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Yakka
20th Apr 2017, 00:10
Hi All,

Just wondering if there is still a requirement to display your AOC. Can't find any mention of it in the regs

Cheers

sms777
20th Apr 2017, 08:58
I can't answer your question regarding regs but in todays aviation climate it is something you should be very proud of and it would not hurt to hang it on your office wall to show a bit of professionalism.
After all I am sure you are a professional........otherwise you would not be on Pprune......:E:E

Horatio Leafblower
20th Apr 2017, 10:04
We seem to assume that a GA operator can afford a wall big enough to hang 328 pages of A4 legalese bull**** to demonstrate his/her legal approval to conduct airpork operations in a C172 :rolleyes:

....and that any member of the general pubic actually could give a sh!t or bother to understand.

Lead Balloon
20th Apr 2017, 10:11
Regulation 53 of the Civil Aviation Regulations 1988:53 Display of certificates and epaulettes

(1) The holder of an air operator's certificate shall display a copy of the certificate:

(a) in a prominent place at the holder's primary place of business, and

(b) at the places and during the times directed by the Authority from time to time.

Penalty: 50 penalty units.

(2) An offence against subregulation (1) is an offence of strict liability.

(3) The holder of a commercial pilot's licence shall, when exercising the privileges of the licence, wear a shirt displaying at least one and no more than three epaulettes of a colour and dimensions as directed by the Authority from time to time.

Penalty: 50 penalty units.

(4) An offence against subregulation (3) is an offence of strict liability.

(5) The holder of an air transport pilot's licence shall, when exercising the privileges of the licence, wear a shirt displaying at least three and no more than four epaulettes of a colour and dimensions as directed by the Authority from time to time.

Penalty: 50 penalty units.

(6) An offence against subregulation (5) is an offence of strict liability.

Horatio Leafblower
20th Apr 2017, 10:20
Lead Balloon

Would you like to have more children?

I would like to offer myself to carry them.

You FUNNY!

Lead Balloon
20th Apr 2017, 11:20
Funny? We're talking safety here. There's no room for 'funny'.

john_tullamarine
20th Apr 2017, 11:39
Leaddie ... you're telling porky pies, again .....

Lead Balloon
20th Apr 2017, 11:42
What? I used quotes!

john_tullamarine
20th Apr 2017, 11:44
Blast and damnation, Moriarty ... I missed them altogether ... my most obsequious apologies, good sir ... (exits, stage left, muttering incomprehensibly) ...

Lead Balloon
20th Apr 2017, 11:50
No need to apologise in any way, sir. My-mistake-to-JT-mistake ratio is around 100:1.

We just need to use our best efforts to ensure that the AOC and epaulette display rules are understood.

Flying Bear
20th Apr 2017, 11:57
Horatio,

Wow, an image so horrible I think I need to stab my eyeballs out with a plastic spoon.

Under NO circumstances are you to offer yourself to bear another's child...

Dare I ask Leadie's guidance regarding legislation concerning the display of wings and other badges??

badges, badges, badges...

Lead Balloon
20th Apr 2017, 12:01
Interesting you ask that question.

The absence of outcomes-based rules on the display of wings and other insignia is, in my view, a substantial risk to the safety of air navigation. Hopefully this will be addressed in a MOS.

Styx75
20th Apr 2017, 12:13
Had no idea bars had to be worn when doing commercial ops. Guessing that means i cant wear my polo when the weathers been to bad to wash my whites. At least theres no regs about having to wear a clean shirt :p

gerry111
20th Apr 2017, 13:22
Well that needs to be immediately regulated, Styx75.

Your oily shirt may be a source of spontaneous combustion.

compressor stall
20th Apr 2017, 20:43
Still laughing at CAR 53 above, but looking at the OPs question literally has me curious. I was alway under the impression that it was regulated somewhere as it's the sort of thing CASA would regulate. But sitting in a hotel room I've been looking - more out of curiosity- but b#ggered if I can find it in a reg or MOS etc.

