EK Roster problem

[A6EchoEchoUniform]

My January A380 Command roster is at 104 hours over 21 days. I am being told that due to "increased demand" (of what??) that we can now be asked to fly up to 112 hours during 3 months of the year, as long as there's a one month break between rosters of over 100 hours.

When did this policy change, and was anyone notified of it? I certainly was not.

[brewman187]

My January A380 Command roster. Wow, I bet you're a pleasure to fly with skipper.

Boeing 777 Air Lord

[Kamelchaser]

That didn't take long did it?

[Whairdhugo]

Some are a pleasure to fly with indeed. I learn interesting facts like deicing won't be required in dxb during the departure brief. Other pleasures include an arrival brief into cdg consisting of a separate approach to all four possible runways and bonus information like full lost comms procedures "just in case". 21 minutes of a c-two-f gem. 😴

[CaptainChipotle]

My January A380 Command roster is at 104 hours over 21 days. I am being told that due to "increased demand" (of what??) that we can now be asked to fly up to 112 hours during 3 months of the year, as long as there's a one month break between rosters of over 100 hours.

When did this policy change, and was anyone notified of it? I certainly was not.

You can always call in fatigued, but in your case (commander), you should call in "super FATiqued".

[Divertnow]

My January A380 Command roster. Wow, I bet you're a pleasure to fly with skipper.

Boeing 777 Air Lord
Did miss something? I can be slow off the mark but isn't he asking a reasonable question about a sh1tty roster. I'm not doing a 110 hr rosters! That's madness.

[Kennytheking]

Stop being a bunch of douches. It's a reasonable question and clearly he is not as pprune wise as you lot. Ffs talk about not being able to identify the real problem:ugh:

[JNPS]

Did someone mention the BK? No, not Burger King for terrain avoidance.

[QCM]

Yeah parrots don't fly high but speak a lot...and apparently don't think twice.

[fliion]

My January A380 Command roster is at 104 hours over 21 days. I am being told that due to "increased demand" (of what??) that we can now be asked to fly up to 112 hours during 3 months of the year, as long as there's a one month break between rosters of over 100 hours.

When did this policy change, and was anyone notified of it? I certainly was not.

Commander - Ch 7 OMA.

Legal - yes or no?

"I'm being told"

FFS....

[Popgun]

Boeing 777 Air Lord

Bwaaaaa! Thanks for the laugh Brewman!

PG

[A6EchoEchoUniform]

What a warm welcome ... not!

Sorry chaps, I simply wanted to know if anyone knew when this policy came to be. It seems it's only the commanders of the A380 so far. B777 commanders and all first officers don't seem to have the same increased monthly hour ability.

[pumpkin]

104 not just in a month but in 21 days. Absurd. I had heard the GCAA has approved up to 112 hrs.So, short of pilots,many quitting without jobs to go to due to sheer exhaustion, recruitment team let go, what do you do , flog the remaining minions harder and offer new hires more cash (not that they are coming). So what happens? More leave, hence compounding the issue.
Cancel flights to ease rosters; increase pilot compensation to be in line with work done- get some people to actually start wanting to work here again. Seems obvious but no this will just be an arrogant drive to the bottom until this airline is obliterated. Or another crash, or both. :(

[KippaLippa]

........this will just be an arrogant drive to the bottom until this airline is obliterated. Or another crash, or both. :([/QUOTE]


Perfectly well described Pumpkin, it will be nice in the future to be here chatting about:"I told you that was gonna happen, told ya"

[jetjockey696]

After hearing all this, i feel lucky that my BMI is 31, preventing for joining the EK chain gang..

[felixthecat]

And exactly where is this written in the OMA because I cant find it :)

[fatbus]

Have to laugh at all those that wish the demise of EK. Some are EK pilots that may have been delayed for LHS or failed. They won't be laughing if 4000 + pilots get dumped on the market. Or those that have property they can get rid of.

[The Turtle]

Amen to that Fatbus.......those of us who have been around long enough have witnessed airlines rise and fall, and friends or self made redundant...

Never a pleasant time. We beat this to death, however, only firm management can guide this

We only do our part in keeping our A or B safely in the sky

[Icarus2001]

and offer new hires more cash (not that they are coming) I know three new starts in the last four months just from my part of the world.

So no, they are still coming.

[BigGeordie]

Put it another way, they aren't coming in anywhere near the numbers that are needed. There will always be some people who just need to pay the bills. Or suffer from big shiny jet syndrome.

[Plane and simple]

I know three new starts in the last four months just from my part of the world.

So no, they are still coming.

Yes the numbers are coming.
But not the quality/experience level that is needed.

So many "2 stripes" at the training college right now.

Gotta face facts. We are now the Ryanair/Air Asia of long haul.
Won't be long before we become the long haul Eagle Jet

[eternity]

I truly don't know how many successful candidates are coming through and then eventually accepting the job, however...

During my medical about a month ago, the nurse taking my (increasing) measurements etc. told me he had not done a candidate initial medical for about 3 weeks now....and over the past few months the amount of candidate (pre-initial) medicals he had done has dropped dramatically.
Read into that what you will........

I also flew with a brand new FO from the turboprops recently.
He was a good operator (good situational awareness), and he mentioned that him and a lot of his turboprop mates are planning on staying here just for a couple years to get some big jet time, then move on elsewhere......
Read into that what you will.....

Eternity.

[Spool A Fanjet]

Thank heavens I'm gone!

[Kapitanleutnant]

Don't think it's a "few years".... remember there is a little thing called a 5 year bond worth about what... 50K USD or some such!

[Icarus2001]

remember there is a little thing called a 5 year bond worth about what... 50K USD or some such!

So after three years what is the buyout cost?

[fatbus]

@ 2k per month pay down, newbies are all about P2F. 3 years 2500 hours 777 + @20k and gone.

[Yorkshire_Pudding]

so after three years what is the buy out cost?

At around three years, your End of Service Benefit should roughly cover the cost of your training bond.

But there are many personal costs you should also factor in.

[donpizmeov]

Eternity. I believe new joiners don't do their medical when at dubai any more. They also have to pay for their compass testing, and get themselves to a testing centre prior to coming to Dubai.