Jetstar Cadet mid 2017 Intake

[mkqq]

Hello all,

I am currently applying for the Jetstar Cadet 2017 Intake. Reading a lot on these forums I am seeing a lot potentially scary pitfalls but I've decided to apply anyway, see how far I go, and figure it out from there.

Before University I really wanted to train to be a pilot, but simply did not have the finances. Now I'm just turned 29, and having worked a few years in engineering, I have saved up just enough to pay for the $145k training cost.

Just a few things I want to get some opinions on if possible:

1 - Would Jetstar consider 29 to be too old?

2 - While Jetstar says zero aviation experience required, would they really consider someone with zero experience?

3 - The cost for phase 1 is $145k. Is there a cost for phase 2 (type endorsement)?

4 - The information booklet says employment is not guaranteed. I understand that they have to put this clause in there, but I'm wondering out of all the previous cadets what percentage of them ended up without jobs and why?

5 - Would they start the type endorsement asap after 18 months? I've also read that some cadets had to wait a long time for it.

Would be good if I can get some info. My plan is to submit the best application I can and figure it out or decided as I go.

Many thanks

[Airbus A320321]

1: no, there have been cadets in their 30's go through the course
2: yep, zero aviation experience required, however a trial introductory at a minimum flight shows that you're keen.
3: phase 2 is the type rating, paid for by the company no debt to yourself
4: All cadets that have successfully completed the course are now employed as either first or second officers
5: Not necessarily, it depends on when they need you to start. Some are lucky and get to do their type rating straight away. Others have had to wait, up to 12-18 months

[Lookleft]

mkqq based on what you have stated in your post you would be an excellent candidate for cadet. Being a bit older and having another skill set would be an advantage rather than a disadvantage. Having flown with a lot of the Jetstar cadets my experience has been that cadets with similar backgrounds to yours are easier to fly with on the line.

Best of luck with your application.

[mkqq]

Sorry I didn't realise my threaded ended in up this section of the forum.

Thanks for the positive responses. I'm actually doing an introductory flight this coming Saturday. Planning to submit the application this weekend as well.

[AirBumps]

I'm going to apply too. I'm 'mature age' (a few years senior to the OP) and although I've heard the downsides to the cadetship I believe nothing ventured nothing gained. I've got my PPL and a several hundred hours ... something in me expects that to be seen as a bad thing :(

[The name is Porter]

Hang on, hang on airbumps, you had exceptional training on that PPL ;)

[AirBumps]

Ha! I expect once they hear who trained me they'll offer me a job in the left seat!

[kathy jones]

HI

Just wondering those who have applied the program receive any invitation for the assessment ?

Cheers

[log0008]

Yes today. Also does anyone have any tips for the SAT test?

[mkqq]

I also got an invite to attend the SAT.

I'm in a state of panic now as the latest date on the list is 18th April, but it is sold out. Unfortunately as I don't live in Melbourne the 18th is the earliest I can get there.

Will they arrange further dates?

I spoke to CAE today regarding another question and I was told that it just has to be "late April". The previous email also advises that the latest date the invitations will be sent out is the 20th April, hence it doesn't make sense to have the last day as the 18th.

Desperately hoping there will further dates!

[AirBumps]

I got an email earlier in the week saying your application is being processed but am yet to hear anything further. The email also stated offers would be sent out until the 20th of April.

I only submitted my application on Monday.

[mkqq]

Anyone heard anything back from the SAT? I suppose if you were successful in the SAT you'll get the invite this week as the next phase starts on the 1st May which is next week.

The last SAT session was on Thursday last week.

[CIH]

Anyone doing part 2 of the SAT Thursday the 4th?

[nightaye]

Hey CIH,

Have you heard back since the part 2?

[nightaye]

And to add, feel free to contact me via my email on my profile.

[CIH]

Hey CIH,

Have you heard back since the part 2?

Sent you an email.

[a3222222]

Anyone keen to share whether or not they got through to the Jetstar Panel Interview?

[notabove500]

There's been people accepted into the program. The rest will just have to wait for the successful applicants to accept before the rejections are sent out.

[a3222222]

I was also a part of the part 2 held at Oxford CAE and haven't heard back yet. For those of you who are wondering about this course in regard to the next intake (2018), don't be too disheartened if they say no to you. Again, like many users on pprune who've applied for other cadetships and QF or JQ DE jobs- God knows what they want, so don't take it as a reflection or commentary of you as a person or your ability.

