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AlfonsoBonzo
3rd Apr 2017, 11:42
Does anyone know what the latest is regarding external load work in Europe/EASA? Is there a formal requirement for a sling rating?

hueyracer
3rd Apr 2017, 12:16
There is no "sling rating".

Sling load is covered in EASA Part-SPO (Special Operations).

https://www.easa.europa.eu/document-library/acceptable-means-of-compliance-and-guidance-materials/part-spo-amc-gm

Hughes500
3rd Apr 2017, 12:28
There is a proposal that there will be one but it is down to the operator but broken originally into 5 areas
HASLO 1 line <20m
HASLO 2 line > 20 m
HASLO 3 Forestry
HASLO 4 Construction
HASLO 5 heavy lift > 1.5 tonne

HASLO 5 been withdrawn
to become qualified in
HASLO1 10 hours instruction 100 cycles and on it goes

To be an instructor 500 hours of lifting plus more than 1000 cycles
This is what you need to look at
06_Eric Bennett EASA_PCDS HEC HESLO (1).pdf

AlfonsoBonzo
3rd Apr 2017, 14:12
Thanks for the info.

Hughes500 - Where can I read this - 06_Eric Bennett EASA_PCDS HEC HESLO (1).pdf . I am not that good at navigating the EASA website...

Hughes500
3rd Apr 2017, 14:40
EASA helicopter operations rulemaking
Eric BENNETT
Air Operations Rulemaking Officer
PCDS HEC HESLO UPDATE
TE.GEN.00409-001
Rulemaking (Air Operations):
HEC, HESLO operations: Opinion to be published Q1 2017
Personnel Carrying Device Systems (PCDS) used in HEC.
Simple PCDS no longer required to be airworthiness approved
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HEC, HESLO operations: Opinion to be published Q1 2017
HEC/ HESLO
HEC/HESLO categories to be simplified HEC/HESLO instructor criteria to be simplified Increased focus on flight training.
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HESLO TRAINING
HESLO TRAINING
Current
Proposed
Experience required
Before starting training
Before end of training
Theoretical training
Yes
Yes
Practical training
Not required
• Dual control
• Supervision from cockpit,
• Supervision from ground
Checking
Not required
Yes (but no recurrent checking)
HESLO instructor
• 500 hours in the HESLO category
• Experienced as FI/TRI
• •
500 hours HESLO + Qualified and 10 hours in the HESLO category Experienced as SPO instructor prior to 21/4/17
OR
‘teaching and learning’ module
of FI/TRI
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HESLO CATEGORIES
HESLO CATEGORIES
Current
Proposed
HESLO 1
Short line <20m
Short line <20m
HESLO 2
Long line >20m
Long line >20m
HELSO 3
Logging
Specialised HESLO
Long list of activities...
HESLO 4
Construction
Advanced HESLO
tower erecting, wire stringing, disassembly of masts and tower
HESLO 5
Heavy lift (>1,5T)
Deleted
HESLO 1 and 2 training can now take place in short succession HESLO 1 and 2: Minimum practical training defined.
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HESLO 1 training
HESLO 1
 CPL(H) or ATPL(H)
 PPL(H) only for non-commercial operations
 Minimum 300 hours PIC (H)
 Minimum 10 hours PIC on type
 Type rating completed
 HESLO ground instruction completed
 Task specialist syllabus reviewed
 HESLO 1 flight instruction completed: Minimum 5 hours/50
HESLO cycles
 HESLO 1 flights under supervision completed.
 Minimum experience 8 hours/80 HESLO cycles / 5 HESLO
missions
 Minimum 300 hours PIC(H) 
HESLO 1 proficiency
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HESLO 2 training
HESLO 2
 CPL(H) or ATPL(H)
 PPL(H) only for non-commercial operations
 HESLO level 1 completed
 Type rating completed
 Minimum 10 hours PIC on type
 HESLO 2 ground instruction completed
 Task specialist syllabus reviewed
 Minimum 500 HESLO1 100 HESLO cycles
 HESLO 2 flight instruction completed: Minimum 2
hours/20 HESLO cycles with long line
 HESLO 2 flights under supervision completed
 Minimum experience 5 hours/50 HESLO 2 cycles / 5
HESLO 2 missions
 HESLO 2 proficiency
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HESLO 3 training
HESLO 3
 CPL(H) or ATPL(H)
 PPL(H) only for non-commercial operations
 HESLO level 1 completed to 20m
 Min. 500 HESLO cycles
 Type rating completed
 Minimum 10 hours PIC on type
 HESLO 3 ground instruction completed
 Task specialist syllabus reviewed
 Practical Task specialist training for logging
 HESLO 3 flight instruction completed
 HESLO 3 flights under supervision completed 
HESLO 3 proficiency
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HESLO 4 training
HESLO 4
 CPL(H) or ATPL(H)
 PPL(H) only for non-commercial operations
 Minimum 1 000 hours (H)
 HESLO level 2 or 3 completed
 Minimum 3 000 2 000 HESLO cycles
 Type rating completed
 Minimum 10 hours PIC on type
 HESLO 4 ground instruction completed
 Practical load preparation training
 HESLO 4 flight instruction completed
 HESLO 4 flights under supervision completed
 HESLO 4 proficiency
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HESLO instructor
