TAP Portugal new Admissions

[trancada]

TAP Portugal will recruit more F/O’s

The requisites are:
Minimum age of 21 years maximum 40 years (inclusive);
- Commercial Pilot Licence Aeroplane with Multi-engined qualifications and Instruments and valid multiengine;
- Airline Theory issued JAR or EASA FCL and valid under "EASA IR Part FCL.025";
- Minimum experience of 250 hours of flight as airplane pilot;
- Qualification in MCC;
- Minimum Education Year 12 or equivalent official (recognized by the Ministry of Education Portuguese);
- Portuguese Domain and English (written and spoken);
- Level of English ICAO Aeronautical less than 4 (duly endorsed in the license);
- Computer skills in the perspective of the user;
- Total availability to the course start date (referred to in the schedule);
- Not having been excluded in TAP PORTUGAL, less than 1 year in evidence in Assessment Aeronautics; Psychological evaluation; Simulator and final Jury Interview;
- Not have failed two or more times in entrance exams for pilots at TAP PORTUGAL and / or qualification course in TAP PORTUGAL;
- Not having been excluded less than two years in technical school for pilot held in TAP PORTUGAL.

. PROFILE OF CANDIDATE

- Excellent communication skills;
- Excellent interpersonal and teamwork skills;
- Excellent leadership skills;
- Excellent problem solving skills and decision-making;
- Solid aeronautical knowledge;
- Excellent technical and operational performance.

3. SELECTION PROCESS

- Curricular analysis;
- Aeronautical evaluation;
- Psychological evaluation;
- Medical evaluation;
- Technical Event simulator;
- Final Interview Jury.

4. REGISTRATION

Interested employees must register your application via the website www.recrutamento.tap.pt (link competitions) and send to email: [email protected], TAP Model no. 1793 (duly completed, stating the opinion of the respective hierarchies, making reference to this circular and deliver photocopies of the following documents, in Recruitment and Selection, 25-2º building floor, room 210, to 4 deadline of November 2016 (date on which will have to check and verify all the requirements).

- Certificate of Qualification;
- Flight license, medical certificate, MCC certificate, Airline Theory;
- Flight Record (following sheets to the last check, inclusive);
- Academic Degree Certificate;
- Valid passport;
- 2 passport photos.

Applications which do not present any documentation requested the deadline for the submission will not be considered.


CONTRACT EXPIRATION

Maximum one (1) year to fill vacancies.


The Contest Rules and Schedule are available at the address mentioned in 4, and given to all applicants who request them.


You can see the following link :

https://recrutamento.tap.pt/Recrutamento_UI/Concursos.aspx

Having experience on Airbus FBW is an advantage.

[trancada]

Also Portugalia , wich is now TAP EXPRESS has plans to had more Embraer 190, in the first quarter of 2017.

[Turbavykas]

Is that for the internal candidates only?

[trancada]

This is for external. Since you have this requisites you can apply.

[trancada]

TAP opened a pilot recruitment process, with applications running until 4 November to respond to the launch of 11 new routes and frequencies provided reinforcement for the summer operation.

According to the published announcement will be eligible individuals of both sexes, aged between 21 and 40 years of age (inclusive), enabled with a commercial pilot license airplane and have at least 250 hours of pilot .

official source of TAP confirmed to Lusa that the recruitment of new drivers - without a set number - aims to address the need for renewal of the cadres, but also "has a lot to do with the company's growth plans."

TAP will launch 11 new routes in 2017, of which seven are in Europe, three in Africa and one in North America, announced on 04 October the CEO, Fernando Pinto, in a meeting with workers to publicize the plans for the future of the carrier.
Fernando Pinto said that the launch of new routes, which should take place "in principle in the summer", is part of the growth strategy of the privatized carrier.

Next year, TAP aims to strengthen the operation in the autonomous regions, in Porto, Lisbon and Faro, "due to the growth of tourism in Portugal."

In the presentation to employees, the manager also mentioned the intention to relaunch routes in Brazil, which had a reduction in frequency motivated by political and economic instability that is the main market of TAP, which was also very impacted by the devaluation of the real.
According to Fernando Pinto, this enhanced TAP is only possible thanks to investment in fleet renewal through the interior of 48 aircraft, budgeted at 70 million euros, and the acquisition of aircraft.

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David Neeleman, one of the new shareholders of TAP, will be one of the speakers at Web Summit, the last day of the event on 10 November.

Clodagh Kilcoyne / Reuters

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TAP will be the first operator of Airbus A330neo aircraft equipped with the new version of Airspace booth and will present it to your 'stand' exhibition at Web Summit, which will take place from 7 to 10 November in Lisbon.

During this worldwide conference of entrepreneurship and innovation taking place in Lisbon will be possible to see how will the interior of the cabin of future aircraft, in what will be a first in the demonstration of the new car to the public not connected to aviation.

According to officials of the national airline, visitors to the exhibitor TAP Web Summit "will see the new and innovative 'design' of the aircraft cabin, try their comfortable chairs [class] executive and still perform a virtual tour of the aircraft ".

In April this year, TAP ordered Airbus aircraft A330-900neo 14, becoming the first airline to operate the new aircraft A330neo with Airspace cabin version.

"The company's customers will be the first to enjoy a new travel experience, in which stand out the comfort, the environment, the 'design' and the service. Combining modernity and new technologies, new aircraft also features unbeatable features in efficiency, versatility and reliability, "noted a statement from TAP.

Among the international celebrities invited to intervene in Web Summit will be David Neeleman, one of the new shareholders of TAP, chaired by Fernando Pinto.

The presentation of David Neeleman will take place on the last day of the event, the 10th of November.