Here are my observations from this entire testing process:
ADAPT test is a fair tool to assess the suitability of an individual towards a career as a pilot. It comprises of sections on mathematics, physics, logic/psychometric, flight sim and behavioural questionnaire.
Most parts were challenging however the mathematics part was extremely elementary and not what I was expecting.
One of the questions were HOW MANY HOURS IN 3 DAYS. You've got to be kidding me right?

Part Two of the testing was a bunch of group activities and individual interviews.

Was I disappointed in the entire process? Yes.
Instead of an emphasis on skill, problem solving, the ability to stay calm under pressure and logic, there was too much of an emphasis on how you get along with others, even if they're wrong as hell.

Be prepared for a lot of TELL US ABOUT A TIME WHEN...
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[Jabberwocky82]

Even though I agree with this, as it is very true indeed; For those of you who are wondering about this course in regard to the next intake (2018), don't be too disheartened if they say no to you... so don't take it as a reflection or commentary of you as a person or your ability.

Is this not one of the most important bits to make a conducive working environment?
Instead of an emphasis on skill, problem solving, the ability to stay calm under pressure and logic, there was too much of an emphasis on how you get along with others , even if they're wrong as hell.

[j3pipercub]

A3222,

Sounds like the Jetstar Cadetship is a bit low brow for you. Have you thought about applying for the Mars One Mission?

[CIH]

The strangest thing about the whole process was being told at the part 2 assessment that 'your aviation experience has no bearing on today' (or words to that effect) and 'aviation experience will give you no advantage over other candidates.

Perhaps they just said that to create the impression of a level playing field for people with 0 flying hours. Or perhaps CAE truly did not care for any of your aviation experience.

Seems rather odd to me. 'Hi, we're interviewing you for a role as a pilot but we don't care about your experience as a pilot.'

[Airbus A320321]

The strangest thing about the whole process was being told at the part 2 assessment that 'your aviation experience has no bearing on today' (or words to that effect) and 'aviation experience will give you no advantage over other candidates.

Perhaps they just said that to create the impression of a level playing field for people with 0 flying hours. Or perhaps CAE truly did not care for any of your aviation experience.

Seems rather odd to me. 'Hi, we're interviewing you for a role as a pilot but we don't care about your experience as a pilot.'

It's an Ab Initio cadet program. They're assessing your soft skills (teamwork, communication, stress management...) to see if you have these basic attributes to become an effective part of an airline flight crew.

Having 5, 10, 20... hours now won't make much difference by the time you get checked to line.

[CIH]

It's an Ab Initio cadet program. They're assessing your soft skills (teamwork, communication, stress management...) to see if you have these basic attributes to become an effective part of an airline flight crew.

Having 5, 10, 20... hours now won't make much difference by the time you get checked to line.

I agree with you as far as flying hours are concerned. Although outside of your flying hours, your other aviation experience should certainly be relevant. School studies, experiences, exposure to the industry, volunteer work etc. Apparently all disregarded.

[DogDaysAreOver]

I agree with you as far as flying hours are concerned. Although outside of your flying hours, your other aviation experience should certainly be relevant. School studies, experiences, exposure to the industry, volunteer work etc. Apparently all disregarded.

Where did you hear this from?

I applied for the program and everyone I met was studying something aviation related (eg dual degree in aviation and business, or had some flight hours) or involved in aviation in some other form (baggage handlers and flight attendants).

[frostyvb14]

Got my SAT/ADAPT test coming up soon.
Can anyone give me a rundown of what it contains other than what it lists on their website? Like some example questions if you remember any?

[wes94]

In regards to the SAT testing, I never did physics; and my maths knowledge while excellent in high school, is no longer great unfortunately. What kind of questions can I expect to be asked? And is there any way I can study up?

[frostyvb14]

Would you know when we get notified if we made it to part 2 or not? Has anyone already been notified?

[das Uber Soldat]

Was I disappointed in the entire process? Yes.
Instead of an emphasis on skill, problem solving, the ability to stay calm under pressure and logic, there was too much of an emphasis on how you get along with others, even if they're wrong as hell.
Yeh, what do they know about the skillset required to operate in an airline. I've heard Georgina might be moving on soon, maybe that role would be more suitable given your obvious deep insight?

