Why do you continue to help EK?

[Spikedog]

Even before the latest insults, but now more than ever, why do you continue to ......

Work Days Off?

Work as a Training Captain on a pay as you train basis, rather than on a Training Captain's basic salary? Why doesn't everyone who wants to get into training say no to this new type of 'contract' and then they'd have to pay you properly?! It's not rocket science!

Accept only getting 30 days leave out of your contracted 42 and then selling your leave days for a pittance (Would office staff accept not getting any of their public holidays?)

[Ekisnotthebest]

Because people are entitled to make their own decisions

[KippaLippa]

wanna know why?

because we, humans, are stupid, selfish and greedy.
and we, pilots, are humans.

and that's why.

[dubaigong]

KippaLippa you are spot on and unfortunately right , we are the worse bunch of selfish breed I have seen in all my life....

[Kennytheking]

This all is getting as dull as the FIFO narrative.....:ugh:

Why don't you okes rather start a thread on where to get the best HJ in Asia.....

[KippaLippa]

This all is getting as dull as the FIFO narrative.....:ugh:

Why don't you okes rather start a thread on where to get the best HJ in Asia.....

FIFO = First In First Out
HJ = Hand Job

no understand you

[Spikedog]

This all is getting as dull as the FIFO narrative.....:ugh:

Why don't you okes rather start a thread on where to get the best HJ in Asia.....


Is that because you like working Days Off or on a Pay as you Train basis?

[Kennytheking]

Is that because you like working Days Off or on a Pay as you Train basis?

Haha....nice try. Fortunately I don't care enough to get baited into a flight.

[fatbus]

It feels good to say"NO" when they call

[CaptainChipotle]

Even better to have a cold one primed when the 708 number rings. Its a great feeling to say NO, take a big gulp, then burp.

But for me that feeling is short lived, because the next bloke will probably say yes, because he will find some reason that benefits himself... money, maybe an additional day off down the line, or "hey, I can take that AD away from you tomorrow".

The problem with the expat pilot group is simple. We are all transient in some shape or form, and we are only in it for ourselves. Unfortunately, solidarity in the pilot group in EK will never be strong.

Anyone ever heard of divide and conquer?

[KippaLippa]

don't worry Chipotle, pilots don't show solidarity anywhere.
we belong to that part of humanity which is more individualistic.

don't have expectations. you'd be pleasantly surprised, may be.

[Trader]

Rostering is not so dumb either. They often call certain nationalities offering a trip 'home'. If accepted they then swap the originally rostered pilot with the 'accepting' one and give the first pilot another trip.

I know a group of Swedish FO's, all connected on Whatsapp, had this happen. One messaged (at 430am) that rostering was calling asking if they wanted a Stockholm trip so be aware. But in this case ANOTHER Swede in the group already had it rostered and was shocked to see them trying to 'give' it to someone else.

[TOGA!]

or, "it's Bangkok"

"well it is my day off", "I only get 9"

"it is Bangkok"

"what time does it leave?"

"2345"

"that means a pick up around 2130?"
"it is 1730 now, how is it you are calling me now?"

"It's BKK"

"My wife is sitting right here, let me ask her if I can go"

click.

[felixthecat]

Rostering is not so dumb either. They often call certain nationalities offering a trip 'home'. If accepted they then swap the originally rostered pilot with the 'accepting' one and give the first pilot another trip.

Thats naughty !!!

[Cloud Bunny]

Rostering is not so dumb either. They often call certain nationalities offering a trip 'home'. If accepted they then swap the originally rostered pilot with the 'accepting' one and give the first pilot another trip.

I know a group of Swedish FO's, all connected on Whatsapp, had this happen. One messaged (at 430am) that rostering was calling asking if they wanted a Stockholm trip so be aware. But in this case ANOTHER Swede in the group already had it rostered and was shocked to see them trying to 'give' it to someone else.

Why on earth would they do that? Seems completely pointless. Or have I read that wrong?

[LivingINtheDream]

Is it mandatory to pick up the call from rostering on a day off?

[harry the cod]

That would all depend on whether it was one of your legal days off. Contractually, we are required to have days off at base, not down route. The new freighter contract breaks this norm.

If it was not one of the legal days off, they can of course change it. If they didn't have this flexibility the Company would cover its arse and give us only the legal number each month replacing the extras with AD's and STBY duties. That would be a blow to all those 380 boys and girls with their 15-16 OFF each month.

In fairness to EK, being asked to work over days off is rare anyway.

Harry

[Trader]

Cloud Bunny - rostering is short a pilot for a trip somewhere (possibly a less than desirable destination). They know many guys won't come in on days off for the lousy call out pay. So they look at their pilot body and think...hmmmm.... we have a Brazillian (or insert any other country) who would probably like to go home. So they call him and offer him the trip to his home country (which is currently filled by another pilot). If he says YES, they give hom the flight and rearrange the other pilots roster to cover the initial (usually crappy) flight.

[Cloud Bunny]

Cloud Bunny - rostering is short a pilot for a trip somewhere (possibly a less than desirable destination). They know many guys won't come in on days off for the lousy call out pay. So they look at their pilot body and think...hmmmm.... we have a Brazillian (or insert any other country) who would probably like to go home. So they call him and offer him the trip to his home country (which is currently filled by another pilot). If he says YES, they give hom the flight and rearrange the other pilots roster to cover the initial (usually crappy) flight.

Blimey. Having worked in crewing that still seems like a lot of work they are creating for themselves when they have RSV guys who, as we know when we are on it, have to do as they are told!
But I'm not surprised by anything round here anymore!!

