Lipican Aer

[LGS6753]

This Slovenian operator is showing on ACL slot reports for both Birmingham and Luton, using 33 seat aircraft.

The Birmingham thread includes a post to the effect that they will be operating Waterford services, which makes sense.

Their website shows pictures of a Saab 340 S5-BBS, described as a 33-34 seater, but currently without windows, in cargo configuration.

Does anyone know more about this operator? It's a bit late for an untested, unknown operator to start ops in a few weeks' time between two third countries. Or is Lipican Aer operating on someone else's behalf?

[darren1]

Has any operator been able to make Waterford work?

[AerRyan]

Not since the motorway, and I doubt any operator will be able to in the future.

[01475]

I guess we don't know if VLM were making it work, as other events took over.

However I'd suggest it's a route that needs an airline people will feel able to trust to deliver some stability, and that an unheard of Slovenian airline with an unpronounceable name and no other passenger routes isn't the perfect fit.

[LAX_LHR]

Also applied for 4 weekly MAN and daily LTN.

[Flightrider]

I suspect they will be acting as an ACMI provider to Firnas Airways, which states that it wants to become the UK's third long-haul full service airline but will start on routes from London and Birmingham to Waterford....

[01475]

A crowd-funded airline?

Err... yay?

[The 5Q]

A crowd-funded airline?

Err... yay?

Flights from Waterford are not connected with Firnas Airways.

[01475]

Thank goodness!

[A320.b744]

Flights from Waterford are not connected with Firnas Airways.

Are you sure, because it says on the Firnas Airways website that they plan to launch Waterford to Birmingham and London flights from this April. Seems highly unlikely that two airlines would be interested in commencing the same flights to Waterford at the same time.

[LAX_LHR]

But Lipican are also interested in MAN and not aware of firnas looking there. The Lipican flights will also be marketed under a 'Aer Southeast' brand, wonder if that's the actual start up as seen as Lipican seem to be an AMCI airline?

[The 5Q]

Are you sure, because it says on the Firnas Airways website that they plan to launch Waterford to Birmingham and London flights from this April. Seems highly unlikely that two airlines would be interested in commencing the same flights to Waterford at the same time.

Im sure ...

[VickersVicount]

'aer' today, gone tomorrow...

[SWBKCB]

it says on the Firnas Airways website that they plan to launch Waterford to Birmingham and London flights

from the Firnas Airways website - sounds like a plan... :ok:

we will service unserved or underserved UK and European routes – such as London and Birmingham to Waterford Ireland – we expect these routes to be an instant success since we are the only operator in these sectors.

[01475]

If being the only operator on a route is so closely connected with instant success, it makes you wonder where all the other airlines that have been in this situation have been going wrong!

[AerRyan]

That's quite funny :)

Based on that logic, I could start a route from Knock to Tokyo tomorrow and be successful, just because I've the market to myself :)

You'd think an airline of all figures wouldn't make such a strange and illogical statement.

[jensdad]

A bit of a contrived name, but 10 out of 10 for inventiveness - Lipizzaner (which might just about sound like 'Lipican Aer' depending on your accent) being a famous breed of horse used by the Spanish Riding School, originally native to Slovenia. Sorry for going OT. :8

[01475]

Well, it's not actually an airline. And I suspect it never will be.

The logic, however, is disturbingly similar to that of the (other) people that want to operate Slovenia - China.

Clever name :-) Would have never realised!

[Harry Wayfarers]

Is this the same SF340 operator that was recently escorted in to BHX by a couple of Eurofighters?

[CCGE29]

No, different company.

[All names taken]

Sounds like a 6th Form college kids' project.
Even if it isn't, I'm reminded of that old adage 'the best way to make a small fortune in the airline business is to start with a big one'.

Why would anyone buy a ticket from an unknown airline with an unpronounceable name that may or may not be in existence by the time you want to fly?
The alternative is much easier...drive up one of the nicest and emptiest motorways in Europe to Dublin and take your pick from endless schedules to anywhere at probably a third of the price.