[bchappell17]

I sat my skills asesment on the 7th of September and the lady supervising the test said that it would take 3-4 weeks to get an email regarding whether you were successful or not. I'm assuming it'd be any day now that we'd here from Jetstar for those that sat the test about a month ago. Has anybody heard anything yet?

[Jbrownie]

Instead of an emphasis on skill, problem solving, the ability to stay calm under pressure and logic, there was too much of an emphasis on how you get along with others, even if they're wrong as hell.

Be prepared for a lot of TELL US ABOUT A TIME WHEN...
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Lol. Its because skill, crm all that jazz can be taught and learnt over time. What they cannot teach or something that cannot be changed easily is your personality and attitude...

I agree with you sometimes the panel can be tedious but flying the plane is the easy part.

[nickgg]

I also attended the assessments on September 7th and waiting to hear...

[Spruce_Goose]

Same here lads. By looking at the ticketing on Eventbrite, they have opened up heaps more SAT testing sessions that span right until the end of October :)

[Stretch06]

I also attended the assessments on September 7th and waiting to hear...

I've been advised that no one will receive any advice until all the SAT assessments are complete. I believe the last assessments are booked for 18th Oct.

The group and individual interviews are more then likely going to occur late Nov/early Dec to allow HSC (or equivalent) exams to be completed.

Stretch:ok:

[brucelee]

Has anyone received a response re: the group/individual interview stage yet?

[YPJT]

Be prepared for a lot of TELL US ABOUT A TIME WHEN...
Yup standard HR drivel that we have to use during interviews as well. I guess it just creates a level playing field by treating everyone as a numpty.

[nickgg]

Has anyone received a response re: the group/individual interview stage yet?

No, nothing yet myself...

[Stretch06]

I believe the last computer assessment day was scheduled for the 18th Oct. Candidates should find out shortly if they are invited to the next phase of the process.

[bchappell17]

Not me yet, I guess they’ll tell us if we haven’t progressed to the next stage aswell.

[brucelee]

Received an invitation yesterday for the 30th of November. Anyone else?

Congrats Spruce :ok: Do you mind me asking did you get a phone call or email?

[frostyvb14]

Congrats Spruce :ok: Do you mind me asking did you get a phone call or email?

I got the invitation via email on the 25th, but it was in my spam folder. I didn't know I had received it until today when they rang me up and asked if I had got it.

[Stretch06]

Everyone who attended the computer assessments should have received an email advising if they were successful and invited to the next phase of process, or if they were non successful in progressing this time.

There are only 40 interview spots and over 400 people applied. But as Frosty states above, check you spam folders, just incase.

[morno]

Why do they need to?

[colebertos]

Shows your intelligence !

I really hate to break this to you, but your little parade of superiority is showing yours.

Clearly the world owes you something, but if you have genuine concerns about the cadetship programs used by airlines far and wide, please do try and share them in a clear and concise manner :ok:

[LeadSled]

Black Belt,
I guess that means there are tens of thousands of undeserving pilots on airline payrolls, world wide.
I wonder? Do they care, or are they happy to have the job.
A logical extension would be for you to suggest that countries that do not have a large GA sector (which is increasingly the case in Australia) or, perhaps large military (again Australia) should not have airlines, because there is no "deserving" pool of "hard yards" pilots.
Tootle pip!!

[colebertos]

As l said Chum. You dont deserve to sit in any Airline cockpit with your ridiculous T.T. of 200 hours with your 3 Monkey bars on . Its just laughable !!!
Leave the land of Welfare , $160 Billion dollars p.a. and rising and the tax payer funded cadet courses and get your air-time in a filthy dirt hole, somewhere on the globe.
Oh, that's too hard to achieve, isn't it ?

Correct, these guys are WAY better off up in Asia or over in the states where some of them can expect a command position in as little as 3 years.

The facts are this, a major portion of current crew were hired straight out of the defence forces post war, they're all currently at an age where retirement is closing in quickly. GA in Australia is crippled. After the last GFC there isn't exact a surplus of qualified pilots logging up the hours out there.

Where on earth do you expect these 1500TT pilots to come from? The industry is experiencing rapid expansion, Qantas Group alone have 99 a320 series aircraft on order, who will fly them?

We get it, you put in the hard yards and worked for every one of those hours, but this is a different world than the one you began on. Use those leadership skills, and instead of whinging about the up and comers, give us some guidance, or even better yet, put some of those hard earned dollars on the line and pump them into the GA industry so we can get the start we need.

