Yet more evidence that CX is mismanaged

[Trafalgar]

Another area of service that our competitors are crushing us with....

British Airways wi-fi in the sky finally takes off | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travelsupplement/article-4434866/British-Airways-wi-fi-sky-finally-takes-off.html)

[oriental flyer]

Whilst I agree , do you really want the passengers all around you making phone calls when you are trying to sleep . I think that unless phone calls Skype etc are banned air rage will become commonplace

[Average Fool]

Don't worry, with the pax flying on airlines that do have wifi, you will enjoy a few seats to yourself.

Staff travel anyone?? Looks like theres plenty of room.

[swh]

As far as I am aware CX is still the only foreign airline to have Wifi over China.

Other airlines may have wifi but do not have the right to have it on over China.

[The FUB]

Of course if phone calls, at 34000ft whilst enjoying a Betsy beer, are annoying then purchase a wifi jammer from Sham Shui Po.

[Oval3Holer]

Pan Am - down the drain.
Eastern Airlines, once the largest airline in the free world - down the drain.
Cathay Pathetic - next.

Face the facts and make plans for your future such that it doesn't include Cathay...

[oriental flyer]

FUB ,

Imagine 5-6 people turn on their wifi jammers at the same time , it messes up the GPS signals and you can all join the cast of "lost "

[SloppyJoe]

Oriental flyer,

Using the same level of understanding think about this. Someone uses the wifi to hack into the planes computers and crashes it. I will take my chances with a wifi jammer.:hmm:

[oriental flyer]

It's not going to happen because the flight computers are not using wifi , however a wifi blocker works by sending out an RF signal that could possibly interfere with the gps signals . It won't affect the flight computers just the LNAV GPS input

[Shep69]

Many wifi and cell phone type jammers incorporate GPS jammers as well. These are to disable surreptitiously placed GPS based tracking devices which are often used by law enforcement as well as lawyers trying to catch cheating spouses.

Wifi (2.4G and above) usually operates well above GPS (1.2-1.3G; plus or minus a couple hundred MHz depending on which kind of equipment) and most cell phones, but any transmitter--especially one trying to jam -- and double especially one made in China -- generates all kinds of spurious signals and harmonics. And because it's a kinda pirated type of device to begin with there are not any form of universal frequency specifications or power level standards -- unlike normal cell phones, iPads, laptops, and the like.

Obviously this is illegal and dangerous aboard any aircraft with radio based navigation equipment and other electronics. And the possibility of knocking out onboard GPS (and other stuff) is most definitely there. Anyone trying such a stunt should be thrown in jail just like anyone else intentionally trying to harm an aircraft and its passengers.

[SloppyJoe]

The plane however would not crash, so we would not end up as a new cast of lost.

[Icarus2001]

Imagine 5-6 people turn on their wifi jammers at the same time , it messes up the GPS signals and you can all join the cast of "lost "

Yes everything operates on the same frequency, wifi, GPS, microwaves, tv, radio, radar detectors.

I guess they jam the IRS-IRU as well huh?

[flyhardmo]

m.youtube.com/watch?v=FcArnepkhv0

[Abbey Road]

Another area of service that our competitors are crushing us with....

British Airways wi-fi in the sky finally takes off | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travelsupplement/article-4434866/British-Airways-wi-fi-sky-finally-takes-off.html)
I wouldn't hold up BA as a shining example of a wi-fi savvy competitor, just yet. When it comes to integrating 'tech' with their aircraft they manage to muck it up. Even land-based tech, like their IT systems, are just apalling. :rolleyes:

[hkgcanuck]

A WiFi jammer would not affect GPS signals. GPS uses a very low power transmission that the receiver picks out of the mess of other RF noise there is floating around. A WiFi jammer would need to transmit on GPS frequencies in order to affect it, filling the air with other radiation would be irrelevant to GPS.. It would cost more to install the additional antennas so I doubt the cheap Chinese WiFi jammers would do this.

[Flex88]

Bet my last dollar that some 9th floor "manager" with a real nice looking spreadsheet that conformed to Boardroom cost cutting targets is responsible for this.. Saved a whole bunch of bucks - at what cost ?? They're now "PAYING" to fix all this.

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/03/16/damaged-substandard-zodiac-seats-hit-cathay-pacific-image/

[cxorcist]

So Qatar can turn this product away but CX cannot. I'm fairly certain this says something about CX relative to its competitors, and it isn't good. When will CX learn that it is better to do things right the first time, even if it costs a bit more time and money? We are now, no thanks to the fuel hedges, in such bad financial shape that the airline cannot afford expensive do-overs and further brand damage. If the airline continues to be run with a myopic focus on costs only, then CX will become the next airline industry fatality.

[LongTimeInCX]

For those that think John Walton, the gentleman who wrote the blog in Flex88's post, has exaggerated the shoddiness of the seats, perhaps those of you who get the chance to look at the cabin in the A50 should do so.
I have only recently looked in the A50 cabin, and even though I only had chance to look at the business seats, either I was on exactly the same aircraft as Mr Walton flew on, or sadly, the problem is more widespread.

To view poorly fitting trim, mismatched joins, flaking laminate, badly fitted material, was very disappointing, and the list went on. How these seats were accepted for use is beyond me, and with minimal use already, looking as bad as they do, I doubt they will last well.

And these seats are what we are doing to try and retain/attract premium passengers?
If this is the level of management oversight and decision making that we now have, then our beloved airline may indeed be doomed.
It's not a 30% management clearout that's needed. It's more like a fresh set of eyes with a sound business mind, a blank sheet of paper and a new approach.

[cxorcist]

Richard Anderson for CEO!

[Trafalgar]

Gordon Bethune is available.... :D (of course, it would take him six months to get over the shock at what a complete mess this airlines operations are like).

[Average Fool]

They would probably hire him, rave about the "turnaround", then do absolutely none of the suggestions.

[mngmt mole]

Sadly you are probably correct. Of course, there would be a new survey in there somewhere :ugh:

[Arfur Dent]

A Senior Manager in the "Procurement Department " chose to equip our A50's to the current levels of finish. Has he been challenged to justify such premature failure of the interiors or parts thereof? Have those who installed such mismatched rubbish been called upon to replace the offending items? Are there not warranties in place?
No - didn't think so........

