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framer
3rd Jan 2017, 04:05
From a the paper;
A man is in a critical condition after being trapped under a fuel truck at Perth Airport.

The accident happened about 6am on Tuesday when the man in his 40s, believed to be a Skippers Aviation employee, was hit by a BP fuel truck.

He was taken to Perth Royal Hospital with multiple serious injuries, a St John Ambulance spokesman said.

White Knight
4th Jan 2017, 02:26
Yep. Those Hi-Vis jackets do the job well:ugh:

Hope he makes a full recovery.......

Capn Rex Havoc
4th Jan 2017, 07:05
I'd be curious to know if he was wearing hearing protection.

I personally never wear hearing protection during the walk around, specifically so I am not limiting one of senses. Hearing a reversing truck has saved me from being squashed.

I hate fighting with the morons at Sydney security who demand that you have hearing protection before they let you onto airside.

Best wishes for the gentleman concerned to make a speedy and full recovery.

Take care out there peoples.

Tankengine
4th Jan 2017, 09:32
I'd be curious to know if he was wearing hearing protection.

I personally never wear hearing protection during the walk around, specifically so I am not limiting one of senses. Hearing a reversing truck has saved me from being squashed.

I hate fighting with the morons at Sydney security who demand that you have hearing protection before they let you onto airside.

Best wishes for the gentleman concerned to make a speedy and full recovery.

Take care out there peoples.

I am with you on the hearing protection for our short time on the ramp. Show the doorman the ear plugs, just don't use them! ;)
Best wishes for the victim.

The Green Goblin
4th Jan 2017, 09:34
Better make sure in future that the refuelling truck is wearing a hi vis vest too :)

I'm also highly surprised hard hats haven't become mandatory on the Tarmac.

IsDon
4th Jan 2017, 21:31
I'm also highly surprised hard hats haven't become mandatory on the Tarmac.

Yeah, with little yellow flashing lights on them.

Just waiting for the next waste of space, knee jerk reaction from the safety nazis which will, of course, achieve absolutely nothing but keep more of these parasites in a job.

MrWooby
4th Jan 2017, 23:55
Unfortunately, you will regret not wearing ear protection any time you were exposed to high levels of noise. Just wait till your hearing starts to fail and you start getting tinnitus, that constant ringing in your that never goes away. Bloody annoying. Basically if you allow your hearing to be damaged by industrial noise, you will eventually have some level of tinnitus.

Slippery_Pete
5th Jan 2017, 00:52
Completely agree regarding hearing protection representing a safety threat.

No-one is saying to expose yourself to loud noise, just be smart.

If there's someone pulling onto the next bay, put your earplugs in and stand in the shade for a minute.

If they shutdown and then the noise is minimal, then remove the protection on your walk around.

I never do walkarounds when there's high noise and movements nearby. Just plan around it.

t_cas
5th Jan 2017, 01:28
Mr Woody is correct.
APU, Aircon packs, brake fans etc... all emit harmful noise. You do not necessarily even hear the frequencies that do some of the most insidious damage To your hearing.

The issue that needs to be addressed is the root cause of these incidents. For starters situational awareness is very poorly displayed by many ramp staff. Complacency is often the culprit. Terms like, normalization of deviance or predictable surprise are linked to lack of care, be it from no training or no idea.

Walking the ramp during preflight should not it be riddled with more hazards created by muppets driving like lunatics. It is as though we need eyes in the back of our heads AND super ears that are impervious to the noise pollution....

CAR42ZE
5th Jan 2017, 02:16
My thoughts are with this individuals family. I know from personal experience doing walkarounds on quick transits and looking up at wings/upper fuselage/APU and having to take care of honey carts, baggage trolleys, caterer trucks, cleaners vans, witches hats, air con and power leads, fuelling points (sticking up and a trip hazard) and other miscellaneous hazards, the flightline isn't the safest environment at times.

I agree with t_cas that 'Situation Norm' sometimes comes out and you can get too complacent and managing that appropriately can be difficult for some workforces.

Slippery_Pete
5th Jan 2017, 02:49
Most common thing I trip over on walk arounds - witches hats. While predominantly looking UP at an aircraft during walk around, how is a six inch high small cone going to help me see a six foot high hydrant refuelling truck?

Answer - it won't. It's a safety detriment not improvement.

Custom made earplugs which block high frequency noise like APU but partially allow normal and low frequency noise are worth considering.