[LeadSled]

Black Belt,
What a jaundiced and distorted view you have!!
Airline cadet courses have been around in Australia since at least the very early 1960s.
Since the mid-1960s, cadet courses have provided the bulk of pilots for a large proportion of European and Asian airlines.
As to all those highly experienced ATPLs around ???
There is certainly in Australia a small pool of pilots that, for one reason or another, have ATPLs/ALTPs/ATRs, but in which most airlines have no interest, for a wide variety reasons, in my experience, that are quite valid.
There is a bigger pool of CPL holder who, in my experience, and for a wide variety of reasons, are unemployable outside the lower levels of Australian GA, or even there, in any event a segment of Australian aviation that is shrinking.
Tootle pip!!

PS: I bet you are no fan of the Multi Crew Pilot Licence, MPL??

[morno]

Geez, lay off the turps mate.

Been knocked back from Jetstar I take it?

I've flown with some ATPL holders with more than 1,500hrs, and I can tell you there's no guarantee they're any better than a cadet who's come through the ranks.

[PPRuNeUser0184]

This is all just a wind up by Black Belt. Just ignore.

[mikewil]

There is certainly in Australia a small pool of pilots that, for one reason or another, have ATPLs/ALTPs/ATRs, but in which most airlines have no interest, for a wide variety reasons, in my experience, that are quite valid.
There is a bigger pool of CPL holder who, in my experience, and for a wide variety of reasons, are unemployable outside the lower levels of Australian GA

What makes you say this LeadSled?

To a certain extent I agree with Black belt. I would be willing to bet that a huge number of pilots currently flying for Jetstar would never have become pilots ff they had to take the traditional GA route. It seems to have opened the industry up to a generation spoiled toffee nosed kids who are good at waffling their way through the ridiculous HR recruitment process but could not survive a day in the world where you have to wash and refuel your plane as well as fly it.

Not saying they don't have intelligence and not saying it applies to every one, but there are quite a few spoiled silver spooners in these programs who look down their noses as those in GA when they couldn't hack it themselves.

[ViPER_81]

Black belt, would you at least concede that the GA industry in Australia is just not big enough to provide the amount of pilots needed by the Australian Airlines.


And to suggest we go overseas, fair enough. But I'm guessing you are the type of person that would be absolutely against low hour pilots coming from overseas to fly low hour GA jobs in Australia.


Globally, I would guess there just isn't enough GA industry to supply the training grounds for the amount of pilots that will be needed world wide.


So whats the solution to that problem?

[mikewil]

Black belt, would you at least concede that the GA industry in Australia is just not big enough to provide the amount of pilots needed by the Australian Airlines.

So whats the solution to that problem?

I disagree with that, there are plenty of pilots out there who have 3000+ hours plus 500 multi who can't crack an airline job. Notice how the smaller companies are still asking for 500+ multi just for a chance to fly their 30 year old king air (or even chieftain in some cases)...this suggests that there is no shortage of qualified pilots out there if they can ask for those sorts of minimums for a shot at GA twin.

In any case, even if there was a shortage of pilots with the above requirements, wouldn't it make sense for an airline to start hiring pilots with 700 piston single time rather than 200 hours of piston single?

It still makes no sense in Australia to offer ab initio cadetships because there are thousands of CPLs around the place and probably hundreds who already meet the current direct entry minimums.

If they wanted to crew their aircraft faster, they could offer accelerated cadetships to those with 500-1000 hours of piston single who could complete a course in 3-6 months rather than a full ab inito course taking 12+ months.

[morno]

Just because they have the hours, doesn't mean they're suitable for an airline

[Derfred]

I think there are two possible reasons for an airline to offer a cadet programme:

1. They can't get enough direct entry applicants who meet their standards, or

2. Cadets are cheaper: can be put on a lower wage; pay for their own training; can be bonded for a number of years; etc.

Both QF and JQ have offered cadet schemes over the years, for whatever reason. If I had to guess, based on respective business models, QF have done it for reason 1, and JQ do it for reason 2.

Cadet programmes typically accept around 1 in 50-100 applicants. This means they get to choose carefully, and assuming their selection process is sufficiently rigorous, are not selecting "silver spooners", rather the best people for the job.

Of course the selection process is not always perfect, and while I've seen plenty of excellent cadets, I've seen a few disasters as well. But the same goes for those who join direct entry, whether they be ex-GA or ex-military.