[cxorcist]

"We don't blame people at CX, just as we don't blame pilots for a hard landings." - AT

... because accountability is so overrated! Funny how mis-management adopts the Snowflake mantra when it suits them but remains in the Colonial Ages on their labour relationships. No hypocrisy there!

[LongTimeInCX]

Deckchairs ..... Titanic.....? Anyone

[Pucka]

The sad matter is, that even after all these screw ups, the same individuals are still in situ..no heads roll and they're even allowed a second and third shot at the same subject..from EFB, A50 furnishings, forward Galley A50, the hideous and frankly unhygienic forward biz class Loo with its see through door and the general state of some of our carpets..particularly in first class…what a total and utter mess..and now this al la carte nonsense..you can't polish a turd, let alone eat one...

[clear.right]

The sad matter is, that even after all these screw ups, the same individuals are still in situ..no heads roll and they're even allowed a second and third shot at the same subject..from EFB, A50 furnishings, forward Galley A50, the hideous and frankly unhygienic forward biz class Loo with its see through door and the general state of some of our carpets..particularly in first class…what a total and utter mess..and now this al la carte nonsense..you can't polish a turd, let alone eat one...


Exactly what is wrong with "this a la carte nonsense"?

[Pucka]

its the new Biz class A la carte service on demand..same food but served as and when required..no additional CC..nothing to improve hey but hey..10 abreast seating is just a wonderful thing on a 16 hour sector with no healthy snack options and a seat made perfect for that DVT event..

[Cavallier]

Don't forget the "Award Winning" regional Buisness Class Seat !!!! Never seen or experienced such crap in my life. Would rather sit in Economy !!!

The Cav

[Starbear]

The basic problem is that this lot have received(bought) so many awards both externally (Skytrax etc) and internally (world leading IT -jesus h christonabike-really) they genuinely believe their own crap. The Airbus A330 conversion course was very recently referred to (internally) as world class. Anyone suffering that piece of nonsense agree?
I honestly do not think this is salvageable.

[cxorcist]

The basic problem is that this lot have received(bought) so many awards both externally (Skytrax etc) and internally (world leading IT -jesus h christonabike-really) they genuinely believe their own crap. The Airbus A330 conversion course was very recently referred to (internally) as world class. Anyone suffering that piece of nonsense agree?
I honestly do not think this is salvageable.

I think this is what professional investors call a broken corporate culture. Only a true change agent can right the ship. Near as I can tell, the Swires do not have such a leader in their midst. Cutting a few hundred middle managers and office staff, despite the arguable appropriateness of such actions, will not fix things. Done improperly, it may well make things worse before they can get better.

CX is grossly behind on IT and lags (or lacks) industry standards in many areas of the operation. We witness those failures on an almost daily basis. Our product deteriorates, and costs run rampant. In some portions of the Company, CX can't even quantify their own expenses holistically because the vertical silos are so disconnected. It's like trying to run when not even able to walk yet. We are in trouble, and cost cuts alone won't fix it. I sure hope they have a decent plan, but there are no indications of that thus far.

[Shep69]

If the only strategy is to slash staff, cut back on service, and defer basings what more evidence does one need ?

[cxorcist]

There will be yet more and more evidence, too: Although the company desperately needed a CMP 20 years ago, as they were told by us and everyone, watch every dollar that has finally been spent go down right the sewer when this whole thing gets canceled and added to the list of grand failures.

... and the whole failure will be blamed on the pilots' unions!

[Farman Biplane]

Hong Kong Airlines group will be glad for its new employees and their intimate knowledge of the Cathay systems. TTW CX

[Trafalgar]

Not to mention the fanatical sense of injustice that will accompany them to HKA. Another 'own-goal' in the making by CX. The tragicomedy continues. :{

[Trafalgar]

Still haven't heard that those responsible for the fuel hedging debacle have been fired. Of course, we will hear all about the 600+ that are going to be let go because of their incompetence. The same chefs are still in the kitchen, and the food is still burning....

[Strewth]

Long haul low cost becomes mainstream as full service airlines gradually embrace new business models (https://centreforaviation.com/insights/analysis/long-haul-low-cost-becomes-mainstream-as-full-service-airlines-gradually-embrace-new-business-models-348105)

[Veruka Salt]

You know the fuel hedging 'debacle' was a deliberate ploy to remove cash from the balance sheet, and provide a 'crisis' smokescreen to drive through a long overdue restructuring? Hence why no heads have rolled - rather, certain people have been promoted. Ivan Chiu has been elevated to a coveted Swire corporate job. They did the job they'd been tasked with doing.

[Strewth]

Reckon a la QF. Managements dreamin, day late and a dollar short.

6C_iocXPj8M

[Trafalgar]

oh.....THAT is funny. :-)

[wiltshireman]

What a shame about the once-great airline that I belonged to for 20+ years. But it does have compensations! went to great CX reunion last week in London with about 40 odd other old China Hands! So, we are still a band of brothers if rather dated!

[cxorcist]

What a shame about the once-great airline that I belonged to for 20+ years. But it does have compensations! went to great CX reunion last week in London with about 40 odd other old China Hands! So, we are still a band of brothers if rather dated!

All good things come to an end. Just like in the military, all the sweet deals eventually go away. It's the nature of the beast. If I can't have that, then nobody is going to. Even the win-win scenarios become lose-lose after the green with jealousy manager gets his hands on it. In fairness, globalist capitalism plays a part too. It's the ugly side of free enterprise, which is still better than socialism, but nonetheless flawed.

[Bob Hawke]

Yes, Socialism, a bit like American diplomacy.

[Flex88]

Yes yes but it's Globalist Capitalism with "Asian Values" :ok:

What this means is we"ll cut cut cut until we have the same cost base as Tony & Tiger air.... Then we just BS to the pax and tell them (and employees) were a "Premium" airline.

