Can We Borrow Donald Trump Please?

[Sunfish]

We need a Donald Trump to drain our local swamp - Canberra.

[Jabawocky]

YES PLEASE x 10^6

The constitution/bill of rights too while we are at it. :ok:

[le Pingouin]

C'mon, Clive had a wallow and that went really well didn't it.

[titan uranus]

I think the US has just commenced the genuine reckoning that's well overdue for the inane political correctness we've all had to endure both in politics and corporations.
It may not be pretty, but it's sends a powerful message.

[peterc005]

Clive Palmer is a perfect example of a popularist boofhead who leaves nothing behind him except an embarassing trail of disappointment and a mess. Perfect parallel for Trump.

Trump = Palmer ^10

[Duck Pilot]

From what I hear he is pretty aviation savvy.

Luv him, hate him it ain't gunna change him from being the most powerful man in the world for the next 4 years.

It's gunna be fun.

At least he will change the status-quo, we certainly need some of that here.

[peterc005]

Australia is prosperous, safe and stable. Possibly the most so in the world.

We need leaders who are dedicated, honest and smart. Last thing we need is a pompous ******** with a history of "stiffing" people he doesn't feel like paying.

[Pinky the pilot]

We need leaders who are dedicated, honest and smart

No argument from me there. Would someone care to tell me where we can find such leaders, because currently we do not have them!!!:*:ugh:

Australia is prosperous, safe and stable.

For how much longer??:confused::sad:

[emeritus]

Australia.....Great country. Pity it's been so badly managed.

[jas24zzk]

Australia.....Great country. Pity it's been so badly managed.

I think they said that about america too...hence the result.

[Marauder]

Time to have a businessman to run arguably the biggest corporation on earth, rather than a politician

[triton140]

Time to have a businessman to run arguably the biggest corporation on earth

None in sight unfortunately, we'll just have to make do with Trump ...

:E

[Kenny]

From what I hear he is pretty aviation savvy.

Really?..

He hates unions and his only attempt at running an airline was a complete disaster.

N.Y.-to-D.C. shuttle fiasco sheds light on what a Trump presidency may be - StarTribune.com (http://www.startribune.com/n-y-to-d-c-shuttle-fiasco-sheds-light-on-what-a-trump-presidency-may-be/397836001/)

If you want some light reading, Google Frank Lorenzo, who the Donald is pictured shaking hands with in the article.

[aroa]

Sunny...the sentiments of many, many people in this country

Cantberra has turned into a fairyland. Laborals and Libor are too busy playing the game of getting and holding power....whatever it takes.
And in the bureaucrazies as well,the higher up the food chain the more talking and money wasting they do.

Leadership We saw recently a new "leader" in non aviation house. Melted away like a snowflake in hell..which it is...with nil results for the industry.

Where to from here?? No change possible under existing circumstances, thats for sure.

Oh Aussie "Donald" wherefore art thou. ?

[le Pingouin]

Have any of you who think Donald is so wonderful actually read any of his history? He's a great self promoter, not a great businessman. He'd have failed long ago except the the banks decided the buildings were worth more with his name on than without.

[aroa]

Its not so much THAT Donald people are on about...its about a change that is a complete getaway from the current status quo.

"Twiggy" "Dick" "Tom" or whatever the name..its the real, positive and productive changes that we require.

Politics is a filthy business, so you can see why good and knowledgable folk steer well clear of any involvement.

And beating yr head against any bureaucratic wall/iron ring/naysayers/troughdwelling donothings is an impossible task.
Thats how its set up...by self servants, for self servants...how to blow it open???

We, the people are superfluous

[lee_apromise]

Why not bring John Howard back?

[zac21]

Why not bring John Howard back?
Thank you lee,,, My sentiments too,,,,

[mikewil]

From what I hear he is pretty aviation savvyShame we don't have any candidates here who own their own 757.

I guess we have Dick but hes only going to be left with his Caravan when he sells the Citation.

What ever happened to Dick running a couple candidates, all talk I guess?

[Jbrownie]

I hope all the fleeing citizens increase air traffic and the airlines are force to expand more and hire excellent pilots such as MYSELF :)

[Aussie Bob]

If you have even a shred of hope that Trump will do anything he has promised you are living in la-la land.

I would have thought with a population of 320 odd million people that the Americans would have come up with two decent politicians but they failed abysmally. Hillary was no alternative to this buffoon.

