POBJOY]

I have read stories of WW1 pilots up to 13'000. WW1 pilots didn't have oxygen. I also believe they suffered illness because of it.
WW2 Bomber Crews would often unclip their masks to eat, drink but clip them back again due to hypoxia.
As others have said British needed their masks to talk but iirc both German and American did not as they used throat mikes.
After a battle, when Bader slid his canopy back his squadron would move away from his aircraft a little. He was about to light a cigarette and they didn't want to be engulfed in the ensuing explosion if he had been hit.
Adolf Galland had an ash tray installed in his cockpit.

I think he actually had a cigar lighter !!!!

[Stitchbitch]

USN use 100% Oxygen from the get go, so they would normally wear the mask from start up. The (possibly) only fast jet pilots that don't wear a mask (during displays) are the Blue Angels who use a boom microphone.
Personally I would always wear one in the aircraft, apart from eating and drinking, as a bird in the face, rapid decompression, canopy failure or canopy jettison/MDC splatter can really ruin your day without one.

[SpazSinbad]

'Stitchbitch' (ex-A4G?) has the good SOP. Here is an oldie but goldie story about 'the best hangover cure EVER!' Pure Oxygen under Pressure.:}
Perils of Pure Oxygen Under Pressure [5 page PDF about LOX and acceleration atelectasis attached [Kiwis solved LOX problemo]
“...Another prominent influence in Paul's AirPac world was a female aviation physiologist at Alameda. He later learned that she was the first female aviation physiologist in the Navy. "A bunch of us were sitting in a briefing room awaiting the lecture on the use of oxygen equipment when this really attractive brunette walked in. We all sort of straightened up and paid attention. The young lady began the lecture by asking, 'How many of you smoke?' Several hands went up. Then, 'How many of you smoke while flying?' Some hands remained raised."
Without a further word, the physiologist strode to a console, inhaled deeply of 100 percent oxygen from a tank and produced a cigarette lighter. "This little gal blew a big breath, flicked the lighter and ignited a streak of flame right over our heads that seemed about six feet long," Paul recalls with a grin. Then she said, "That's why you don't smoke in the cockpit."
"Believe you me – she made her point! I thought, 'Hmmm... she's all right.'...”
‘Where Are They Now? Paul Gillcrist’ by Barrett Tillman http://www.tailhook.org/Gillcrist.htm

[Ascend Charlie]

Wasn't there a story of a pilot with a bushy moustache, which caught fire in his mask as the acft transitioned to 100% oxy - he had been eating a peanut butter sandwich and the oil was still on his mo.

[SpazSinbad]

It was rumored the loss of an F18 quite a few years ago in Australia's North was due to the pilot taking off his mask
30 odd years ago this RAAF Pilot paid a heavy penalty for habitually removing oxy mask in flight. I have other PDFs/Links saying so but this one will do for now.

[finestkind]

I have read stories of WW1 pilots up to 13'000. WW1 pilots didn't have oxygen. I also believe they suffered illness because of it.
WW2 Bomber Crews would often unclip their masks to eat, drink but clip them back again due to hypoxia.
As others have said British needed their masks to talk but iirc both German and American did not as they used throat mikes.
After a battle, when Bader slid his canopy back his squadron would move away from his aircraft a little. He was about to light a cigarette and they didn't want to be engulfed in the ensuing explosion if he had been hit.
Adolf Galland had an ash tray installed in his cockpit.

Don't believe he was a cigarette or cigar smoker. It was his pipe.

[SpazSinbad]

SIFTING THROUGH THE EVIDENCE Pilot incapacitation near Tindal, 05 June 1991, (AF/A-18 A21-41) 2 page PDF attached
DDAAFS Defence Aviation Air Force Safety http://www.pigzbum.com/accidents/sifting-through-the-evidenc.pdf
"...If the incident pilot had in fact not realised the cabin pressure switch was incorrectly set to DUMP, the cabin would have been unpressurised and the pilot, on removing his mask at altitude, would have quickly suffered hypoxic hypoxia due to the lack of cabin oxygen....
...The most likely causal factor was deemed to be that the pilot suffered hypoxic hypoxia, as a result of removing his oxygen mask in an unpressurised cockpit at altitudes greater than 28,000 ft....