Capn Rex Havoc
5th Jan 2017, 04:56
The point I was making is - under what regulation is the security nazi - responsible for my hearing protection, and under what regulation can he stop a licensed foreign captain from conducting a walk around on his aircraft without the presentation of ear plugs.

Fingers in ears can help if there happens to be a jet near by taxying. The reality is, that APU's and high bypass engines are a hell off a lot quieter normal non airside environments these days. When I am doing my walk around in Sydney, its is often before the curfew period and there are no jets taxying and the APU on the 380 is so high up it is very quiet. Yet baggage trucks, water trucks, etc are whizzing around at a high rate of knots.

onetrack
5th Jan 2017, 05:20
There are two main ways people get run over by trucks - they get reversed over when they have their back to the vehicle - or in the case of articulated trucks, the driver doesn't swing wide enough with the prime mover at the commencement of a turn, and someone standing within the turning arc gets run over by the trailer wheels.

The second accident is most common at intersections or T-junctions when a truck driver turns left (with a RHD truck). Pedestrians standing at the corner are often unaware that the driver hasn't allowed for the trailer wheels "cutting the corner" - and the driver drags the trailer wheels up over the kerb and flattens the unwary pedestrian.

In industrial environments, it is of primary importance that reversing is kept to a minimum, and that a (human) guide or reversing camera is used to ensure that no-one is behind or in line with the vehicle when a reversing manouevre is undertaken.

A person wearing hearing protection and with their back to a reversing vehicle is a prime candidate for getting run over.

It's not likely that anyone would ever "make a full recovery" from being crushed by the wheels of a truck - laden or unladen.
Far better to be very aware of your surroundings, and to make sure that drivers can see you at all times - and that you preferably keep several metres away from any vehicle that is regularly moving.


EDIT: In the Channel 7 news video below, it appears likely the baggage handler was run over by the LH front wheel, when the truck driver drove forward, and turned sharply left.
It's likely the handler was standing in the drivers blind spot, at the far LH corner of the truck cabin, a notorious position for the initiation of truck accidents.
The truck driver is largely at fault here, for not ensuring that there was no-one in this blind-spot area, when he drove forward and turned sharply left.
There's a reason why many Japanese trucks, in particular, have glass extending well forward in the front lower area of the LHS door. It's to try and eliminate as much of that blind-spot as possible.
The handler is responsible to a lesser degree, for not being aware of the possibility of the truck moving off in a LH turn, and by not being aware that he was in the truck drivers blind spot.

Man hit by fuel truck at Perth airport (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/man-hit-by-fuel-truck-at-perth-airport/ar-BBxPJX7)

Wunwing
5th Jan 2017, 05:29
I have no intention of commenting on this case since I wasn't there.

It is a long while since a did a walk around at a busy airport but as a B707/747 LAME and FE I did my share in all conditions throughout the World.

What I noticed is that in my early days all ramp staff worked directly for airlines or fuel companies. There was a culture of awareness of the pilot or FE and that vehicles kept away from us during the walkaround process. By the time I retired most ramp staff were contractors with no airport culture or background and basically were so pushed by short staffing and cost cutting that they rarely even considered the situation.

The other thing that was noticeable was that the number of pilot/vehicle contacts dramatically increased in my company as the FEs disappeared. My suspicion is that the FEs were all ex apprentices. We started at 15 to 17 years old years old and rapidly developed a sixth sense/situational awareness of our work environment which initially did not include walking around a large aeroplane without looking at where we were walking.10 years + later we took that 6th sense to our new flying role. For the most part pilots went into that same dangerous environment in their mid to late 20s without that background.

Wunwing

angryrat
5th Jan 2017, 06:35
I've always thought that the most dangerous part of my day is the walk around. People just don't look and are in too much of a rush.

Wishing this fella a speedy recovery.

PoppaJo
5th Jan 2017, 09:17
Had this idiot passenger the other week in SYD, boarding via the Tarmac rear door decided he would walk up past the tail to get a shot of a departing A380. Another aircraft on taxi had to stop.

Amazed at the lack of pax incidents considering the amount of people who board via the Tarmac.

cooperplace
5th Jan 2017, 12:15
any news re the guy hit by the truck in perth?

1977
5th Jan 2017, 19:49
Hey Capt. Rex

The regs that cover the hearing issue are those that come from the Commonwealth WHS Act (2011), or those that fall out of it in the state the business is registered in.