Let's see ...... wall separating Mexico and restoration of the middle and working class of America to financial solvency are but two of his promises. Rebuilding American manufacturing is another.

Let's hope the deluded among you have the fortitude to come back to this thread in four years time, recall your words and see if any of the rhetoric from this multi times bankrupt tycoon has come to pass. My guess is that if you do return you will be eating your words.

Why not bring John Howard back? If that is your solution for Australia your total lack of imagination is embarrassing.

[zac21]

Why not bring John Howard back?

Ok Bob, would you propose someone better for the job,, ??? !!!

[Octane]

Paul Keating

[Frank Arouet]

Peterc looks like a refreshing candidate. What could possibly go wrong?

[Pinky the pilot]

Ok Bob, would you propose someone better for the job,, ??? !!!

I'm curious as well Bob. Your recommendation please.

[Aussie Bob]

Come on folks, real imagination is required, not dredging up dinosaurs from the past. Your man Johnny is still convinced Saddam had WMDs and our involvement in Middle East wars was a good idea.

When you good people continually elect millionaires, all you can expect is policy that favours and expands the wealth of the 1% at the expense of ordinary Australians.

You want my real imagination from me because you lack any? All it would do is start a political argument on an aviation forum and lead to thread lock.

Have a good night dreaming of your man Don who would no doubt get on well with your other mate John.

If you think Trumpets words are new and inspiring why don't you go back 8 years to the "Hope and Change" campaign his predecessor sprouted. I think you will find "hope" was the demise of middle class America and change was related to Bruce Jenners sex op and normalising of the abnormal.

[lee_apromise]

I understand your points Bob. Vote for me in the next election. I will run with a slogan "MAKE CASA GREAT AGAIN." I will replace CASR, CAO, CAR and CAAP with U.S FAR and NZ CAR.

My promise to aviation constituents:
1) No more IPCs as long as you performed 6 instrument approaches in the preceding 6 months.
2) Reduce flight test fees to $400 with mandatory lunch paid by ATOs if a candidate passes his/her flight test
3) No more landing fees
4) Change ATC phrase "decimal" to "point"
5) Set up a national flying school in CBR to keep the horrendous flight schools fees down
6) No more $100~$150 fee per written exam. You can attempt all or parts of CPL or ATPL written tests at once by paying once.

[Pinky the pilot]

Oh come on Bob! I asked you for your recommendation as for to whom to vote in any future election.

Not your observations/opinions on what was done in the past!:=

And purely for the helluva it; lee_apromise; Well put! :ok: Seriously, I would not argue against any of that! Especially the ATO paying for lunch!!:E:D:ok:

Once had a very liquid lunch many moons ago with a (then) DCA Examiner of Airmen but we won't discuss that here....(hic):E

[Godot64]

Careful what you wish for. We'll almost certainly see our own Donald Trump in the not too distant future. Now he's in there, I hope Trump does well. I'll be amazed if he actually manages to pull off a full term, though.

[601]

4) Change ATC phrase "decimal" to "point"

That is about as radical as changing the Marriage Act.

[gerry111]

lee apromise and 601, :D

Quote: 4) Change ATC phrase "decimal" to "point"

Yes please! But isn't it usually pronounced: "Daysimal"?

126 point 7 please.

[prospector]

Aussie Bob, How have you formed your opinion of the Donald?

Have a read of the interview below, might perhaps shift your stance a bit.



https://www.rt.com/news/366371-pilger-trump-clinton-liberals/

[Band a Lot]

My nominations for next PM.


No idea of policy's but they all present well, speak well and no mater how many times they sell their assets, they still own them.

Also would get great trade deals with USA over next term.


Elle Macpherson
Jennifer Hawkins
Delta Goodrem

[Aussie Bob]

Aussie Bob, How have you formed your opinion of the Donald?From what I have read and seen in the media, obviously I don't know him. My opinion of him is infinitesimally greater than my opinion of Hillary so it was a relief to see him elected. I am watching him with interest and hope I eat my words, I really do.

Oh come on Bob! I asked you for your recommendation as for to whom to vote in any future electionPinky, that is an impossible question because different people have different opinions of what is desirable or not. Sadly there is no one I would recommend on the current political landscape. If I said Pauline I am sure you would scream but (unbelievably) there would be some out there who would agree.