BTW, I believe they get #Real FOC's

[Flex88]

Cathay Pacific and Japan Airlines eye cooperation for more flight choices and better fares | South China Morning Post (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/economy/article/2097081/cathay-pacific-and-japan-airlines-hold-partnership-talks-more)

CX - Jal hold partnership "talks" :eek::eek:

This smells of another massive "collusion / Price Fixing" lawsuit on the way..

Just to ad to the 100's of millions (US) that they have lost in this way before. But don't worry, the Hogman is in charge now...:(

[Liam Gallagher]

The latest management buzzword seems to be "proposition".

Well, here's a "proposition". This weeks Union Focus listed 9 resignations from CX. Now I'm sure those figures are just a blip, however resignations at anything like that rate coupled with the Training Ban is just not a sustainable "proposition".

I see much discussion about further engagement with the Company. Perhaps a better "proposition" would be for our hard working union volunteers to take a couple of months off and join the rest of us on the sofa sharing the beer and popcorn watching the Company figure out how they are going to operate an airline with a slow, but steady decline in the number of pilots.

F*cking pilots....

[Flex88]

During the last great Crusade when times were tough; no profit, pax way down, unhappy employees, SAR's etc.etc. executive management figured out "exactly" what was wrong and cut a "BIG" cheque to have it fixed...

They dropped huge bucks on a local Ultra High Profile "Feng Shui" man who came in, sacrificed a pig (of which all the big wigs sampled) and who then decided that the "Lions" at the front door were not in the "optimum" position for maximum good luck and had them moved to the position where they are today...

You brushwingers think I'm BS'n don't you ??? Ask around... not 1 iota of BS there... Only here at this finely managed company can this crap happen.....

[Strewth]

“When companies have a crisis situation, how you communicate as a brand may end up being more important than what you do and what actually happened.” CX 101016 (https://mumbrella.com.au/cathay-pacific-searches-pr-network-handle-global-crisis-communications-400728)

Interesting thought; still, doesn't augur well for a company in crisis.

[Flex88]

Yet more evidence that CX is mismanaged

I see the dancing buffoon (video now widely available) still in management office on 3rd floor. That following many managers getting the "Time to Win" flick..
Mismanagement doesn't even begin to describe this..
600 + people loosing their jobs and the Dancing Buffoon stays.
Lordy give me the patience to get through the pestilence and debauchery I am witness to...

[Flex88]

Nicely hidden in the text of a NTC yesterday as well as the latest issue of the French hotdog roll is vaguely summarised information (wag the dog)that the the A50 eLogbook (another CX we have an in house "better technology solution" than any other airline in the world) product development has been stopped and thrown into the tip.
Any guesses as to how many 10's of millions of US$ are going down with that familiar flushing sound ???
This is just one more failed (we can do it better) project owned jointly by our eEnabled GMLO (yes, same gent who flushed MILLIONS ++ on his FAILED EFB fiasco and as a result was chosen to run "Project Altitude") and the Director of Engineering + GM Engineering (who BTW are no longer at their desks so in the fine tradition of Swire Management methodology are not answerable for the pile of sh** they leave behind nor the cost).

Some Harvard MBA just has to do their thesis on this so that it gets recorded for the history books as an EPIC failed management story. Marrying your sister for a generation or two can breed better management candidates..

[Trafalgar]

.....now that last comment IS funny !!

[Starbear]

Yet more evidence that CX is mismanaged

I see the dancing buffoon (video now widely available) still in management office on 3rd floor. That following many managers getting the "Time to Win" flick..
Mismanagement doesn't even begin to describe this..
600 + people loosing their jobs and the Dancing Buffoon stays.
Lordy give me the patience to get through the pestilence and debauchery I am witness to...

The one guy who was making true progress in getting the deplorable Airbus manuals back into a usable state (MB) was binned at the remaining clown's expense.

[Strewth]

$12.9 Billion Beijing Megaport (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-21/-12-9-billion-airport-puts-china-s-biggest-airlines-in-a-battle-for-dominance) Bloomberg News 22062017

A representative for Cathay didn't respond to an email seeking comments.
What What; an Air Park you say? for God's sake man, ones in the garden tending Humulus lupulus!

[GTC58]

Losing market share in North America is next.
No wonder we are returning 15 -300ER's to the leasing companies.

Hong Kong Airlines flying to Vancouver.

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/yvr-president-says-hes-set-to-take-on-jackie-chan

[Freehills]

Nothing wrong with a bit of competition. HKE especially has been a breath of fresh air. All the guff about 'premium passengers'. No, 9 times out of 10 they will buy the cheapest seat.

[Starbear]

This direct quote from a departing (fired) manager:

"What lies ahead is still an unknown. For reasons known only to the future Management structure they are not willing to share their philosophy"

And this from those who are "keen to share" as soon as possible.

[Freehills]

Eh? It is very clear. It is Time To Win. Which part of that don't you understand? The winning or the fact now is the time?

Before, it wasn't time to win. Now it is. Get out there and win.

[Arfur Dent]

The really odd fact about all of this is that Adrian Swire did actually know the value of pilots and, indeed, was one himself. He owned and operated/sponsored a beautiful Spitfire and was the architect of the Cathay of the 70s and 80's that we all loved so much (Yes - I was there). Why did he allow the bean counters and associated dickheads to take over the running (ruining) of this Once Great Airline? Somebody at his level must have watched while the modernists spoilt everything that he and his representatives had created. In the name of money of which they had barrowloads?? Surely not. Maybe in the name of just survival when the Chinese Dragon barks. It can't be just about money.
If survival is what it's all been about - why not explain that to the Aircrew instead of declaring them the 'enemy' all those years ago. WE would have helped because we were involved and had helped to create the best Airline on the planet.
And where do you keep getting idiots like AT to do your dirty work?? "Judas" springs to mind - especially when referring to some of the most senior Aircrew…..
And we end up with CEO's like Ivan and his fuel hedging team that, collectively, make the Airline a laughing stock in the Hong Kong 'corridors of power".
How could the Swire stand by and watch all that happen?? Sure as Hell beats me.

[Freehills]

I think they just really mismanaged the transition from quasi-monopoly (Kai Tak slots, stranglehold on Taiwan-China market, friendly government policies) to a more normal level of competition.

