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https://infrastructure.gov.au/security/files/Issuing_body_enhancements.pdf
Stage 2 of the changes requires face-to-face verification of photos and additional documentation requirements :ugh:
Kaz
Jabawocky
1st Feb 2017, 02:28
Nanny state and then some :mad::*
I am seriously over this place.....
I need to find a few like minded folks and we should buy an island. Norfolk maybe?
It's nothing about security, it's about feeding the security empire.
They're just a bunch of parasites sponging off the aviation industry. You know, a bit like CASA bureaucrats.
I just hope they don't kill the host.
The name is Porter
1st Feb 2017, 04:03
Sooooo.........we all head out to Merimbula for the face to face?
rjtjrt
1st Feb 2017, 04:08
I hate to say this, but Australia has become a pissant country, or maybe it is just our government/politicians and bureaucrats.
To paraphrase JPMcEnroe, 'They cannot be serious'.!! :ugh:
So am I reading it right..? You get your ID signed off by someone authorised to do so, then someone else has to authorise the authoriser....hmmm where have I heard that before..? Oh yeah, a qualified and authorised DAME signs you off as fit to fly, then someone else has to authorise them!! :ugh:
The existing/previous system was a complete WOFTAM.
You want to improve the system..? SCRAP IT altogether. It serves no purpose other than to line the pockets of the people in the little empire built around it (well said IsDon), and allows politicians to be 'seen to be doing something' about aviation security.
At the very least it should be valid for 10yrs like a passport. Having to renew it every 2 years is just ridiculous. I'm over it.
framer
1st Feb 2017, 05:44
Did you guys not read the title of the document?
I'll copy it hear to help you out:
Issuing body enhancements
Factsheet 1 of 4 - Identity Security Amendments – 1 November 2016
These changes only apply if you have recently had surgery to 'enhance ' your body.
It mainly only effects cabin crew but I have noticed the odd pilot become suddenly more enhanced after a holiday in Thailand. For most of us it's business as usual.
Berealgetreal
1st Feb 2017, 06:57
Basically like CASA, ATSB, Air Services Australia this bunch are getting away with murder. Then again so are the politicians. This place desperately needs a Trump like swamp drain. A no nonsense person that drills down into the nitty gritty and calls "bull****" without meetings and enquiries. A leader.
Did you guys see the uproar in the media when Centrelink started tapping people on the shoulder regarding taxpayers money they weren't entitled to. We need a big adjustment here. Things are back to front.
Did you guys not read the title of the document?
I'll copy it hear to help you out:]
I read the rest of the article, too. But I don't think you did if you are serious.
KittyKatKaper
1st Feb 2017, 07:59
From my reading of the 2011 ANAO report (which DOIRD say their report is based on), I don't see where ANAO said that 'face to face verification of applicants' was required, it wasn't mentioned in any of their 3 recommendations.
I was more struck by the ANAO finding that "AusCheck processed 97 per cent of its background checking activity within one day and 99 per cent was completed in five business days or less", which only confirms my long held belief that the ASIC is pure 'security theatrics' because it is difficult to do a proper 'security' job in 5 business days, and impossible in 1 day.
Berealgetreal
1st Feb 2017, 08:23
A day? Takes at least a month to get it back. More O2 thieves in our industry, running around in offices wasting time and money.
KittyKatKaper
1st Feb 2017, 22:50
The 'end-to-end' processing time, ie. "the complete time taken from submission to completion" in that 2010/2011 audit was roughly,
25% done within 1 week, 25% took between 1 and 2 weeks and 50% took more than 2 weeks.
onetrack
2nd Feb 2017, 00:26
Did you guys see the uproar in the media when Centrelink started tapping people on the shoulder regarding taxpayers money they weren't entitled to. We need a big adjustment here. Things are back to front.The Centrelink fiasco was just a little bit more complex that you make it out - but don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.
The Centrelink fiasco was initiated when a computerised program was introduced to scan all money transfers to welfare-recipients bank accounts, and penalise them accordingly if bank payments were found that didn't jell with the recipients stated income.
Unfortunately, said program could not identify the source, nor the reasons, for said payments - so Joe Blow, the welfare recipient was immediately classified as having unstated income, if he'd paid a bill for a friend or family member, and that friend or family member re-imbursed them.
This re-imbursement was immediately classed as "income" in the Centrelink computer program - and no Centrelink employee was authorised to alter the computer decision, even after a believeable explanation was produced by the welfare recipient.