What I would like to see is politicians held accountable for their promises. I would like to see them voted out of office or dismissed instantly for intentionally lying. If a politician stands for re-election, his history of previous promises and the delivery or lack thereof should be a fundamental part of any subsequent election campaign. If this was brought in we would get rid of most currently in office and may well get a better quality of person. Getting rid of massive political donations would be another step in right direction. Having self funded folk like Clive buying their way in is another thing that should be stopped.

Sadly most voters have a short memory and even worse actually expect politicians to lie. I register my disgust by no longer voting. I want someone who is truthful and honest and actually represents the average Australian. Until then I am happy for you to make the choice. Then I have someone to blame for who we get :rolleyes:

The last thing I want is to see old politicians from the past recycled. Sure, Johnny had some likeable aspects but he was no better than what we have today and frankly we deserve better that what we have currently.

The interesting thing about Donald is that people are waking up to the old ways and voting out establishment politicians. Whether this is good or not time will tell and we shall see.

Edit: Prospector thanks for the link, I am a bit of a Pilger fan.

[Pinky the pilot]

If I said Pauline I am sure you would scream

Actually, you'd be wrong!

What I would like to see is politicians held accountable for their promises. I would like to see them voted out of office or dismissed instantly for intentionally lying. If a politician stands for re-election, his history of previous promises and the delivery or lack thereof should be a fundamental part of any subsequent election campaign. If this was brought in we would get rid of most currently in office and may well get a better quality of person. Getting rid of massive political donations would be another step in right direction. Having self funded folk like Clive buying their way in is another thing that should be stopped.


Concur 100%:ok:

Sure, Johnny had some likeable aspects but he was no better than what we have today and frankly we deserve better that what we have currently.


As above! However; I loathe Johnny in one respect, in that he sold out licenced and law abiding Firearms owners, deliberately vilifying some of them purely for the purpose of 'looking decisive.':*

The interesting thing about Donald is that people are waking up to the old ways and voting out establishment politicians. Whether this is good or not time will tell and we shall see.


Also agreed. However, I will stick my neck out and say that it is a good thing! For far too long now we have had a political class, a breed of politicians who have the belief that only they know what is good for the 'great unwashed.'
This has merely ensured a Parliament stacked with time servers, idealogues and people whose only interest is themselves and the eventual attaining of the obscenely generous Parliamentary pension and assorted perks!:yuk::}:ugh:

Cynical? Who.....me????

[Aussie Bob]

As above! However; I loathe Johnny in one respect, in that he sold out licenced and law abiding Firearms owners, deliberately vilifying some of them purely for the purpose of 'looking decisive.'We have way more in common than you might think :ok:

Not that I am into guns any more but I was once.

I will stick my neck out and say that it is a good thing! For far too long now we have had a political class, a breed of politicians who have the belief that only they know what is good for the 'great unwashed.' Sadly I think Don is going to side with the above mentioned politicians and view the average American as "unwashed".

[onetrack]

Pinky - Please explain how responsible firearms owners are vilified today, purely because one politician had the guts to cut down on the huge number of unnecessary firearms within Australia - and who, through that legislation to ban automatic and assault firearms, actually managed to give us 20 years without a mass slaughter by a crazed firearm owner. Incidentally, the homicide rate from tighter control of firearms reduced by 60% in the same period.
Spoken by a veteran with more than a passing familiarity with military firearms, and who has been, in the past, a responsible firearm owner, having owned multiple firearms at the one time.

As regards the Donald - it amazes me that so many downtrodden working class Americans were prepared to vote in a billionaire President, who has made a lifetime career out of ripping people off.
He is erratic, a BS-artist of the highest order, a narcissist, his stated policies are unworkable - and he possesses no vision, other than one where he is at the centre of the Universe, and is worshipped like a God.
He basically craves worship and adulation, and the office of President is his dream come true. Unfortunately, he's totally unaware of the massive responsibilities that come with that office.

One thing I can promise, is that American working class people will be no better off at the end of the Donalds first term, than they are right now.

The problem simply is one of crushing debt - monstrous Govt debt, and huge levels of personal debt, that neither the U.S. Govt, nor individual Americans, will ever be able to get on top of.
The Donalds plans to launch massive infrastructure projects and restore the steel and coal industries to what they were previously, are merely dreams that will collapse in the face of reality.
Those reality questions will be along the lines of, "where are you going to get the money? - and how exactly do you plan to repay it?".