People constantly expecting same (financial) results as the good old days, but no recognition that times had changed & new blood/ new ideas required to adapt.

[Trafalgar]

I hate to pop anybody's bubble, but I think we can trace the unrelenting attack against our group to one ill-advised decision our union made back in the early 90's. The A330 fleet had a world-wide grounding due to an engine problem (if memory serves me correctly). The AOA, for reasons that were sincere, yet I believe naive, decided to not help out the company with temporary work rule changes. It is my understanding that this so infuriated the senior levels of Swire that they made a decision to crush the pilot group. Well, here we are more than 20 years on. I felt it was a mistake at the time to not help in what was an obviously unusual and difficult situation. Sadly, I think we are still reaping the whirlwind for that decision. :uhoh:

[betpump5]

You felt it was a mistake at the time? You know what son, you are entitilled to your pacifistic opinions. Even though I'm starting to get a little tired of them.

But could you please change your name, or make up a new one. It really P1sses me off. How about "On the Fence", " White flag". Anything other than Trafalgar.

[mr did]

Calling bullsh1t on that statement Trafalgar. The demise of pilot conditions started when Eddington used his newly minted MBA to corporatise CX effectively taking pilots from quasi management to the ranks of the employees. The procession of narcissistic idiots that followed just included us in the "screw the employees to the wall" mantra Swire specialise in.

[Trafalgar]

Betpump. I think a review of my many posts will debunk your claim that i'm a 'pacifist'. I am entitled to my opinion however regarding that particular point in history. My gut feeling at the time was that there would be a huge fallout, and I believe we are still suffering from that. I believe the company is 95% to blame for all of our ills, but that was one time I think we committed an 'own goal'. You seem to take my opinion personally. Where you part of the committee that make that decision at the time?

[Trafalgar]

Mr Did. Fair comment. I still personally believe that the gloves came off completely after that particular episode. I'm not suggesting the company was fair or right in doing so, just that I believe we gave them an excuse that we could have avoided. Again, we are all entitled to our opinions. That happens to be mine.

[Bob Hawke]

So the grown ups haven't really grown up?

[olster]

I was also there in the 'good old days' and indeed can add my own personal anecdotes about Rod Eddington. Similar to the relationships that the Swires had with the pilots, Rod lived in the same block of flats as us and he regularly socialised with the pilot / F/E group with no seeming animus towards us. Admittedly with a slight bias towards our Antipodean cousins but nevertheless if he was a 'pilot hater' he never showed it. I guess about that time Cathay entered the world of global airline players and the rules changed. Also the 49er issue damaged the relationship for good.

Cheers

[betpump5]

Traf

No i wasn't part of the committee at the time. However my opinion is that if we are in a situation, like Contract Compliance, or whatever you want to call it at different times during our History, then it's because we had no choice. Our hand was forced. Its not like we are doing it for Sh!ts and giggles. Therefore unless something of cataclysmic proportions has the company at a make-or-break position, then no union "action" should ever be withdrawn.

The grounding of the A330s is like Typhoon Signal 8. Non event in my eyes. I.e there should be no withdrawal of Union Action. It's moments like this when we really show the Company what Goodwill they are abusing and why we withdrew it.

Therefore my opinion is that you saying "it was a mistake" makes you a pacifist. But like I acknowledged, you are entitles to your opinion.

[Freehills]

If we are going back that far - then some of the attitudes held about the ab initio cadet scheme - "Yan can't fly" - etc were also a mistake. Not just because they were flat out racist, but because as local management became increasingly powerful, they held a grudge.

[Flex88]

Spelling, grammar and punctuation errors aside, 'were a Premium airline' actually ended up being 100% correct.

Thanks for catching my error Dan. In hindsight though, I think it was more of a Freudian Slip....:O:O

[Natca]

Traf

No i wasn't part of the committee at the time. However my opinion is that if we are in a situation, like Contract Compliance, or whatever you want to call it at different times during our History, then it's because we had no choice. Our hand was forced. Its not like we are doing it for Sh!ts and giggles. Therefore unless something of cataclysmic proportions has the company at a make-or-break position, then no union "action" should ever be withdrawn.

The grounding of the A330s is like Typhoon Signal 8. Non event in my eyes. I.e there should be no withdrawal of Union Action. It's moments like this when we really show the Company what Goodwill they are abusing and why we withdrew it.

Therefore my opinion is that you saying "it was a mistake" makes you a pacifist. But like I acknowledged, you are entitles to your opinion.


They can burn the airline down before I'll ever vote to help this crowd with goodwill.

[Flex88]

Is it me or has anybody else noticed that in the Time to Win new "Project Altitude" management structure there are NOlonger type specific Training Offices...
Were all the same right? Boeing identical to Airbus right ??
Who was responsible for the "Project Altitude" - GMLO ! So this goes to his thoughts and attitude toward training and in particular getting rid of the word Airbus one more time as the Boeing Pimp who can't stand that the "Senior Flee" is no longer, slowly eats away at fleet independence and infrastructure.
Boeing / Airbus. same same... why would you need fleet specific Training ??

[Shutterbug]

@Arfur Dent

Why did he allow the bean counters and associated dickheads to take over the running (ruining) of this Once Great Airline?

Nah. Most companies don't last but a few generations. It's baked into the cake. Look through stock listings from the 1920s and see how many of those rode out the 20th century. Hardly any. Coca Cola is a statistical freak. Most companies are just the right person in the right place at the right time with the right idea and ride the trend. Cathay was such a thing. Developed a monopoly in a market right next to the largest dormant economy on the planet just when Hong Kong mattered to the commies, then rode that trend to its logical conclusion. Now for the first time in its existence they need real leadership, not just rent-seeking opportunists who talk a good game... and they've been found wanting.

Was obvious to anyone paying attention at all as since the early 2000s that CX had peaked and had commenced the long downward death spiral. All the "expansion" bs and shiny new jets was just putting lipstick on a pig. Everything ever since then has only confirmed this. The Herringbone seating catastrophe... cost us 40% of our core business class revenue base... the entire management team signed on to that garbage. Anyone ever sacked for that? Course not. The fuel hedging.... pfffff.... everyone knows the score on that.... and the hundreds of other large and small screw-ups. Being bean-counted to death over salt and pepper shakers while we dump billions in fuel over the South China Sea every day flying in circles because no one could see this coming... it's wilfull incompetence... and plenty of blame to go around for all... and on it goes....