The Centrelink stuff-up penalised tens of thousands of innocent pensioners, genuine welfare recipients, and genuine disability pensioners - whilst allowing the deadbeat drug dealers on Centrelink benefits, to continue with their major cash-income sidelines.
Berealgetreal
2nd Feb 2017, 06:04
Oh of course, how dare the government implement any system that recovers tax payers money. My heart bleeds. If you've done nothing wrong you won't have anything to worry about.
Tax payers are getting fed up!
. Oh of course, how dare the government implement any system that recovers tax payers money. My heart bleeds. If you've done nothing wrong you won't have anything to worry about.
Tax payers are getting fed up!
Unfortunately, a number of those who did no wrong, including very elderly pensioners and single mums, have been left without even the basics to live on for weeks on end.
le Pingouin
2nd Feb 2017, 12:42
"Be real"? What a singularly inappropriate name. Bet you'd moan if they canned the leaching that is negative gearing.
Left 270
2nd Feb 2017, 19:51
Getrealbereal
You are so far from accurate regarding the Centrelink issue it's not funny.
I'm one of them accused for "ripping off the tax payer" from an Ausstudy payment in 2012 (yep that's right 5 years ago) where I worked part time for 9 months of the year whilst studying then returned to a highly paid previous career for the remaining 3 months once finished studying and without further payment of the study allowance.
These drongos have averaged my income for the year and said I have earned undeclared income whilst receiving the payment and that I now have to pay back all of what I received and the "debt" has been handed over to the collection agency because Centrelink didn't have my current address (why should they? Haven't dealt with them in 5 years) and neglected to call me.
So much for if you have done nothing you have nothing to worry about right?
To add as well this was the only time I've dealt with them.
Getrealbereal
You are so far from accurate regarding the Centrelink issue it's not funny.
I'm one of them accused for "ripping off the tax payer" from an Ausstudy payment in 2012 (yep that's right 5 years ago) where I worked part time for 9 months of the year whilst studying then returned to a highly paid previous career for the remaining 3 months once finished studying and without further payment of the study allowance.
These drongos have averaged my income for the year and said I have earned undeclared income whilst receiving the payment and that I now have to pay back all of what I received and the "debt" has been handed over to the collection agency because Centrelink didn't have my current address (why should they? Haven't dealt with them in 5 years) and neglected to call me.
So much for if you have done nothing you have nothing to worry about right?
To add as well this was the only time I've dealt with them.
If they've sold the debt to a debt collector, this is an indication that centrelink see no legal avenue to get the debt off you. To salvage something they sell the debt for maybe 10% to a collection agency.
What did Darryl Kerrigan say? "Tell em their dreamin'"
Lead Balloon
3rd Feb 2017, 02:19
Darryl Kerrigan in fact said: "Tell 'em they're dreamin'".
Tell the debt collectors: Prove the debt (and suffer in your jocks...).
KittyKatKaper
3rd Feb 2017, 02:49
The recovery of non-entitled monies is a laudable goal, the problem is that Centrelink stuffed-up their data-matching process.
Selling the debt to a collector is wonderful from Centrelinks' perspective, ie
they get some money,
they don't need an office full of staff to do the recoveries,
and any disputes are now a problem for the collector.
Back Pressure
3rd Feb 2017, 04:07
And don't forget, if a debt collector gets involved, you are still liable only for the original debt. You are not liable for debt collection costs ie. the debt collector's fee (which the debt collector will always try to sting you for).
KittyKatKaper
4th Feb 2017, 02:33
From 1 August 2017, applicants will need to provide identity documents to meet each of the following categories:
o Category A documents will provide evidence of the start of the applicant’s identity in Australia.
o Category B documents will be Government issued documents that provide photographic proof of the applicant’s identity and includes the applicant’s signature.
o Category C documents will provide evidence of the applicant’s use of the identity while operating in their community.
o Category D documents will provide evidence of the applicant’s current residential address.
The minimum number of documents required is three, addressing all four categories e.g birth certificate (category A), driver licence (category B and D) and Medicare card (category C).
but to get a Category B or C document requires category A,B,C (and probably D) documents which require ........
Oldmanemu
4th Feb 2017, 10:45
IsDon is 100 percent correct.
I know. I used to work there.
KittyKatkaper,
yup the simple process of getting ID verified by the local JP, Pharmacist etc and sending off your application will be gone. You will have to go at some stage for a face to face with the issuing body or agent to present your original ID documents.
There is still some discussion with industry on this on exactly how it will work. Organisations like Aviation ID Australia who still do the bulk of ASICs for GA will find it particularly hard.
