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fantom
17th Apr 2017, 12:35
BBC reporting a crash near a supermarket in Portugal. Lisbon. No further details.
rugmuncher
17th Apr 2017, 12:55
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=plane+crash+portugal&tbm=nws
Just outside of Lisbon, into a LIDL.
Tigger4Me
17th Apr 2017, 13:13
A Piper PA-31T on Swiss reg. Came down shortly after take off from Tires. Sadly a fifth person on the ground now declared dead. He was the driver of a lorry making a delivery to Lidl. A witness stated the a/c was climbing out of Tires when there was an explosion and it came straight down.
sitigeltfel
17th Apr 2017, 18:36
An orthopedic surgeon and his wife have been named as two of the crash victims. He was renowned for his work with top sportsmen.
Jean-Pierre Franceschi, célèbre chirurgien orthopédiste à Marseille, tué dans un crash d'avion au Portugal | La Provence (http://www.laprovence.com/actu/en-direct/4411265/jean-pierre-franceschi-celebre-chirurgien-orthopediste-a-marseille-tue-dans-un-crash-davion-au-portugal.h)
20milesout
18th Apr 2017, 11:02
ATC recording (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICSVojSQG7U)
Hotel Tango
18th Apr 2017, 22:32
I wonder why the "Hotel Tango India turn right immediately" TX from the tower? Potential conflict? Did the PA-31 stall as a consequence?
An immediate turn doesn't lead to a stall.
Asymmetric flap situation or incorrect flap setting for take off or engine malfunction or incorrect fuel tank selection can lead to a stall/spin scenario.
Tigger4Me
18th Apr 2017, 22:59
At 22 sec in twr instruct "after departure right turn to intercept 330."
According to a witness, shortly after t/o there was an explosion and the a/c veered left and came down. At this point the twr were unaware of the problem and presumably the instruction to "turn right immediately" was because they were enforcing the original departure info. Another a/c then informed twr of the accident.
Hotel Tango
18th Apr 2017, 23:06
Fair enough. I thought that a tight turn at fairly low speed immediately after take-off could also lead to a stall/spin scenario. In any case, having just seen the location of the LIDL supermarket, it is clear that the a/c veered to the left (instead of the instructed right turn onto radial 330), hence ATC making that "turn right immediately" TX.
Edit: Tiger4Me you posted as I was typing.
rightbank
19th Apr 2017, 08:42
when there was an explosion
Some similarities to this one
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/542302c2ed915d1374000b53/Piper_PA-31_Navajo__G-LYDD_10-91.pdf
AAKEE
20th Apr 2017, 10:39
Some similarities to this one
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/542302c2ed915d1374000b53/Piper_PA-31_Navajo__G-LYDD_10-91.pdf
If there at all was an explosion in air ?
Witness may remember wrong ?
A/C in linked report had reciprocating engines and used avgas fuel. This was a turbine A/C using jet fuel.