Still, institutions die slow painful deaths. The brand could last another few decades and still churn out revenue for stakeholders... but it wont be pretty. Flying cattle cars for mainland peasants. Have fun with it. As an old platoon sergeant used to say... "This is as good as it ever gets."

How right he was.

[crwkunt roll]

Is it me or has anybody else noticed that in the Time to Win new "Project Altitude" management structure there are NOlonger type specific Training Offices...
Also an F/O as DCP!!

[Farman Biplane]

I hear there are plenty of SO's volunteering time in the office as well. Perhaps they have aspirations to be a DCP/CP as an SO? Right people for the job? I am sure their pitiful aviation management diplomas will serve them well!

[Strewth]

"Taipan" Slosar (http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-hongkong-anniversary-swire-idUKKBN19L1C9) Reuters 30062017

Interesting, oil tankers get a guernsey.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSQ7GuApwYt5EX49THv0DeaMW2-lz7hEQWCguEKeIg_80V144O6uoWrjh_seQ

[Oval3Holer]

Slosar gave up his US citizenship for SAR citizenship on June 1, 2010

[Trafalgar]

Can't see there being any shame in that. Actually, it speaks highly of common sense.:D

[Flex88]

Slosar gave up his US citizenship for SAR citizenship on June 1, 2010

If Slosar did give up his US citizenship I doubt it was for a HKSAR passport. As far as I know that was only done once for the hero of Lan Kwai Fong a mainland applauding self aggrandizing Canuck. And this was so they could have a token "non Chinese".
If Slosar got a passport anywhere my guess it would be Panama as rumour would have it to (hide) deposit all the money (skimmed) saved from the tax man, US and all others. Tricks learned by on the job training at Swires..

[Flex88]

Also an F/O as DCP!!

Next up, a "Brushwinger" as "Head" of Pilots. Don't need one for each fleet - we're all the same right?

If you don't think this all goes to show EXACTLY what the Swire corporate elites think of pilots (the well remunerated, highly experienced responsible types with integrity) then you're not seeing the big picture. They don't care, they want all that at ½ the cost.

They aint finished yet....

The really soul destroying part is the Cuck's that have in the past and are certainly up there right now helping them along. You know who they are:sad:

[Flex88]

Many of them have returned with glee as senior SI's + the "Head" of Simulators..

There are words for this but I'm just not articulate enough to reflect my actual thoughts on these types of people...

[Flex88]

Re the above:

Both the "Friday Liar" and the "Le Dried Out French Roll" slathering praise on the now departed (early) Airbus Dancing Buffoon...

Do I need to say more....:ugh:

[Flex88]

A "SURPRISE" retirement party for the Dancing Buffoon(video now out) happening soon...?? Don't stand in the hallway as you might get trampled by those running in the opposite direction to the "sign up here" desk on the gutted 3rd floor. Problem is, he's not retiring... when it turns in it's ID card, there will then be cause to celebrate..


Can you say "DYSFUNCTIONAL" OMG !!!!!!!

[Oval3Holer]

Flex88,
The document showing his new citizenship can be downloaded from a New Zealand government business filing website where Cathay filed a notice regarding a change of information in its directors.

[Strewth]

Overseas Company's Changes (http://www.societies.govt.nz/scanned-images/16/BC10059347416.pdf) NZCO 090610

Federal Register (https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2010/05/24/2010-12333/quarterly-publication-of-individuals-who-have-chosen-to-expatriate-as-required-by-section-6039g) IRS 052410

[Strewth]

Cathay Pacific Hogg disappointed (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-18/cathay-pacific-s-first-half-performance-disappointing-ceo-says) Bloomberg 190717

Cathay Pacific Hogg turn around (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-27/showtime-for-cathay-s-new-ceo-amid-bloated-costs-and-new-rivals) Bloomberg 280417

wrZ88wAezbE

[Strewth]

"When companies have a crisis situation, how you communicate as a brand may end up being more important than what you do and what actually happened.” CX 101016 (https://mumbrella.com.au/cathay-pacific-searches-pr-network-handle-global-crisis-communications-400728)

Cathay Dragon codeshare to final destination (http://app.scmp.com/scmp/mobile/index.html#/article/2100699/desktop) SCMP 300617

Shenzhen Airlines misses Big Buddha (http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/shenzhen-airlines-plane-in-near-miss-with-hong-kongs-big-buddha) The Straits Times 290616

Shenzhen Airlines (http://avherald.com/h?search_term=Shenzhen+airlines&opt=0&dosearch=1&search.x=0&search.y=0) The Aviation Herald

GiPe1OiKQuk

[Pucka]

Back to thread..ish..so CX axe a heap of jobs..announce a major slimming of management jobs, then via the friday fire lighter, award 3 new management appointments in "people" dept ..aka HR..and that's just this week! tracking where this has gone since the redundancies, i note a shed load more..all in twilight, low impact roles that have little or even poor bearing on where CX ought to be going…looks like HR have been awarded a silver chalice...

[Staggers]

Back to thread..ish..so CX axe a heap of jobs..announce a major slimming of management jobs, then via the friday fire lighter, award 3 new management appointments in "people" dept ..aka HR..and that's just this week! tracking where this has gone since the redundancies, i note a shed load more..all in twilight, low impact roles that have little or even poor bearing on where CX ought to be going…looks like HR have been awarded a silver chalice...

Quite a few internal openings that look like jobs people were "let go" from.

Curioser and curioser.....or maybe not.

[Farman Biplane]

Perhaps the vacancies are directed at the HPE consultants! I am sure that having seen the well intentioned management/financial/TTW plan they will be right onboard, champing at the bit!