The other interesting difference is that QF cadets go into the back seat. JQ cadets go into the RHS. If I was a JQ Captain, I would hope that I was on top of my game with a 200 hr pilot in the RHS.

[romeocharlie]

Can anybody please inform me, how on earth a so called pilot , can be employed into an airline, who doesn't hold a FULL ATPL with over 1500 hours T.T. !!!

I'll give you a few examples. Before I do, just so you don't think I've had it easy, my background was 10 years GA when it was 2500 tt (and 500 multi) just to get a look in at flying a 310 for Skytrans on the 'rock'. I received my 'FULL' ATPL when I hit the magic numbers.

We have quite a few pilots who were employed (around the 2000hr mark) with frozen ATPL's around the time of cutover where ATPL flight test was required, and the essentially the only reason the company will now perform the ATPL flight test is when upgrading to command. Unless ANY company owns a sim, they are not going to waste resources just so a FO can have a piece of paper. Obviously, any of our FO's can go and pay to use the sim and a flight examiner to do the same at the cost of around $5-10k (correct me if I'm wrong on the price here), but it achieves nothing.

I can fully understand where you're coming from, because I have been there when people say, "oh you haven't got enough multi-crew/jet/space shuttle time," but to make blatantly uneducated remarks shows a complete lack of understanding in how airlines are now both recruiting, and internally function. Additionally, getting on a cadet thread to bash cadets is clearly a waste of everyone's time. Perhaps your complaints would be better directed at the airlines themselves. I'm sure their HR departments would love to hear from you - I can provide some email addresses if required.

At this point in time we don't hire cadets either, so I'll be saving my bananas for myself. Back to the topic at hand.... good luck to those that applied!

[Capt Fathom]

You have a very vivid imagination!

[Centaurus]

Just imagine if the Captain was incapacitated, at night, over the middle of the Pacific

Forget the other scary stuff included in that comment. An incapacitated captain is bad enough. Recently the subject came up during a conversation with the chief pilot of a Boeing 737 operator. His advertisement for first officers included specific minimum hours prior to interview. These limitations were dictated by insurance premiums.

At the same time there are well regarded SE Asian airlines flying heavy metal with hundreds of passengers aboard and whose first officers (second in command) may have only 100 hours or less, total real command time in their log books (none of this PICUS rubbish) along with 3-500 hours TT. No problems with insurance minimums with those operators.

Captains don't have heart attacks in flight very often. Thus, statistically the chances of the low hour second in command assuming control over the Pacific at night with all the other frightening variables, is so low as to be negligible. Insurance companies probably take that into account in setting premiums. That said, there is little doubt that many captains with very low experience first officers foisted upon them are quietly uneasy and would prefer someone in the right hand seat with extensive decision making time in their log book.

[Global Aviator]

Yes PICUS.

So a cadet can join an airline from an integrated course, gets his log book signed as PICUS on every flight as this is what they are told to do by the authority, as Centy said boom 4-5 years later Captain - ZERO real command time.

PICUS would work if run properly and that is a company set procedure, where the Capt is trained for the role. However PICUS means that any input required negates that PICUS sector, back to the first paragraph it means pilots are flying around with not only no real command time but ZERO real PICUS time as well.

Modern aircraft are what saves the moment today, if we were still driving clocks and dials or even first gen airliners would it work? No chance.

Even now just google how many overruns and incidents in a certain part of the world.

No idea how previous cadetships worked but in the past you still needed that magic command time.

:rolleyes:

[Jbrownie]

Lots of hate towards cadets, including myself, I'm going not going to lie.

Yes they miss out on the 'crucial' GA years but the simple fact is that this is more likely to be a more common occurrence with airline recruitment in the future. The combination of lack of experienced D.Es and cadets being cheaper to hire.

At the end of the day the guys and girls picked have a chance to prove themselves and most of them do. (some are ungrateful)

If I were offered one years back I would have taken it, simply its the fastest way to an airline/jet. Most of us would.

[dr dre]

Lots of ignorance towards cadets here:

Yeah very true. These pimply faced school kids are just, banana eating seat warmers and nothing else.

Cadet courses are made up of people with a variety of ages, backgrounds and life experiences. Some have had substantial second careers before starting one in aviation, and some cadets have been well into their 30's.

No idea how previous cadetships worked but in the past you still needed that magic command time.

Nope, plenty of RPT Captains flying in Oz and worldwide for decades who's first command hours beyond CPL training were as Captains of an RPT jet.