[Harry Wayfarers]

The alternative is much easier...drive up one of the nicest and emptiest motorways in Europe to Dublin and take your pick from endless schedules to anywhere at probably a third of the price.

You could say the same about Gloucester to IOM but, apparently, it works.

It's not all about filling Airbus's, Boeing's and the larger Embraer's, there's still a cottage industry out there with livings to be made out of.

an unpronounceable name

Remember, it's only the Irish that speak pure English ... Everybody else speaks it with a funny accent :)

[01475]

You could say the same about Gloucester to IOM but, apparently, it works.

But does it really? It seems capable of working, but it hasn't *actually* worked for anyone that's done it.

[Fried_Chicken]

I take this planned venture came to nothing or are there still plans for the "airline" to launch?

[CCGE29]

They do seem to have a website, though very basic.

Aersoutheast (http://aersoutheast.com/)

[Porky Speedpig]

very basic. Nice pic of an A320 though.

[78Whiskey]

I take this planned venture came to nothing or are there still plans for the "airline" to launch?

Still being sorted, takes time.. Soon. :ok:

[The 5Q]

Lipican Aer = Aer Southeast = 2+2=5 :=

[01475]

Nice GoDaddy website. Who is Einar Adalsteinsson in the aviation industry?

[j636]

Not directly related but VLM just last week have received an Slovenian AOC.

[El Bunto]

They do seem to have a website, though very basic.

Aersoutheast (http://aersoutheast.com/)

Picking through 146kB of Javascript junk gives a lead to the admin contact @skytruckers.com which in turn is registered by the same Einar Adalsteinsson who also has toppflug.com under his belt, though with no content.

Seems to be hedging his bets a bit!

[s_insania]

LipicanAer did operate a former Solinair Saab but that is now with Airest. They operate a feeder freight route between Ljubljana and Sarajevo using a Flightline-BCN Metro

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Reported LTN will resume/announced within weeks and be under a Danish operator as first reported before Christmas.

[fjencl]

So who is the Danish operator and where will the aircraft be based at...........

[AerRyan]

Waterford.

[Angeltransportpjcts]

'How To Start An Airline' about Firnas Airlines has been aired in the UK on Channel 4 ... Left me wondering if this should have actually been called 'How Not To Start An Airline' instead!

I urge people who read this and didn't see the documentary to watch it now it is available via All 4 (catch up) and see why I was left thinking this for themselves. It's one of the most stark and deluded 'cart before horse' account of what not to do in aviation. Much of which would actually be thought of as more 'common sense' matters than ones which require input from a (now probably embarrassed) 'well known' aviation industry expert.

For example as the executive team of two are negotiating route start and finish locations they ask for down payments of £200,000 in one case. Erm ... I asked a stone for some blood once and it didn't say anything back to me! Pig flew over at that point and distracted me from trying to ask it again. When I bothered to research my new route to hell I was informed that it had frozen over and was closed to all traffic! I mean ... KEEP IT REAL? No chance!

This outfit is the circus which reincarnated a 1987-build Jetstream 31 as '2-LCXO' and flew a bunch of crowd funders on some godforsaken trip up the garden path out of Bomo. 'Hurn' as they refer to it as - BOH? But these crowd funders have parted with around £384,000 according to the end of the documentary. Morons ... They will never see that again I'm pretty sure!

Finally was I seeing things or has 'London Manston Airport' as now closed to traffic been replaced with 'London Ashford Airport' ... Or Lydd as I still call it today! London? ASHFORD??! It's nearly sixty miles away!!! I mean come on. Is this the preserve of somebody's overdose of 'X Men III: The Last Stand' and Patrick Stewart's character plonking the Golden Gate Bridge a mile to the west so Vinny Jones's character who hates swimming can get to Alcatraz??! Sounds like codswallop? I agree!!!

[01475]

I think you've posted in the wrong thread :-) You're looking for https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/610059-finas-airways.html

[dc9-32]

Not the wrong thread. Neither will get off the ground so there is a connection.

[Soaring95]

I see they are now flying in Norway - wet lease for Air Leap - how are their employment contracts agreements?