If The Donald prints money without asset backing (as I fully expect him to do), then that will only lead to a short-term feeling of wealth for working class Americans - followed by a bout of inflation that will destroy any wealth they thought they had gained.

[ramble on]

Aussie Bob for PM............!

[HarleyD]

Pinky- grow up mate, the 50's are over, ya can't go back, regardless of the appeal of those halcyon days. Or just emigrate to UNZUD, they're getting close to the 70's by now, but a calmer gentler culture to be sure. Don't judge kiwis by the ones over here. (Orr moi gawd I sound like Trumpy-poo I do)

Onetrack - I don't always agree with what I see from you, but I reckon you're close to the money this time. I like to find something nice to say if I haven't been having too many mind improvers. ��

The Donald is a problem, not a solution, and I think this will become apparent in the coming months and years if he lasts that long. He won't drain the swamp, he will dive into it and wallow in the mud like all the other dinosaur park promoters.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HD

[stilton]

Borrow him ? you can keep the crazy bastard

[Aussie Bob]

As regards the Donald - it amazes me that so many downtrodden working class Americans were prepared to vote in a billionaire President, who has made a lifetime career out of ripping people off.

Poor bastards .... what was their alternative? A criminally insane women instead?

[Flying Binghi]

via onetrack:
...his stated policies are unworkable - and he possesses no vision...

The problem simply is one of crushing debt - monstrous Govt debt, and huge levels of personal debt, that neither the U.S. Govt, nor individual Americans, will ever be able to get on top of.
The Donalds plans to launch massive infrastructure projects and restore the steel and coal industries to what they were previously, are merely dreams that will collapse in the face of reality.
Those reality questions will be along the lines of, "where are you going to get the money? - and how exactly do you plan to repay it?".

"No vision" ?
President elect Trump put out a 'contract with the American voter'... https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf


Joanne Nova comments...

Trump named Myron Ebell as his new “EPA Dismantler”.

“Ebell, the director of the Center for Energy and Environment at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and a prominent climate-change skeptic, was chosen at the end of September to head the Environmental Protection Agency’s transition team…” – Newsweek

Ebell is a complete skeptic. I’ve met him at Heartland Climate Change conferences and he’s a good man. A great choice.

In May Trump offered up the Skeptics Christmas Wish List:

1) Trump pledged to rip up Paris climate agreement in energy speech -

2) Trump railed against “draconian climate rules” -

3) and withdraw any funding for United Nations programs related to global warming.

Trump Victory: The Beginning of the End of Global Climate Scare « JoNova (http://joannenova.com.au/2016/11/trump-victory-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-global-climate-scare/)

As cheap power is the basis of a productive economy it looks to me that Trump is on the right track. ...and stopping Billion dollar payments to the U.N, well...:cool:





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[KittyKatKaper]

I totally understand why people are peeed-off with the career political-classes., I am too., but I do not grant my vote to insane narcissists.
He won't have the shackles of a senate that has been in practical gridlock for the past 8 years because of an obsessive opposition to anything, anything that the Dems proposed.
It's only been 4 days since the election and the D has started to modify some of his 'promises'. I wonder how his rabid followers will cope with that.

Sigh.

[Flying Binghi]

The election is over KittyKatKaper, there is no need to regurgitate the media story..:)

[le Pingouin]

Ummm, Donald has already said he won't trash the whole of "Obamacare"........

[onetrack]

Aussie Bob - Certainly, Hillary was not a viable alternative - a power-hungry animal if ever there was one. But the interesting part is the amount of Republicans who intensely dislike Trump and his policies. Trump will be the most polarising leader the world has ever seen.

He's a poor listener, shallow as a roadside puddle, claims he's never read a book right through, has the attention span of a 5 yr old, and is a perennial agitator who delights in initiating agitation, without any providing any worthy answers or ideas himself.

I've worked with people just like Trump - they are essentially bipolar and a PIA to try and work with, and they will change tack and direction a complete 180 degrees, so fast, you don't even see it coming.

The man is one of the classic erratic managers, who mistakes movement for action, and hates to see a peaceful pond, intent on producing major ripples in it, and then imagining those ripples are life-changing events initiated by him - when all they do, is cause upset and discord.

[tio540]

Trump wants to make America great again.


The Greens, Democrats, CNN, and Walid Ali were right, Trump is nuts.


The USA really just needs same sex marriage, windfarms, free hooch, and solar panels, and everything will be just fine.