When a 200 hr T.T. cadet is placed straight into the RHS, thats 3rd world standards.

Nope, almost all first world countries (apart from the US) put cadets into the right hand seat of jets and have been doing so for decades.

Even now just google how many overruns and incidents in a certain part of the world.

That's more to do with culture and regulation rather than how a pilot enters the airline. You'll also find a lot of those pilots as well (I assume you mean Asia) have come from the military.

2. Cadets are cheaper: can be put on a lower wage; pay for their own training; can be bonded for a number of years; etc.

The same can be said for direct entry pilots. Apart from possibly one airline in Australia which might (I'm not sure) put cadets on a slightly reduced wage for a few years initially, then onto full pay, almost all other airlines have the same T&C's for cadets and DE. And doesn't the payment for the cadet's training go to the flying school not the airline?

I would be willing to bet that a huge number of pilots currently flying for Jetstar would never have become pilots ff they had to take the traditional GA route. It seems to have opened the industry up to a generation spoiled toffee nosed kids who are good at waffling their way through the ridiculous HR recruitment process but could not survive a day in the world where you have to wash and refuel your plane as well as fly it.

Do you have any evidence for that, or is that just because of stereotypical prejudices? It might benefit you to speak to some cadets, and actually see some of personal sacrifices and efforts they've made toward a flying career. Just because you've got a CPL and some flying hours doesn't mean you're suited for an airline.

[Flyboy1987]

We can moan all we like, cadets are here to stay, until maybe we have a serious accident caused by a “low hour” pilot, but who knows.

I now pity them, most will retire with 30k hours in an airbus, with riveting stories of diverting 50nm right of track due weather or the time they nailed that vor in the sim.
Most of us will get our dream airline/corporate/aviation gig in the end.
To the guys busting their @ss in a c210 in Arnhem Land, enjoy it, you will experience things your friends back home in Melbourne will never believe. I know I miss the top end already :(

[LeadSled]

What makes you say this LeadSled?
Mikewell,
In the industry experience over a very long time.
Every employer, from the smallest to the largest, looks for more than just a license and a log book.
I am bound to comment, black belt seems to have a very balanced personality, a chip on both shoulders.
Tootle pip!!

[mikewil]

I'm not usually one for character bashing but this is an example of a cadet who got selected for the first Virgin Australia one a few years back. If this isn't an example of a silver spooner I don't know what is. If you look at one of her comments in a video on her youtube channel you can see she clearly thinks cabin crew members are beneath her as well.

I think everyone here would agree that a character like this wouldn't survive a day in GA.

https://www.instagram.com/toriperrow/?hl=en

Enjoy

[-JLS-]

Probably not fair to single out a person by name, I think it is more of a generational issue than anything. I remember seeing news articles a while back regaling the lavish Instagram account of a 'Qantas pilot' (actually flying a Dash) which involved a lot of standing around in uniform armed with a selfie stick.

I don't think there is much doubt there would be people more interested in it as a career these days for the potential social media following, rather than a long-held love of flying. A key point being most of their photos are of themselves, rather than the views outside. But then again, there have probably always been people flying for the 'look at me' aspect of it, it is just more prevalent now in the age of Instagram.

Though I guess you could probably earn a lot more being an Instagram celebrity than flying a turboprop...

[Flyboy1987]

Jesus h Christ.
Imagine the look on her face if she was informed that as part of her training, we’ll be sending you to groote for 6 months.
Unfortunately there are quite a few cadets like this.
She’s about 4 selfies away from being Maria the pilot.

[Flyboy1987]

And airlines access the applicants ego maturity!!!
How can one possible fly if they don’t drive a bmw and wear LV.
Embarrassing

[dr dre]

I've met a lot of "girly girls" flying in GA and airlines. All of them wonderful pilots, who put a lot of "blokey" male pilots to shame. So who cares if this girl has an instagram account in which she shares fashion tips and the like? I'm sure she's a great operator. Probably better to go flying with than a lot of the whingers on here. If you want to talk about "ego maturity" look at those who perform a disingenuous character assassination on an anonymous Internet forum.

There's pilots flying in GA or the military or who entered an airline through those paths who have selfie loaded instagram accounts as well. Do we bash them too or is that just reserved for cadets?

Whether you like it or not social media is a big part of marketing and recruitment these days. No doubt employers see it as method of promotion and spreading positive role models.

At the end of the day I think the naysayers here just hate em cos they ain't em....