[mngmt mole]

Anyone who believes that the 'layoffs' were anything more than smoke and mirrors hasn't worked here for very long. The management is simply trying to justify going after the pilots (as they have for the past 23 years). Nothing changes. Hopefully most of us will realise that the only strategy to combat their aims is to resist on all levels. We may succeed, we may not. Certainly just rolling over and agreeing to what they have in mind will only send the career value of working for CX to the absolute bottom of expectations. Up to everyone to determine that outcome.

[Will IB Fayed]

Exactly. In 3 years time there will be record profits. Don't fall for the Doom 'n' Gloom show now. It is CX Negotiating 101. They have been doing it for decades.

I disagree. This airline is toast. Poorly managed, advantages of hkg as the hub of Asia gone, operating from an airport which only has increasing delays (until 3rd rwy circa 2028). You're deluded if you think cx will pull away fron the Hainan group / CSA and mainland carriers.
If I wasn't so lazy, I'd be searching for another job.

[GTC58]

I agree. I believe CX will not be able to adjust to the changing market place and competition. Will will see a much smaller CX in the future.

[Flex88]

Back to thread..ish..so CX axe a heap of jobs..announce a major slimming of management jobs, then via the friday fire lighter, award 3 new management appointments in "people" dept ..aka HR..and that's just this week! tracking where this has gone since the redundancies, i note a shed load more..all in twilight, low impact roles that have little or even poor bearing on where CX ought to be going…looks like HR have been awarded a silver chalice...

Yes Puca, very interesting..
I'm not 100% sure however I believe the "People" dept has not yet had the hammer drop re firings. They are yet to be done as are many other departments.
"Time to Win" management is merely taking a breather before the next round of sackings and there are many more still to be sacked. People, Airports, Engineering ++ etc.. Aug 1st is the next big day I believe..

[positionalpor]

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/british-airways-brilliant-example-how-cost-cutting-costs-jackson?trk=eml-email_feed_ecosystem_digest_01-recommended_articles-7-Unknown&midToken=AQE6XB2nWwnC-g&fromEmail=fromEmail&ut=2Njh8GsmPeJDQ1

[CCA]

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/british-airways-brilliant-example-how-cost-cutting-costs-jackson?trk=eml-email_feed_ecosystem_digest_01-recommended_articles-7-Unknown&midToken=AQE6XB2nWwnC-g&fromEmail=fromEmail&ut=2Njh8GsmPeJDQ1

[goathead]

You have to remember our leaders are some of the best of the best , they know better!


https://www.google.com.hk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/night-piers-gaveston-society-elite-6486118.amp

[Strewth]

Cathay Pacific "execution chamber" parts III & IV (http://www.humanresourcesonline.net/more-job-cuts-at-cathay-pacific-including-in-hr/) Human Resources 240717

HKA Career (http://www.hongkongairlines.com/en_JP/career)

[betpump5]

Bloody good article that regarding how BA's cost cutting has cost them more in the long run.

Sadly the article lost all credibility at the end when the journalist wrote his list of steps BA should do:

Mr Walsh: find Cruz’s replacement from a decent airline; I recommend Cathay, Singapore or Emirates. If not, do what Apple did and go to a top-class hotel chain. They know how to create a branded customer experience.

Cathay? Decent airline? Almost wet myself.

[Strewth]

Forbes Airline rankings 2017 (https://www.forbes.com/global2000/list/#industry:Airline)

Swires are dropping a billion a year, worth a punt on bods from Delta, American, Southwest or IAG.

[Flex88]

Cathay Pacific "execution chamber" parts III & IV (http://www.humanresourcesonline.net/more-job-cuts-at-cathay-pacific-including-in-hr/) Human Resources 240717

HKA Career (http://www.hongkongairlines.com/en_JP/career)

Rumor has it, confirmed by some obscure publication, that near another 150 were sacked on the 21st. Never made the local CX biased rags but then the "shhhhh don't talk about the sackings" mantra coming from the "People Dept" is working (this includes all their "new hires" ???)

Still to go, some very large departments have not yet paid the price for "Mismanagement" :D More sackings to follow - hopefully publicly.

[Liam Gallagher]

I couldn't resist clicking on the link on the HR website about the 32 year old (male) Safety Trainer allegedly groping the 34 year (male) trainee steward.

I have been going to Safety Classes for years and nobody has groped me. Is there something wrong with me? Should I wear a skimpy outfit next year? More Brut 33 perhaps? Is it the moobs or smell of failed marriages that scares them off?

[Strewth]

Delta, AF-KL, Virgin Atlantic, and China Eastern MEGADEAL (http://www.businessinsider.com/delta-airlines-air-france-deal-2017-7) Business Insider 280717

[Strewth]

Cathay Pigsty (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-04-12/big-challenges-ahead-for-cathay-pacific-s-new-head-video) Bloomberg 130417 Cathay Pacific Air China hookup (http://www.barrons.com/articles/cathay-pacific-is-a-merger-with-air-china-back-on-the-horizon-1501141935) Barron's 270717

You'd wanna sort out your Employee relations with new HR bods, upgage, increase and expand regional routes, codeshare, hire crew, lose the hedges and increase yields to get dollar first. Shame about the CC, effecting market share, yield and structural change. Mismanagement are on the clock.

[Strewth]

BA/ IAG restructuring, slot constraints, Brexit, ME3, LCC, Cabin crew strikes and stabby types, pounds depreciation, IT, baggage; never mind another billion since New Years. IAG Soars (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/07/28/british-airways-owner-iag-enjoys-soaring-profits-despite-heathrow/) Telegraph 280717

[Strewth]

Do not base expectations of future results on past performance. Why its time to (https://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2011/05/31/cathay-pacific-sticking-with-what-it-knows/) pay the butchers bill. (http://www.scmp.com/business/article/1954454/cathay-pacific-chairman-says-global-airlines-facing-consolidation-pressure)

[Strewth]

3b726feAhdU

No; it ain't just you! (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cathay-pacific-kingboard-chem-idUSKBN1AG05L) Reuters 310717

[Freehills]

And we have a saviour on the way!

New Cathay Pacific investor Kingboard urges shareholder Swire to lead airline out of ?hard times? | South China Morning Post (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/economy/article/2104674/new-investor-kingboard-urges-swire-get-involved-turning)

With experience running sweatshop factories in China, he's ideal for TTW!