[Jenna Talia]

Johnny H and that idiot dropkick deputy of his JA had a good hand in ruining GA in this country. Selling off Hoxton Park that lead to its ultimate closure. Bankstown and Camden look how brilliant that turned out. Followed by privatising Sydney and the rest of the airports in the capital and regional centres, followed by ASIC's for everyone.

Pigs in troughs.:\

[kaz3g]

Time to have a businessman to run arguably the biggest corporation on earth, rather than a politician

We got one here but, like others it seems, lots of promises and SFA action.

Kaz

[onetrack]

Unfortunately, I believe Trump only sees the Presidency of USA Inc as a handy extension of Trump Inc, and he can't differentiate between the two.
The latest stunt of slotting all his family and friends into powerful positions around the Presidency is just a sign of the nepotism and cronyism to come.
I personally reckon the Trump Presidency will equal Mugabes, for nepotism and incompetence.

Uncle Sams finances will no doubt become conveniently and inextricably linked to Trump Inc's finances, because of Trump's likely inability to keep his personal wealth separate from Govt wealth.

I'm inclined to agree with the election result guru, Prof. Allan Lichtman, with regard to Trumps Presidency - that Trump will be impeached during the course of his Presidency - and it will be a toss-up between whether the impeachment is due to Trump financial tie-up woes, or Trumps erratic behaviour and decision-making, that leads to some disastrous Govt actions.

[Flying Binghi]

via onetrack: ...I'm inclined to agree with the election result guru, Prof. Allan Lichtman, with regard to Trumps Presidency - that Trump will be impeached during the course of his Presidency - and it will be a toss-up between whether the impeachment is due to Trump financial tie-up woes, or Trumps erratic behaviour and decision-making, that leads to some disastrous Govt actions.

eerrr, onetrack, is that the same Professor Lichtman that run as a Democrate for the Maryland U.S. Senate ticket and only got 1.2% of the vote!!! That were a consultant to the al gore Presidental run of 1992. And that gets a large number of pay checks from the Trump attacking print and TV media. Oh, and i think that Lichtman clown also works at the global warming hysteria pushing American University..:hmm:

...So, outside of picking Presidential winners, do we take any notice of that lichtman......:hmm:




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[hiwaytohell]

The latest stunt of slotting all his family and friends into powerful positions around the Presidency is just a sign of the nepotism and cronyism to come.

And of course this does not happen in state & federal governments here in Australia! Our system is rife with cronyism!!!

[allthecoolnamesarego]

Relevance to aviation?
Mods??

[Band a Lot]

At a guess - USA as a aircraft manufacturer and Australia's exports to USA of almost $1 billion in aircraft related stuff.

So that will or will not effect Australian aviation depending on, well Mr Trump.

[Flying Binghi]

via allthecoolnamesarego:
Relevance to aviation?

And apart from the military the "aircraft related stuff" depends on paying passengers. The useful idiot greens and the global warming profiteers, aka illery clinton and turnBull, want to reduce air travel or add carbon taxes to the pax seat. Trump, who's business life has revolved around travellers, will likely want more flying pax..:)




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[onetrack]

Binghi - Prof. Lichtman might be a DemonRat - but that's irrelevant, when the simple fact remains, he has accurately predicted the outcome of every U.S. Presidential election since 1984, by utilising his carefully-structured, 13-key true/false question formula.

[allthecoolnamesarego]

There is very little talk of aviation in this thread. Most is political ideology that can be discussed elsewhere.

[Flying Binghi]

via onetrack: Prof. Lichtman might be a DemonRat - but that's irrelevant, when the simple fact remains, he has accurately predicted the outcome of every U.S. Presidential election since 1984, by utilising his carefully-structured, 13-key true/false question formula.

No disagreement with his presidential winner picking skills. It is lichtmans other political forays and comments that show up his limited abilitys to comment on Trump. e.g, Lichtman took out a major mortgage on his own house for his senate bid and only got 1.2% of the vote - he came in 6th! - What a political genius..:rolleyes:

Have a read of some of lichtmans news articles and you will find he is not only a democrat he is also one of those global warming hysterics. Trump wants to rid America of the global warming scam, so...




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[gerry111]

allthecoolnamesarego wrote:

"There is very little talk of aviation in this thread. Most is political ideology that can be discussed elsewhere."

Perhaps that's true?

But with 58 comments posted over about four days, some people are certainly watching.

It's not compulsory viewing, mate. :rolleyes: