australian ppl vs rpl?

[flyhighdude]

hello mates,

My question is does the private pilot license allow individuals to fly in recreational category, or will i have to undergo recreational pilot license training even though i already have a private pilot license? what about owning a cpl and wanting to fly in the recreational category? :confused:

[mostlytossas]

I have a couple of mates that have come from RAAus to GA (the opposite to what you want to do) and tell me you must do conversion training,either way. Both streams now go from beginner to an RPL before then going to either a PPL for GA or to RA Aus system of tack on ratings,such as cross country,controlled airspace, passenger carrying etc. A PPL therefore should only have to convert to the lighter aircraft (flying it) as you would already have the other ratings. A flying school that teaches both types would be able to enlighten you more.

[flyhighdude]

I have a couple of mates that have come from RAAus to GA (the opposite to what you want to do) and tell me you must do conversion training,either way. Both streams now go from beginner to an RPL before then going to either a PPL for GA or to RA Aus system of tack on ratings,such as cross country,controlled airspace, passenger carrying etc. A PPL therefore should only have to convert to the lighter aircraft (flying it) as you would already have the other ratings. A flying school that teaches both types would be able to enlighten you more.
thanks! i've contacted two schools in sydney that operate RA planes via email but not hearing from them...

[Clare Prop]

Are you talking about CASA Recreational Pilot Licence or RAAus pilot certificate?

[flyhighdude]

well, my case is i hold a foreign cpl and i am planning to do a conversion in australia, and what i have been trying to find out is whether i will be able to fly recreational planes in australia with my casa license or cov?

[Acrosport II]

You cannot fly RAAus Recreational aircraft without a RAAus Pilot Certificate.

You have to be a member of RAAus to hold a valid RAAus Pilot Certificate.

To convert a current GA Licence CPL or PPL, requires 5 hours in a Recreational Pilot Certificate type aircraft.
1 Hour dual and you can fly the remainder 4 hours PIC. Hours can be credited for time already flown in similar aircraft (under 600kg).

I would expect It will be easy enough to convert once you have been issued an Aussie PPL/CPL.

Unfortunately a little confusion arises between, Recreational Pilot Licence (GA) [which should be called a Restricted Pilots Licence IMHO], and a Recreational Pilots Certificate (RAAus).

Cheers.

[Okihara]

You cannot fly RAAus Recreational aircraft without a RAAus Pilot Certificate.

You have to be a member of RAAus to hold a valid RAAus Pilot Certificate.

To convert a current GA Licence CPL or PPL, requires 5 hours in a Recreational Pilot Certificate type aircraft.
1 Hour dual and you can fly the remainder 4 hours PIC. Hours can be credited for time already flown in similar aircraft (under 600kg).

I would expect It will be easy enough to convert once you have been issued an Aussie PPL/CPL.

Unfortunately a little confusion arises between, Recreational Pilot Licence (GA) [which should be called a Restricted Pilots Licence IMHO], and a Recreational Pilots Certificate (RAAus).

Cheers.

Do you have any reference regarding the conversion of a CASA RPL or PPL into the RAAUS pilot certificate?

Namely, where did you find this information:
To convert a current GA Licence CPL or PPL, requires 5 hours in a Recreational Pilot Certificate type aircraft.
1 Hour dual and you can fly the remainder 4 hours PIC. Hours can be credited for time already flown in similar aircraft (under 600kg).
?

[Stikman]

Do you have any reference regarding the conversion of a CASA RPL or PPL into the RAAUS pilot certificate?

Namely, where did you find this information:

?

https://www.raa.asn.au/storage/6-om-71-august-2016-single-pages.pdf

Section 2.13, para 5 c (2)

[bravocharliedelta]

It seems like a RAAUS Recreational Certificate would only be necessary if you wanted to use one of their planes from their clubs? Whereas a RPL would allow you to fly an aircraft within the RPL privileges.

[peuce]

I know I had to do a conversion course from my PPL to RA Certificate. Don't have to do all the theory etc, but there certainly is a performance difference between say a C172 and a Tecnam P92....the P92 just wants to climb and certainly doesn't want to land !

[StickWithTheTruth]

It seems like a RAAUS Recreational Certificate would only be necessary if you wanted to use one of their planes from their clubs? Whereas a RPL would allow you to fly an aircraft within the RPL privileges.

Raaus don't have "clubs" as such, they have flight training facilities of which some of those facilities have clubs associated with them.

Put simply, if you want to fly an aircraft with numbers on the side, you need a Recreational Aviation Australia issued Pilot Certificate.

If you want to fly an aircraft with letters on the side, you need an RPL or a PPL.

If you want to fly an aircraft with numbers on the side into CTA/Class C/Class D, you'll need an RPL or PPL in addition to your RA-Aus Pilot Certificate.

[bravocharliedelta]

@StickWithTheTruth

Thanks for the clarification!