[engine out]

What did GA teach me to help being an airline pilot? (Could be a thread in its own). Do I wash aeroplanes now? No. Do I spend all day photocopying? No. Do I get put in the position of doing something that requires a very liberal interpretation of the rules daily? No. Am I being shafted by my employer whilst having to say thank you? Probably yes but you can’t win them all.

I agree that I had a ball in GA, but it had little to do with airline flying. If you can’t fly an aeroplane after 200 hrs then 5 years in GA won’t help.

[Flyboy1987]

[QUOTE= If you can’t fly an aeroplane after 200 hrs then 5 years in GA won’t help.[/QUOTE]

Possibly the most stupid thing i’ve ever heard.

I know plenty of guys and girls that struggled big time through flying school, but they had drive.
A few years in ga and then they were “regional material”.
No way they would have been up front after initial training.

But if that is the case as you think, let’s call up all airlines and tell them their minimums can be a bare cpl from now on.

[dr dre]

No way they would have been up front after initial training.

But if that is the case as you think, let’s call up all airlines and tell them their minimums can be a bare cpl from now on.

You might want to check the actual minimums of actual Australian airlines because almost all only require a CPL.. All of them apart from Tigerair have had cadet programs running at one stage or another.

A proper cadet training program is designed specifically to put a trainee in the right hand seat of a jet or turboprop after initial training. This isn't like a typical flying school, it is more structured and training to a more specific standard and the end product will be different. If you aren't up to scratch during the course you won't get many opportunities to continue, you'll get shown the door.

In fact it wouldn't be uncommon for a trainee who struggles on a cadetship, but who has enthusiasm and desire to be told to do a couple of years in GA and then to reapply direct entry. But for the majority of cadet graduates they successfully move into their airlines after training, and have long careers.

[colebertos]

What exactly are your credentials black belt? I'm hearing a lot of the same talk over and over, but lacking any real substantial thoughts.

I'm assuming you're either an applicant who didn't make it through stage 1, or someone who did the hard yards in GA only to be found ineligible due to your horrific attitude towards others?

[colebertos]

Hahahahaha. Your in Melbourne. You must be a banana eater, with the rest of the kindergarten kids

You're right I'm in Melbourne, I made the decision a couple of years back to move here and have a go at achieving something.

My late grandfather introduced me to aviation, being a bush pilot I received plenty of advice and encouragement from him.

Im now studying the bachelor of aviation with Swinburne, as a high school drop out without the bank of mummy and daddy it's been quite a challenge to make it this far.

Now you know a bit about me, how about you reveal exactly what makes you qualified to judge others' career paths?

There have been a hell of a lot more accidents caused by pilots with an attitude like yours than any cadet.

[engine out]

I’m very happy with my credentials thanks black belt. Are you saying when you finished your CPL your weren’t able to fly properly? I’d be asking for my money back if I was you.

I know when I was instructing I would not put a student up for a CPL test unless I was 100 % sure he was ready for the aviation world beyond. That is because most GA operators I’ve dealt with won’t spend time training, they want a finished product. Will your skills get better of course they will but, you should be able to handle whatever comes your way as soon as you have that licence.

[dr dre]

Don't feed blackbelt guys, he's an obvious troll.
All his posts on this thread are just attacking cadets/younger pilots. Sounds like a jealous failure.
When you're trying to respond rationally to a someone who calls you a "banana eater" simply because of the city you come from you're not dealing with a legitimate user.
Let's just keep this thread to actual questions about applications for the cadetship huh?



No point in addressing Black Belt. He left the building! :E

Tail Wheel

[josephfeatherweight]

https://www.instagram.com/toriperrow/?hl=en
I'm a bit late to the party here, friends, but what the shuddering f&@$ is this??
Only have a basic understanding of Instathingy, but this is the most narcissistic crap I've ever seen. I thought the hurdle these days in getting into an airline was jumping the hoops to get past the HR goons - there's no way this individual could have hidden her true nature from them - is this what an airline is after? I'm seriously flabbergasted at this pretentious display - what is the world coming to? I know she's an adult and all, but wouldn't you, as her parent phone her up and say, "You're being a goose, cut it out!"
Do Virgin want to be associated with this?
Maybe I'm just a really out-of-touch old fart...
Let's just keep this thread to actual questions about applications for the cadetship huh?
My apologies, Dr, I realise I have contributed to the drift.
But I'm just so blown away by this I needed to vent...