(f) HESLO instructor
The HESLO instructor should be assigned by the operator on the basis of the following: (1) the HESLO instructor for pilots should :
(i) be suitably qualified as determined by the operator and have a minimum experience of 500 hours HESLO; operations in the appropriate HESLO level on which instruction is to be provided
(ii) have at least 10 hours HESLO experience as unsupervised PIC in the appropriate
HESLO level on which instruction, supervision and proficiency assessments are to
be provided; and
have attended the ‘teaching and learning’ part of the flight instructor or type rating instructor training, or have had an experience as an aerial work instructor prior to
21 April 2017
(iii)
or type rating instructor training;
as well as experience in instructing according to the flight instructor
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HESLO Mountain experience
(i) Prior to commencing training:
(A) 300 hours helicopter flight experience as PIC, which should be increased to 500 hours experience as PIC for mountain operations; and
(iii) Before acting as unsupervised PIC:
(A) For HELSO 1, 300 hours helicopter flight experience as PIC; and
(4)
(F) At least 20 hours gained in an operational environment similar to
environment of intended operation (desert, sea, jungle, mountains, etc.).
Pilot proficiency: Before acting as unsupervised PIC, pilot proficiency has been assessed as sufficient for the intended operations and environment under the relevant HESLO
type, by a HESLO instructor nominated by the operator.
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HESLO: CHANGING HELICOPTER TYPES
(iii)
Before acting as unsupervised PIC:
(CE) For HESLO 3 and 4, 1530 hours on the helicopter type, performing HESLO 1 and 2 operations. Where a pilot has accomplished 50 hours in HESLO 1 and 2 operations, the 30 hours experience on the helicopter type may be reduced to 15 hours.
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CRM for HESLO and HEC task specialists
Introduced as such
(e) Task specialists
Before acting as task specialist, he/she should demonstrate to the operator that he/she has been trained appropriately and has the required skill and knowledge.
(1) Initial training
(i) The initial training of task specialists should include at least:
(3) Briefing of task specialists
(K) for task specialists seated in the cockpit and whose tasks are to assist the pilot, the
relevant CRM training elements as specified in ORO.FC.115.
(iv) for a task specialists who has not received the relevant elements of CRM training
as specified in ORO.FC.115, the operator’s crew coordination concept including
relevant elements of crew resource management.
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HEC CATEGORIES
HEC CATEGORIES
Current
Proposed
HEC 1
Short line <25m Altitude < 3000m
Short line <25m
HEC 2
25m < line < 50m
Altitude between 3000 and 3500m
Long line >25m
HEC 3
Line > 50m Altitude >3500m
Deleted
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(ii)
(iii)
Pilot experience prior to commencing the training:
(A) 1 000 hours helicopter flight experience as PIC, of which 500h should be gained in mountainous areas for training in mountain operations;
Pilot experience prior to commencing unsupervised HEC flights:
(A) HEC flight instruction completed.
(B) 1 000 hours helicopter flight experience as PIC
(D) for HEC 2, HESLO type 2 completed
Pilot proficiency prior to commencing unsupervised HEC flights:
HEC TRAINING AND MOUNTAIN EXPERIENCE
(3)
(C) for mountain operations, 500h flight experience as PIC in mountain
operations.
pilot proficiency has been assessed as sufficient for the intended operations and
environment under the relevant HEC level, by a HEC instructor nominated by the operator.
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HEC INSTRUCTOR
(ii) HEC instructor:
The HEC instructor should be assigned by the operator on the basis of the following:
(A) the HEC instructor for pilots should:
- hold or have held flight instructor rating and should have a minimum experience of 100 cycles in HEC operations in the appropriate HEC level
on which instruction is to be provided; and
(B) the HEC instructor for task specialists should be suitably qualified as determined by the operator and have at least 2 years of experience in HEC operations as a task specialist.
at
HEC levels equal or greater to that
, supervision and
proficiency assessments are
- have attended the ‘teaching and learning’ part of the flight instructor or type rating instructor training, or have had an experience as an aerial work
instructor prior to 21 April 2017
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Spunk
3rd Apr 2017, 15:54
What Hughes500 is trying to say: we are running out of approved longline pilots pretty soon😝