[Strewth]

upD6cB9Rzvk

Will Horton, from CAPA Centre for Aviation, said it was “unclear what benefit” direct Swire involvement would yield. Two members of the family currently sit on the airline’s board. Seeing little merit in Kingboard’s suggestion, Horton said: “The situation is not the Swire family relaxing on a tea plantation outside Colombo oblivious to the seismic changes in Asian aviation.”

Cathay Needs Less Swire, Not More (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-31/cathay-needs-less-swire-not-more) Bloomberg 310717
However, Cheung said the airline’s financial health and business model remained sound despite the substantial losses arising from low oil prices.
Cheung maintained the company had a “future” and urged management to reverse the negative mindset of frontline staff amid job cuts.

[Trafalgar]

....png also noted Kingboard had no experience running an airline. Well, no problem then, welcome aboard. Can't do much worse than the 'experienced' managers we currently have. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

( and a word to the wise, you can see where this is rapidly going. Won't sell, won't sell, won't sell....SOLD!).

[Trafalgar]

And take a note of the comments in the linked article "cathay needs less swire, not more". And I quote: "Cathay is the most richly valued of the worlds major airlines". Try to remember that when this malignant lot of managers starts crying poor. Either you insist you are valued properly, or they will set your value for you (and you won't like it). Forewarned.

[Strewth]

Going... (https://theloadstar.co.uk/james-ginns-take-simon-large-cathay-pacific-cargo-director/) The Loadstar 260417

The change is expected on 1 June, after a period of transition. Mr Ginns has been at Cathay for 26 years, but this appears to be his first job on the cargo side.

Going... (http://www.aircargonews.net/news/airlines/single-view/news/cathay-pacific-axes-cargo-director-role-as-part-of-headquarter-cull.html) Air Cargo News 220517

The airline said cargo director designate, Ginns, will instead take up a UK-based role in the Cathay Pacific Group, meaning he has been moved on from the role before he had even started it.

Gone, but not really... (http://www.traveldailynews.asia/news/article/65701/cathay-pacific-announces-james-ginns) Travel Daily 030817

Moving back to the UK with his wife and four sons, James added: “The chance to return to the UK was perfect timing for us as a family; so I jumped at the opportunity given that my last spell with Cathay Pacific Europe was 24 years ago in Paris.”

[Trafalgar]

Moving back to the UK with his wife and four sons, James added: “The chance to return to the UK was perfect timing for us as a family; so I jumped at the opportunity given that my last spell with Cathay Pacific Europe was 24 years ago in Paris.”


Well, I for one am grateful and relieved that he and his family are going to be enjoying a proper life together in a first world country. :rolleyes: Surprised the Swire's didn't hold that posting for ransom....see what he would have given up to get it. Surely they don't want another happy employee....???

[Freehills]

Moving back to the UK with his wife and four sons, James added: “[I]The chance to return to the UK was perfect timing for us as a family; so I jumped at the opportunity given that my last spell with Cathay Pacific Europe was 24 years ago in Paris

Well, I for one am grateful and relieved that he and his family are going to be enjoying a proper life together in a first world country. :rolleyes: Surprised the Swire's didn't hold that posting for ransom....see what he would have given up to get it. Surely they don't want another happy employee....???

Well, to be fair he has taken a demotion from director to general manager in return for the basing

[Trafalgar]

Would expect nothing less. You can't expect to live a normal life without giving up all the value in your career. Them's the rules! (CX rules)

[Liam Gallagher]

Had to laugh at today's Friday Fibber. Lots of delays on the Freighter due to crewing issues (which is not particularly funny) but had a good chortle about the 14 hour delay due to a problem with the left hand seat.... no doubt the problem was there was no Captain to sit on it. :)

With the freight market doing well, you'd think the Company would be keen to resolve any outstanding issues with the 747 pilots (beyond some sprinkles of Illy coffee and a handful of curry flavoured air fresheners)

Time to win folks... time to win...

Ducking Pilots.

[Strewth]

Cathay Pacific outport "review" blueprints (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/economy/article/2105382/cathay-pacific-overseas-operations-be-affected-review) SCMP 040817

Tom Owen, the airline’s director of human resources, announced in the company’s in-house staff magazine: “We’re starting a comprehensive review of our outports – how they work with HQ (headquarters), which will have an impact on their own organisational structures.”

A source from Cathay Pacific familiar with the matter said: “We haven’t touched on the outports and the obvious next step, now that Hong Kong has been reorganised – how do we work with outports?

“We have to do a complete review first, and then we’ll have a blueprint of what needs to be reorganised to make the company more competitive and agile.”


Deep throat must be deep, hope old Ginns gonna be okay. Human resources appears to share no regard for how this "announcement" may effect Cathay Pacific outport staff, whilst others ponder the "announcement" cynics mumble share price. Bit thick or what but appears no one knows what's going on, I'm confused, how longs this all been going on.

[Time2Win]

Why do we still stay here if things are really that bad and the company is spiralling out of control? Shouldn't we jump ship?
Nah, let's all stay

[cxorcist]

Why do we still stay here if things are really that bad and the company is spiralling out of control? Shouldn't we jump ship?
Nah, let's all stay

That's the calculus! Throw away decades or go down with the ship?

[Shep69]

The place clearly suffers from 'Noman Disorder'

It's got 'no' men where the 'yes' men need to be and 'yes' men where the 'no' men need to be.

Women too.

[Time2Win]

It's because human beings don't like change.
And let's face it:
Why would a 777 Captain give up his 10 day job and a 30.000 US$ pay check ?
Senior Airbus folks see the light at the end of the tunnel with the A50.
All junior guys on those fleets are just waiting to get into those positions.
Which leaves us with the 747 fleet. But they are a minority so who cares ?

Exactly.

Unfortunately.

So why don't we all just go to work with lube in hand.
Collect our paychecks.
Stop posting ideas that never come to fruition on rumor boards.
Spend time with our loved ones.
Retire relatively happy.

[spleener]

I want that 10 day Job!
Time 2 whinge.