Crazy rule that brings in a requirement significantly greater than needed for a passport.
Kaz
Looks like the new requirements are due to commence in August this year.
If you have to go through an authorised agent of the issuing body to have your ID checked be prepared to cough up more dollars to get your next ASIC. I've heard Australia Post charge $30.00 for ID checks.
I'd suggest those who normally get their ID certified by the local JP contact whoever issues their ASIC and ask what the procedure will be when the new regs come in and what the cost will be.
VHFRT
10th May 2017, 15:27
Oh of course, how dare the government implement any system that recovers tax payers money. My heart bleeds. If you've done nothing wrong you won't have anything to worry about.
Tax payers are getting fed up!
This attitude is actually the problem.
Just because the government says something, doesn't make it right. We are fast becoming the USA, where the average Australian jumps on the establishment bandwagon and backs everything they do (because it doesn't impact them).
1) "I'm not on CentreLink, so yes the government is right to do whatever they want to stop payments to others"
2) "Yes, of course the government should drug test people on welfare! (a job that will be outsourced to a private company)
3) "Yes! Of course it should be harder to get an Aviation Security Card! Of course pilots should go through the same security screening I do when I go to Bali"
4) "Yes, of course we should increase screening for migrants.
etc etc etc
It never ends... in this country, the average citizen jumps up in a rampage for anything that has no impact on them. Unfortunatley, that applies to 99% of issues - and the government loves it
KRviator
10th May 2017, 22:59
1) "I'm not on CentreLink, so yes the government is right to do whatever they want to stop payments to others"If someone is rorting the system, then yes, why should Centrelink not stop, or recover, payments? If you are doing the right thing, you (should) have nothing to fear about having your payments stopped. Unfortunately, I see far too many people in my local area that could work, but appear to choose not to, so yes, I fully support this concept.
2) "Yes, of course the government should drug test people on welfare! (a job that will be outsourced to a private company)Effin oath they should be doing this! :D If I - and presumably most PPRuner's - have to be drug & alcohol free at work, and get randomly tested at work, to earn our money, why should Centrelink recipients not be the same? After all, aren't most drugs they'll be testing for illegal anyway?
3) "Yes! Of course it should be harder to get an Aviation Security Card! Of course pilots should go through the same security screening I do when I go to Bali"Just to prove I can agree with something said here, I do not agree with this. Aviation security in Australia is a joke at the best of times. How much money has been poured into security in Australia since 9/11? How many lives have been "saved" as a result? How many lives have been lost as a result of terrorism in Australia since Federation? 17 according to wikipedia. 17 killed by "Terrorists" in Australia in the last hundred years. How many killed on our roads last Christmas holidays?
Put another way - The United States kills around 35,000 people in automobile crashes every single year. In 2001, there were over 42,000 fatalities on US roads, 10x the Sept 11 body count. But no one bats an eye. Trillions of dollars spent on "the war on terror", thousands of soldiers dead, yet more people die on US roads than are killed by terrorists. And no one is questioning it...
dr dre
11th May 2017, 03:27
Put another way - The United States kills around 35,000 people in automobile crashes every single year. In 2001, there were over 42,000 fatalities on US roads, 10x the Sept 11 body count. But no one bats an eye. Trillions of dollars spent on "the war on terror", thousands of soldiers dead, yet more people die on US roads than are killed by terrorists. And no one is questioning it...
A sensationalist tabloid media with no other interest except fearmongering in order to increase views and clicks, and a government that knows how to take advantage of this in order to influence the public. Coupled with a poor education system that just teaches us to rote learn information and regurgitate it on exams, but never think critically about the information that we receive. If the media and government say something there is no will or need to question it, and those who do are seen as abnormal. We did question it a bit prior to the 2003 Iraq War but that thinking finished quickly after. It's same reason why 1200 people die on Australia's roads each year yet a missed approach makes headline news.
Ixixly
11th May 2017, 11:13
Can we all get back on topic please? This is a rather large issue that'll mean MORE cost to the Industry without presumably ANY safety benefit!!
Should there not have been some sort of Industry Consultation on these sorts of measures? Surely they can't just up and decide for no particular reason to put this sort of crap into action?!?!
there not have been some sort of Industry Consultation on these sorts of measures?
Ixixly,
there has been a great deal of consultation on this very matter going back over a number of years. As I have said previously though, the pilots and particularly GA have been their own worse enemies in all this and have not had any representation whatsoever in any of the forums.