newfieboy
3rd Apr 2017, 16:01
Oh goody.....
I got over 10,000 longline, Brit passport CAA, FAA and Canadian licences. Shouldn't mind a part time job on me time off. Paid vacation back to Europe. What's not to like....:ok:

paco
3rd Apr 2017, 16:37
I've got a HUGE tub of Timmy's in the kitchen - better get here quick! :)

phil

newfieboy
3rd Apr 2017, 17:00
Damn you Phil, now I'm tempted. Unfortunately stuck in a gold mine flying support for five drills, kinda busy right now, what with crew changes, slinging core, fuel, drill rod etc. Food good, but coffee here does suck.....thanks anyways I'll bear that in mind end of tour.....:ok:

Apate
3rd Apr 2017, 17:23
Companies can submit their own AltMOC for approval by their NAA. The current AMC/GM requirements are way OTT.

Hughes500
3rd Apr 2017, 17:46
Well interestingly UK CAA is not going to approve or even look at manuals as companies sign a declaration saying they have a manual and do everything properly. Even down to the trainer can be approved by the company !!!
Basically you almost need an AOC manual for aerial work with supplements explaining what and how you do the various sections of aerial work e.g. parachuting, lifting , line patrol etc etc :ugh:

staticsource
3rd Apr 2017, 19:16
Well interestingly UK CAA is not going to approve or even look at manuals as companies sign a declaration saying they have a manual and do everything properly. Even down to the trainer can be approved by the company !!!
Basically you almost need an AOC manual for aerial work with supplements explaining what and how you do the various sections of aerial work e.g. parachuting, lifting , line patrol etc etc :ugh:

Yes, but if you're classed as commercial high risk then you require a high risk authorisation HRA issued by the CAA prior to you starting the operation - unless something has changed?? And by the looks of things, the CAA is pretty much classing most activities as high risk.

If you apply for an HRA then the CAA want to see your SOPs and your organisation management system oro.gen.200 - effectively wanting to see your manual, if you decide to go that way.

That's the way I've understood it - not a huge amount of guidance available.

Hughes500
3rd Apr 2017, 19:41
Well my ops inspector views high risk as things that would involve people getting hurt if things went wrong. Such as lifting in the middle of London. Normal lifting jobs is normal !!!!
Agree with the guidance, do enough to hang yourself !

hueyracer
4th Apr 2017, 05:17
I am really considering sending my EASA license back and only use one of my other licenses.....

EASA is completely going nuts-not a single pilot in there, not a single person with common sense.....they are destroying the little bit of helicopter industry remaining in Europe...

staticsource
4th Apr 2017, 13:39
I feel your pain hueyracer! The freedom has all but gone:(

Interesting comments hughes500, I've heard mixed comments from the CAA and there seems to be different interpretations of the rules within the CAA.........oh well I'll wait and see what they come back with my Dec and HRA:confused: