Uae380 Problem

[Acklington]

Uae380 still at fl90 approaching London from Manchester

[Hotel Tango]

Just landed 27L and vacated at the very end.

[chaps1954]

Nose wheel gear problem I believe wouldn`t retract

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

FL90 approaching BNN from the north would not be unusual. Anything from FL70-120 depending on traffic are used.

[Airclues]

It would be if your destination is Dubai!

[DaveReidUK]

True, but maintaining FL90 all the way from MAN isn't quite so usual.

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Thanks Air Clues but who said anything about Dubai?

Thanks Dave.. but who said it was maintaining FL90 all the the way from Manchester?

[Airclues]

The higher fuel consumption reduces the dumping time. (I have no idea about the A380 dumping rates and fuel consumption. Had it been a 744 I could have quoted you the figures)

[Airclues]

Thanks Air Clues but who said anything about Dubai?

The source of all factual aviation news of course!

Emirates flight on way to Dubai diverted to London | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4306330/Emirates-flight-diverted-London.html)

[DaveReidUK]

The higher fuel consumption reduces the dumping time. (I have no idea about the A380 dumping rates and fuel consumption. Had it been a 744 I could have quoted you the figures)

It orbited for half-an-hour before setting course for LHR, but I'd be surprised if it spent that time raining Jet A-1 down on the good citizens of Wakefield ...

[Talkdownman]

Pin left in?

[DaveReidUK]

Never happens. :O

Joking aside, I'd be surprised if EK use gear pins on a turnround at MAN.

[bcgallacher]

Some companies insisted that lock pins were left in during pushback.Always thought that was unnecessary- may lead to the problem we have just seen.

[Airclues]

From my distant memory, the removal of the down-lock pins must be entered in the AML. How do the engineers do this if they are in for push-back (or have the rules changed?)? I don't know about the 380 but the 744 down-lock pins are quite high up in the nose-wheel bay.
This pin should not be confused with the Hydraulic Shutoff Pin which is inserted during push-back to disable the nose-wheel steering and is shown to the pilots by the push-back crew.

[Airbubba]

More here from a couple of usual sources:

Incident: Emirates A388 at Manchester on Mar 12th 2017, could not retract landing gear (http://avherald.com/h?article=4a61933f&opt=0)

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ek18/#cb719a6

[bcgallacher]

747 Downlock pins can be removed with a long tool while standing on the ground.

[wiggy]

AIrclues

From my distant memory, the removal of the down-lock pins must be entered in the AML.


FWIW (probably not a lot) it still is with us (744/777) - downlock pins must be removed, seen by the flight crew and signed as removed in the AML prior to a pushback prior to flight. Obviously (?) the gear steering lock out pin gets removed prior to taxi.....

Now...are we any closer to finding out what happened with the 380?