[Trader]

Quick fix for times when they run short on RSV. I know several weeks ago they were begging office/training dept pilots to fly on short notice.

[Spikedog]

Well, in my opinion, anyone who works a day off, joins the training department on a pay as you train basis, sells their leave, etc, etc has no reason to complain when Emirates treats us the way they do.

What did you think was going to happen?

You're basically pulling your pants down and bending over to pick up the soap and we're all getting b@ggered, not just you.

I hope it was worth it because you're contributing to them being able to give us no pay rise, which leads to no increase in our provident fund contributions, no increase in education allowance, whilst increasing our monthly medical insurance premiums, stopping us opting out of company accommodation, etc, etc.

All at a time when it's becoming more expensive to live in Dubai (Car Insurance increases, VAT being introduced next year, schools putting their fees up 4% year on year). I could go on and on.

Imagine if you'd all said "No"

[thatwasclose]

None of us said NO to coming here . Even when things where better we turned a blind eye to things that we knew where wrong . It just did not effect us . The labor that was cheap and abused . The workers we saw in the buses drive by on the highway . The low pay for people of certain countries . The no rights in the country we chose to live in , the non union environment. Sure things where good before . We had days off , got our wide body commands , we turned a blind eye to all the negatives and told ourselves we where doing well . Can't help but feel that I , and others , where rather like young German officers in the 30s . Sure , the regime was nasty but we where doing well finally . And the conquests and glory followed . We chose not to see the bad .
Now the Russians are at the gates and we can see the madness of the leadership and we are losing what we had . Now we condemn the place we happily served . Ah , but it is too late . We where complicate .

[White Knight]

Is it mandatory to pick up the call from rostering on a day off?

NO..... And you can say NO if you are stupid enough to answer the phone!

[TangoUniform]

Heard thru the rumor mill a couple of guys on a N.A. ULR said NO when called on the layover to pick up the pieces of a sick captain on a training flight.

[ruserious]

thatwasclose, amen to that

[harry the cod]

TU

Would depend on how much notice they got I guess. If the Company gives you the required notice, you will not have a choice.

DS

Contrary to what we think is a contractual increment, the 3% step is not automatic. It should be, and has been other than this year and 2008 but it's awarded 'discretionally'. That one word changes a contractual right into an expected one.

Sadly, that's a big difference!

Harry

[glofish]

It should be, and has been other than this year and 2008 but it's awarded 'discretionally'. That one word changes a contractual right into an expected one

... and this closes the circle of this thread right down to "discretion" in the OMA.
If anyone gives any kind of discretion now, he gives up any right to complain about any other "discretion" not awarded.

[Monarch Man]

Would depend on how much notice they got I guess. If the Company gives you the required notice, you will not have a choice.

@HTC, and therein lies the rub. The trick is remain contactable but unobtainable, at least that is until 12hrs before your scheduled departure.
Not easy to do, but certainly doable and in my case something I've practiced after falling foul when in similar circumstances I was "asked" to operate with about 5hrs notice. I asserted to the person what the OMA requirement was, which resulted in a delayed flight and a warning letter for yours truely, from that day to this I am contactable but unobtainable on ULR layovers and in complete compliance with the letter of the OMA wording.

[nolimitholdem]

None of us said NO to coming here . Even when things where better we turned a blind eye to things that we knew where wrong . It just did not effect us . The labor that was cheap and abused . The workers we saw in the buses drive by on the highway . The low pay for people of certain countries . The no rights in the country we chose to live in , the non union environment. Sure things where good before . We had days off , got our wide body commands , we turned a blind eye to all the negatives and told ourselves we where doing well . Can't help but feel that I , and others , where rather like young German officers in the 30s . Sure , the regime was nasty but we where doing well finally . And the conquests and glory followed . We chose not to see the bad .
Now the Russians are at the gates and we can see the madness of the leadership and we are losing what we had . Now we condemn the place we happily served . Ah , but it is too late . We where complicate .

Hmmm yeah references to Nazism and Communism aren't over the top or anything. :rolleyes:

Please point me to one airline where self-interest doesn't rule all.

[italian stallion]

I am having a laugh reading these posts....Just as funny as their new freighter contract they're offering.
Went to a recent roadshow and what i read on their advert intially about the contract didnt sound "too" bad, but when questioned about it at the roadshow...OMG you have to be dumb to accept it!!
They us told they need 800 pilost by the end of this financial year.....GOOD LUCK!!!

[nakbin330]

The conditions are not good enough to retain, let alone attract enough pilots. It's a tough business anyway, but making money in the airline business without pilots is impossible.

[luvly jubbly]

They won't need us much longer......

Robot co-pilot successfully flies and lands Boeing 737 in simulator (http://news.sky.com/story/robot-co-pilot-successfully-flies-and-lands-boeing-737-in-simulator-10881082)

[Odins Raven]

They won't need us much longer......

Robot co-pilot successfully flies and lands Boeing 737 in simulator (http://news.sky.com/story/robot-co-pilot-successfully-flies-and-lands-boeing-737-in-simulator-10881082)

Or.... they could have just used the autopilot. But, hey ho to each their own.

[serf]

http://https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.scotsman.com/news/transport/easyjet-launches-biggest-pilot-recruitment-drive-yet-1-4446903/amp (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.scotsman.com/news/transport/easyjet-launches-biggest-pilot-recruitment-drive-yet-1-4446903/amp)

Easyjet anyone?