...Footnotes: The incident pilot had a history of flying with his oxygen mask removed. As recently as two days before the accident, the incident pilot had indicated to another squadron pilot that he considered it unnecessary to wear his oxygen mask at altitudes around 30,000 ft since the cabin altitude was only about 12,000 ft under those circumstances. (With the cabin pressure switch set to NORM, the AF/A-18 cabin pressure schedule maintains a cockpit altitude of approximately 8000 ft until 23,000 ft aircraft altitude. Above 23,000 ft aircraft altitude, the cockpit altitude increases slowly to approximately 14,500 ft at 35,000 ft aircraft altitude, and 20,000 ft at 50,000 ft aircraft altitude.) The Board concluded that since a radio call had been made passing FL220, the incident pilot must have taken his oxygen mask off some time later, probably when he unexplainably levelled off at FL280 for a short period during the climb. (The time of useful consciousness at FL280 is less than two minutes and time to unconsciousness is less than four minutes. These times decrease with increasing altitude.)...

...It was thought, that since the incident pilot had only completed AVMED training once (during his initial pilot training and four years prior to the accident) that he may have had insufficient experience to be fully aware of his individual hypoxia symptoms. At the time of the accident he was 11 months overdue for his AVMED refresher training."

[finestkind]

SpazSinbad.

My recollection was that the wingman stayed in place until min fuel diverting to Gove hoping for a quick refuel to chase lead.

[SpazSinbad]

SpazSinbad.

My recollection was that the wingman stayed in place until min fuel diverting to Gove hoping for a quick refuel to chase lead.
Where is your recollection from please? TIA. As you can see I'm interested in this story for my BIG PDF & 'oxy probs' not just LOX.

[megan]

Spaz, details here, page 34, the wingman returned to Tindal upon reaching min fuel, no mention of Gove. I see you have referenced the link yourself previously.

http://www.pigzbum.com/accidents/sifting-through-the-evidenc.pdf

I have some extremely vague recollection that there was some problem with the Hornet pilot to airframe oxy connection at some time where it could become unplugged, may be the memory turning to mush.

Then again, perhaps he recognised the onset of hypoxia because of the now recognised issues with the on board oxygen generation system and removed his mask, who knows.

[tartare]

Interesting document - I hadn't realised that so many RAAF F-111s were lost.

[SpazSinbad]

Spaz, details here, page 34, the wingman returned to Tindal upon reaching min fuel, no mention of Gove. I see you have referenced the link yourself previously.

http://www.pigzbum.com/accidents/sifting-through-the-evidenc.pdf

I have some extremely vague recollection that there was some problem with the Hornet pilot to airframe oxy connection at some time where it could become unplugged, may be the memory turning to mush. [mine is mush that is why I make BIG PDF :} ] Then again, perhaps he recognised the onset of hypoxia because of the now recognised issues with the on board oxygen generation system and removed his mask, who knows.
The BIGsPums PDF does say that mishap pilot was known to unmask upstairs - to me it would seem he regularly de-masked but this fatal time the pressurization was not working (finger trouble error on someone's part) so he quickly succumbed to hypoKiCK hypocia. {I did not know there was such duble truble}. Another reason why checklists are important along with SOPs. And I always had two visors down when possible.

Hypoxic hypoxia (hypoxemic hypoxia) : There is a lack of oxygen in the blood flowing to the tissues.