In Aviation, the responsibilities associated with WHS are often seen as an embugerance. I certainly saw it that way during my 40 odd years in aviation, but if your SMS doesn't cover the WHS requirements then your company is in for a whole world of hurt. That's why you saw COMCARE guys crawling all over the fuel truck on Channel 7 and not CASA guys.

As I understand it, the security guys have no specific rights to enforce the WHS regs UNLESS they have been delegated that task by the business. Which business, I hear someone ask? Tarmacs are complex when it comes to who has the 'duty of care' under the Act, given the number of players. If a WHS claim is made, who is accountable? - the airport operator, the airline, the business whose equipment is emitting the noise?

In all cases your employer is accountable for you, so if the security staff have been delegated to ensure your company's staff have, and use, personal protective equipment (PPE) then they have a right, but if not, tell me to [email protected]$k off. My guess is that it is the airport operator that has delegated this to the security guys, and given you are using the airport's facilities under their conditions of use, they are likely well within their rights.

T_cas is on the money here, however, .... treating the root cause. PPE is a low level risk mitigation control. The use of higher level tools, from what is know as the 'hierarchy of controls', is the way to go in high hazard environments. The highest level is to remove the hazard altogether. If that's not possible, one should consider engineering solutions, just as the Japs have done with the use of extra glass in their truck design. Additional 'administrative' controls, such as SOPs that require a 'blind spot walker', would also add depth to the control process.

Sad thing is, many see all this as too costly (in time and money) and simply the creation of 'safety nazis'. Once implemented, humans deviate from the use of the controls because they see them as time wasting (normalisation of deviance).

As a closing thought, ask the family of the poor baggage handler, who is now in hospital, whether additional control measures would be worth it.

Supermouse3
5th Jan 2017, 22:46
haven't heard of how he is recovering,
but he is unlikely walk again.

as someone commented earlier he was run over by the front left wheel,
apparently he moved to stand there after the driver had completed a walk around of the truck, the rampie then was looking to the hangar/ terminal listening to the radio when the driver started moving.

YPJT
6th Jan 2017, 00:56
Having been a part time refueller I can imagine how the driver is feeling.

Very tragic for ALL concerned. Family, ramp and airline staff, fuel company, airport operator etc etc.

Traffic_Is_Er_Was
6th Jan 2017, 08:13
how is a six inch high small cone going to help me see a six foot high hydrant refuelling truck?
The witches hats are there to delineate a cordon around the hydrant truck for other ramp vehicles to remain outside. They are not there for pedestrians.

Kwod
7th Jan 2017, 01:13
Having been a part time refueller I can imagine how the driver is feeling.

Very tragic for ALL concerned. Family, ramp and airline staff, fuel company, airport operator etc etc.

Sadly there is an ad on seek for a Ramp Handler at Perth for Skippers

PAXboy
7th Jan 2017, 12:50
WunwingHAS IT:
What I noticed is that in my early days all ramp staff worked directly for airlines or fuel companies. There was a culture of awareness of the pilot or FE and that vehicles kept away from us during the walkaround process. By the time I retired most ramp staff were contractors with no airport culture or background and basically were so pushed by short staffing and cost cutting that they rarely even considered the situation.That is the whole story of the airlines. Unfortunately, it is also the whole story of the greatest majority of commercial organisations. Now that govts also run the country like this - we are all taxying on an unlit pavement at 3 in the morning, at a 'port we've never been to before, after a 12 hour sector ...

airtags
8th Jan 2017, 23:37
Paxboy/Wunwing - the casualization and the myopic race to the bottom stuff have given rise to changes in many areas; most have not been for the betterment of aviation safety - however, many of the refuellers are in fact very experienced and many do have strong aviation backgrounds.

Walking around you do see some ramp crews that need more than a refresher in safe thinking and you also see some that have an excellent safety attitude. For example, there's a young bloke refuelling in BNE that is excellent and he has the eyes of a hawk and a passion for safety- he even shut down the refuel when another vehicle came too close at speed.

Think it is important that we don't 'brand' all airside on casual contracts as being of a lesser mindset - rather, we should to focus on the primary causal factors which are the wilful 'cascade of reduced obligation' and 'delineated liability' by operators through shelf organisations and remote labour hire. It is this fragmentation that creates gaps in policy, procedures and risk.

Kind thoughts to all those affected by this incident

onehitwonder
26th Jan 2017, 12:00
Outcome? CASA? Regulate ground and air...