Blueyonda
20th Apr 2017, 21:33
I looked at an old instrument and it only made reference to cao82. I would have thought if it was required to be displayed by law that governing law should also be included on the instrument of approval.

Dangly Bits
21st Apr 2017, 00:52
There is no regulation that requires you to wear shoes either!

Lead Balloon
21st Apr 2017, 05:26
I told you so:INSTRUMENT NUMBER: CASA 672/2001

CIVIL AVIATION ACT 1988

CIVIL AVIATION REGULATIONS 1988

DIRECTIONS UNDER REGULATION 53

I, BRUCE BYRON, Director of Aviation Safety, issue the following directions under regulation 53 of the Civil Aviation Regulations.

DISPLAY OF AIR OPERATORS CERTIFICATES

1. For the purposes of paragraph 53(1)(b) of the Civil Aviation Regulations, a copy of an air operators certificate must be displayed:

(a) on the inside of each passenger window of each aircraft being operated under the authority of the certificate;

(b) on the inside door of each lavatory in ground-based facilities occupied by or under the control of the holder of the certificate; and

(c) in braille format at each of the places specified in paragraphs 1(a) and 1(b) of this instrument.

DISPLAY OF EPAULETTES

2. For the purposes of subregulations 53(3) and 53(5) of the Civil Aviation Regulations, epaulettes must be:

(a) within 6 to 12 millimetres (inclusive) wide;

(b) within 45 to 65 millimetres (inclusive) long;

(c) in cases in which more than one epaulette is being displayed - spaced no further than 8 millimetres apart from the immediately adjacent epaulette;

(d) coloured gold or silver, with a reflectivity index of “Nightclub Visible”; and

(e) fire resistant in accordance with Australian Standard (AS) 1940-1993.

Note: Failure to comply with these directions is a strict liability offence, with a penalty of 50 penalty units.

[SIGNED BRUCE BYRON]

no_one
21st Apr 2017, 05:33
Isn't there an exemption to the instrument? Or has the exemption expired?

Lead Balloon
21st Apr 2017, 05:36
There is, of course, a standard exemption to these requirements. I will see if I can track down a copy.

Lead Balloon
21st Apr 2017, 05:52
Here it is:Instrument number CASA EX10592/16

I, MARK SKIDMORE, Director of Aviation Safety, make this instrument under regulation 11.160 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998 (CASR 1998).

[Signed MARK SKIDMORE]

Exemption – Civil Aviation Regulations 1988 regulation 53 Instrument 672/2001 – display of air operators certificates and epaulettes

1 Commencement

This instrument:

(a) commences on the day after registration; and

(b) is repealed at the end of 31 May 2019.

2 Definition

In this instrument:

Instrument means Civil Aviation Regulations 1988 regulation 53 Instrument 672/2001 – display of air operators certificates and epaulettes

Note: For the avoidance of doubt, Instrument does not mean this instrument.

3 Application

This instrument applies to persons subject to the Instrument.

Note: This instrument, therefore, applies to holders of air operators certificates and wearers of epaulettes.

4 Exemptions

(1) The persons mentioned in section 3 of this instrument are exempt from compliance with the Instrument, subject to compliance with the condition mentioned in section 5 of this instrument.

5 Condition

The exemption mentioned in section 4 of this instrument is subject to the condition mentioned in Schedule 1 of this instrument.

Schedule 1 Condition

The exemption mentioned in section 4 of this instrument, which has the effect of exempting persons from compliance with the Instrument, is subject to the condition that the person otherwise bound by the Instrument has read this far in this instrument without:

(a) pulling his or her hair out; or

(b) in the case of a person who is bald – uttering an expletive.

Note: A person will also be required to comply with the requirements of Subpart 1432.Q of CASR 1998 if those requirements apply to the person.

LeadSled
21st Apr 2017, 07:55
Lead Balloon,
Wonderful, absolutely wonderful, and like Bill Leak cartoons, far too close to the truth for comfort.
Tootle pip!!