[Strewth]

Cathay manager/ photographer (http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour/584135-upskirts.html) Pprune 080916

Back in the game, benched or dropped?

[Strewth]

Simon Large is Director Customer of Cathay Pacific, responsible for managing brand, corporate communications, marketing communications, corporate affairs and loyalty programmes. Mr Large was previously Director Cargo, responsible for all aspects of the Group’s cargo business worldwide, including operations, marketing and sales; and prior to that General Manager Marketing, Loyalty Programmes & CRM. He joined the Swire group in 1991.

EU commission fines CX Cargo (http://www.scmp.com/business/article/2080394/european-commission-fines-cathay-pacific-eu57-million-cargo-surcharges) SCMP 200317

Anna Thompson took up the position of Director Flight Operations on 10 April 2015. Her previous post was General Manager Aircrew in Cathay Pacific’s Flight Operations Department.Ms Thompson joined the airline in 1990 and has held a wide range of managerial positions in Hong Kong and overseas. She was also seconded to Cathay Pacific subsidiary Air Hong Kong as Chief Operating Officer.

FAA Airmen inquiry (https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/)

FAA Airmen inquiry returns an Anna Louise Thompson student pilot 1991, if correct, this was deemed acceptable by the board, best candidate for Director of Flight Operations of an International Airline. I would question the reasoning, impact and worth of those responsible.

[Strewth]

Cathay's golden begging bowl (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-13/cathay-begging-with-a-golden-bowl-to-win-back-chinese-fliers) Bloomberg 140817 Cathay cost cutting (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/economy/article/2106720/cathay-may-be-pressed-cut-more-costs-estimated-hk12-billion) SCMP 150817

ME3 US/EU, even a stick has two ends, it'd pay Cathay to look both ways; East and West, South as well, Jane Hrdlicka may be interested, Golden era for tourism (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/jetstar-ceo-jane-hrdlicka-more-regulation-will-hurt-tourism/news-story/1870759c73867b7669ec43070a9eefb7); before heading North.

[goathead]

Exactly how much has CX paid in court fines in the last decade? Anyone got a tally?

[Strewth]

You had to ask, what I was doing, oh yeah nah gone... bugger.

[Strewth]

Market likes the strategy, shares up, done nothing.

[Avinthenews]

Can't even get an announcement out on time.

Clearly winning

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-16/cathay-pacific-airways-misses-afternoon-earnings-announcement

[kenfoggo]

On Time Performance = OTP . Delays. Anyone who flies with this airline knows about the constant delays so there should be no surprise that having said that they would announce the results at 12-00 they have been delayed until 16-30. Sounds about par for the course.

Time To Win!!

[rustyoldtin]

Aparently the person who normally files with the HKEx was fired, and ball was dropped lol

[Cunning_Stunt]

$2.05 billion loss. Yipe!!!!

[Average Fool]

I thought it was time to win.

Maybe that's delayed.

[Trafalgar]

That is what results from having the worlds 'finest' management. I smell a corporate con job of historic proportions. Moving money between subsidiaries, deliberately being overcharged by other Swire companies. Murky facts regarding fuel hedging, complete opacity and unaccountably from managers who have limited exposure to aviation. This is the end game for CX. Set up for sale. It will all seem so obvious a few years from now. If any of you harbour any hopes as to CX being the career airline of your dreams, you will soon be relieved of that delusion. It is simply CX/Swire using a manufactured crisis to accomplish more cost cutting. Either stand firm now, or lay down forever.

[Trafalgar]

We have no money. Oh wait, didn't we just purchase the rest of Air Hong Kong? Oh, didn't I see that the management awarded themselves pay raises just a few months ago? What about their bonuses? You can't make this kind of farce up if you tried. Takes a special kind of person to be a Swire manager. How do you live devoid of normal moral principles? An embarrassment in the industry, and will eventually be a business school case study on how to destroy a legacy carrier, just like Pan Am. Interesting how the rest of the industry is rolling in record profits. A sickening spectacle...on every level. RIP CX.

[Freehills]

Page 18 - fuel hedging cost 3,237m HKD.

Actually Trafalgar, I don't think it is a con job - they would have written down the aircraft (like QF did couple years back) if that is the case. I think they genuinely are like deer in the headlights, unable to comprehend what happened to their nice cosy quasi monopoly business

[Trafalgar]

So, the fuel hedging is single highhandedly bringing the entire airline down. One catastrophically stupid mistake has unwound 30 years of profits? Defies belief. And the only people to pay for it are the employees, who actually do their jobs properly. No accountability from management on any level. They are a disgrace and should all be fired for cause. Without the fuel hedging disaster, we would be highly profitable. The entire city of HK should be up in arms at the incompetence that has destroyed one of the signature company's in the industry. I now know what the pilots of Pan Am must have felt like all those years ago. Makes me sick. I hope that the managers stay locked in their offices. I don't want to lay eyes on a single one of them. Nauseating.

[goathead]

So Tragalgar
Have you resigned from training yet??

[Trafalgar]

...any comments on management Goat? Or do you think the trainers are a bigger problem than the manages who really are destroying the airline? Just asking.

[crwkunt roll]

I thought it was time to win.
We did. Biggest first half loss or something?

[Strewth]

Going the Torp (https://www.ausbt.com.au/cathay-pacific-ceo-bets-big-on-service) ABT 170817

Bijou retro, extra sausages, more pillows an stuff.

[Oval3Holer]

“They still believe they have this unique market position,” Shukor said about Cathay Pacific, Asia’s biggest international airline. “They don’t realize that the way things were done doesn’t work anymore. Their reluctance to change is very disturbing.”

[Avinthenews]

Swire will never have its name and the words low cost carrier mentioned in the same sentence, so while it keeps getting suggested, cannot!

[boofta]

Anna Louise Thompson FAA licence entry
https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/Main.aspx

She did hold a 3rd class medical, that would have clinched the job!
Cathay only recruits the best

[Strewth]

Old Ginns made it home to Blighty, speaking of which, Largy & Sutchy are off to take up new positions in Bombay.

All change, last stop, Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus (https://theloadstar.co.uk/change-cathay-pacific-cargo-sutch-goes-india/) Loadstar 070917