[SpazSinbad]

Interesting document - I hadn't realised that so many RAAF F-111s were lost.
FlgOff Kelly Pilot of OHAKEA F-111 ejection upon takeoff went on to DECK Land an S2G aboard MELBOURNE in 1980.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1629x1050/fo_kelly_dls_tracker_melbourne_1980_26365c7b8520d12d20869dd5 79baea3df1e40e39.jpg

[ORAC]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1995/06/24/navy-jet-crew-removed-oxygen-masks-before-crash/72bcaac7-945b-400a-83d4-df082d1dac9c/

June 24, 1995

Navy officials said yesterday that their investigation into the fatal crash of an F-14 jet fighter in 1989 in Arizona revealed that the mishap occurred when the pilot and navigator removed their helmets and oxygen masks, donned their cloth garrison caps and saluted pilots in a nearby plane who were taking pictures of them.…

[SpazSinbad]

There is talk about 'mooning' in that article. YEAH RIGHT in flight - sure. At least these RAAFie CHAPPies were decent enough to do it on the tarmac.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1680x1007/crabmiraclemoon_480831e28a4732e5bf7b9b3271798d1461be650c.jpg

[Union Jack]

Now why do I think that photo should be on Arrse....? :confused:

Jack

[Buster Hyman]

Were the Mirages retired due to excessive cracks?

[finestkind]

Where is your recollection from please? TIA. As you can see I'm interested in this story for my BIG PDF & 'oxy probs' not just LOX.

Check your PM please.

[Lookleft]

Its why the RAAF were inspired to adopt the probe and drogue refueling system.

[visibility3miles]

Apologies if this has been posted before, but this is an interesting YouTube video about the original movie.

Something I take some offense at is that they say “a” stunt pilot died during the filming of the movie, and there is a dedication to him near the end of the movie.

Art Scholl was not just “a” stunt pilot, he was an amazing aerobatic pilot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mPvuzCOOQ

[T28B]

notasamod
Hollywood uses stunt men and stunt pilots as their normal jargon. The narrator seems to be a Hollywood type.
Hard to take offense. I admit to being amused at a few of the errors that the narrator made while he was pointing out errors.

[Cat Techie]

Just seen it with the Missus. Both enjoyed it for what it was. Of course having met and handled USAF aircrew in between the dates of the films, I told the missus that the US aircrews are as professional and gentlemanly in most parts to ours.

[tartare]

Saw it last night.
Mega cheesy, brilliant aerial sequences and many little aviation references and details that were spot on.
Laughed out loud when Mav had to switch to guns.
Loved it.

[SpazSinbad]

I see earlier this photo posted on a 'not quite right thread'(PHENOM does not land PHENOMly at all): https://www.pprune.org/11241998-post63.html
I Bet You’ve Never Seen A Private Jet Fly An Approach To An Aircraft Carrier Before 06 Jun 2022 OLIVER PARKEN https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/i-bet-youve-never-seen-a-private-jet-fly-an-approach-to-a-supercarrier-before “A cockpit view from the Phenom camera ship just before it passes over the fantail with the setting sun in the distance. See the meatball on the left side of the deck. @k2_larosa/Kevin LaRosa.” https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/06/06/Screen-Shot-2022-06-06-at-4.39.23-PM.png
FAST underlined FLAT underlined LOW in close underlined HIGH at the RAMP underlined but HEY HEY its SATURDAY: (at da PLAT / ILARTS movies) :}
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1325x814/phenomapproachcvntopgun2damovie_3b2e39925cb76749baac709f9fa9 170692ad80e5.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/160x90/f_18_arrested_landing_slow_motion_a88adb4e49f1d2909888b4e4cf 21dab458638265.gif

[air pig]

Most people haven't picked up on the crew chief and two of the pilots having toned down left shoulder SR71 OL 8 HABU patches, pit viper on a striped background, just no name.

[tartare]

Most people haven't picked up on the crew chief and two of the pilots having toned down left shoulder SR71 OL 8 HABU patches, pit viper on a striped background, just no name.

In the Darkstar sequence?
They even got the flickering plasma effect around the cockpit exterior right.. very clever.