As I mentioned above, if you are not in a position to go personally to the issuing body for your ASIC to complete the ID checks ring CASA or better still Aviation ID Australia and ask them to tell you what sort of increases are likely after 01 August this year. I have seen figures of $20,000 account set up and $40.00 per applicant for ID checks to be done by Australia post.
We are therefore looking at $50.00 or more increase for an ASIC as no issuing body will absorb that kind of additional cost.
Another Number
12th May 2017, 03:08
If you want to really be real, get real!
There are few demonstrable benefits, yet significant unwarranted costs, from the current and proposed ASIC implementations.
A sensibly implemented and managed system would retain the benefits, and reduce the costs and worthless baggage.
And then the "conversation" about cost-recovery could be had.
And on the subject of drug-testing welfare-recipients ... simple!
Its a bloody great idea ... drug test those who get taxpayer funds...
Test dole recipients
Test Family Tax Benefit recipients
Test the bloody pensioners (vast budget black hole creators)
and most importantly ... test the biggest recipients (per capita) of taxpayer funding
Test the bloody politicians!!! :ok:*
*Each federal politician should be forced to produce a daily urine sample (with suitable monitoring, checks and safeguards) - and immediate loss of job on a positive sample.
____________________________
Disclaimer: No, I'm not on the dole, never have been, and never claimed any bloody benefit in my life!
CurtainTwitcher
16th Sep 2017, 09:06
Melbourne Airport maintenance worker ‘fired gun near colleagues'
A maintenance worker employed at Melbourne airport is set to be charged after a six-month investigation by the Australian Federal Police into his use of a gun near colleagues while at work.
It can be revealed that the worker, whom The Weekend Australian has chosen not to identify, was referred to the AFP by his employer, Airservices Australia, in March.
The AFP yesterday confirmed the ongoing investigation after inquiries by The Weekend Australian.
It is understood the worker, the father of a young girl from Diggers Rest, 33km northwest of Melbourne, allegedly brought an unlicensed gun into Melbourne airport and fired off several live rounds inside a workshop.
Sources said the incident was deeply disturbing in terms of airport security and the man’s co-workers were shaken, concerned for their own welfare and that of the travelling public.
Other employees of Airservices Australia said they were astounded the matter had not been resolved, having occurred in October last year, and claimed it had been covered up by authorities.
Airservices Australia, a government-owned corporation that provides aviation services including telecommunications, navigation and rescue and fire fighting, referred the matter to the AFP only in March, five months after the alleged incident took place.
The man has worked as an emergency vehicle technician for Airservices Australia for more than five years. It is understood he is not currently working at Melbourne airport.
Airservices Australia spokeswoman Sarah Fulton refused to answer any questions from The Weekend Australian about the matter, but in a brief statement said the organisation took “safety and security seriously”.
Airservices took “appropriate steps to manage any known or potential risks to our operations and safety of our people”, the statement said. “As the matter is under investigation by the AFP, It would be inappropriate to comment.”
An AFP spokeswoman said an investigation was ongoing.
“The AFP can confirm that in March 2017, Airservices Australia referred a matter to the AFP for investigation,” she said. “The investigation relates to an alleged incident at a remote facility of Melbourne airport in October 2016. There was no threat or any ongoing risk to the travelling public as a result of this alleged incident.”
The man’s wife hung up without comment when contacted by The Weekend Australian.
The revelations come as Bill Shorten yesterday pledged to reinstate AFP officers at Hobart’s airport under a Labor government. The Opposition Leader said Labor would allocate 16 AFP officers to the airport at a cost of about $13 million if it won the next federal election. “We understand in these very difficult times of security that we need to make sure we have the AFP at our capital city airports,” he said.
Officers were withdrawn from the airport in October 2014, making Hobart the only capital city terminal without an AFP presence. The Transport Workers Union yesterday warned that safety and security at airports was at risk because of cost-cutting and understaffing.
Melbourne Airport maintenance worker ‘fired gun near colleagues’| The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/melbourne-airport-maintenance-worker-fired-gun-near-colleagues/news-story/b14ab80e361b5550e004ce24d97bce34)
Angle of Attack
17th Sep 2017, 06:32
Back to topic it seems a Birth Certificate is now a required item for ASIC renewel. Really? My moldy stained easy as hell to forge Birth Certificate from the 70's is required for a renewal. Words defy me. This stinks of yet another beaureacratic layer of cow dung, which tops the 7 foot pile already sitting around infecting all of our lives.