"Given the importance of the Web Summit to Portugal, TAP was associated with their achievement as Sponsor, still offering its extensive network of destinations in the thousands of visitors who will come to Portugal this period. Also the UP, inflight magazine of TAP , joined to this realization dedicating its October issue to the Web Summit, aimed in particular Portugal and their bets on innovation and entrepreneurship, "concludes the statement said.

[EDDT]

The times for new joiners in Europe seem really good.
Many majors and good airlines looking for FO's with decent contracts.
AF,BA,Tap, Brussels, Austrian, Air Berlin, Finnair and others.
Who would still waste time with dodgy contracts from Ireland?

[trancada]

Some contrevercy in the portuguese goverment.

The parliamentary group of the Socialist Party questioned the government over what it says is "discrimination on the grounds of age" by TAP, since "most of the recruitment competitions" of the air carrier determine a maximum candidate's age.
In a written question to the Minister of Planning and Infrastructure, Members of the Socialist Party, asked the Government to "consider it acceptable that a Portuguese flag carrier, mostly controlled by public capital, promote discrimination in access to employment on the basis of age."
The Socialists also interrogate the executive, led by the Socialist, the actual prime minister, Antonio Costa if "given or will give directions to the administration of TAP for the opening of the next recruitment process this situation is corrected and that the conditions of access to be reviewed."
It is that stress, "in addition to their obligation to serve the entire national territory in a balanced way, TAP Portugal has a special obligation to be a model in its performance, a regulator of good practice". The origin of the PS parliamentary group initiative is the fact that "most of TAP recruitment competitions" discriminate "access to jobs on the basis of age, putting as a condition a top candidate's age at job ". "The last tenders opened by TAP for Engineering Specialist Recruitment, to the area of ​​Maintenance and Engineering, stipulated as the maximum age for admission 30 years or 35 years in case of relevant professional experience," advances, still pointing another case in recruiting Cabin Cockpit (commissioners or flight attendants), where "TAP required that applicants for these jobs had between 21 and 26 years." "Examples follow one another and the Parliamentary Group of the Socialist Party received a number of complaints with their ads to different functions, not considering acceptable to exclude a wide range of the population," support the Members of the Socialist Party.

[trancada]

After this intervention, TAP was obligated to remove maximum age, as it used to have.

[maxed-out]

It won't stop them simply failing to invite older candidates though.

[captplaystation]

Very short time scale for interested candidates to present their resumes in Lisboa"personally" has been given. For anyone holding down a job in another country it is next to impossible to schedule a trip to Lisboa at the notice/in the time frame given . . . thereby favouring those they wish to select anyhow. . . . .:hmm:

[trancada]

Date limit to apply , was delayed until 15th November.

[zerograv]

Não existem concursos...

That is to say: No ongoing recruitment...

TAP might have removed the maximum age. It might even be that they might recruit someone over the previous age limit, just to pretend compliance with the new governmental wishes ... but strongly doubt it will happen :suspect:

[trancada]

Around 400 candidates for 36 vacancies.

[trancada]

The actual administration decided, to remove all ages limitations, for all vacancies.

[TugaFly]

Am I right to think that the recruitment is finished, and the guys who been picked are already on they're TR course?

[trancada]

TAP Portugal announced recently on a video to the employees that new admitions will occur until the end of the year.
90 more F/O's.
Until 2022 a fleet renewal with A320/321 NEO and will add more A330NEO than initially planned.
The A340 will phase-out next year.

[trancada]

Admissions will continue.
In a year 170 new first officers.
The introduction of the A330NEO in September, and 3 A321 NEO.

[trancada]

For the first time in TAP PORTUGAL history, a pilot with 52 years old was admitted . As the actual government banned the age limitation that was normal to have , as maximum 35 years sometimes 49 years old., this man was lucky.

This is an example for the industry !

[Fadecwithnos]

any information regarding the assessment?

[trancada]

TAP announced this year will hire 170 F/O's

[trancada]

The requirements are changing.
People working there, have never seen so many advertisements, during the year to hire NTR F/O.
In an average of 2 month, requirements change.
The last one, English mandatory, Portuguese preferential.
Pilots are learning much more.
One of the good things that happened this year, with pilot union, is the compensation that, the company has to pay if you work in off-days or in leave-days.
Other is the company must compensate pilots, while they wet lease aircraft from other companies, to make TAP flights, like HIFLY is doing MPM,NAT,NAT and REC, EUROATLANTIC is doing CCS.

[trancada]

https://recrutamento.tap.pt/Recrutamento_UI/Concursos.aspx

[TugaFly]

You forgot to mention that you have to pay 30.000€ for the a320 rating.

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Jus came up today

[TugaFly]

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Type-Rating Cost

[trancada]

It is deducted from the salary.
New pilots don't pay it directly.
They will have a lower BASIC Salary. But in actual operational panorama, pilots are getting good cash at the end of the month.
Don't Forget that in Portugal, workers receive 14 salaries per year. 12 month*holliday Salary+Christmas Salary

[TugaFly]

How much does a TAP FO make monthly after tax?
Don’t forget that in Portugal you’ll pay over 40% tax...

[trancada]

Even with those taxes the cash is good.
They pay very good per-diems, you can save money during your staying.

Taxes are high. In Portugal half of
the salary is to pay the “ chulos” of the government.

But ok staring with 3500€ net in Portugal you live well. Don’t need to rent a house in Cascais or Sintra. There other neighborhoods places to live and nice ones.

If you need a credit it is easy, because pilots start their contract permanent, but the first 6 month are experimental.

[TugaFly]

€30.000 divided by 36 months is €833 a month.

Monthly salary €3500 minus €833 is €2667 for 3 years and you call that “good cash”?

Am I missing something here??? I know flight attendants who get paid more than that.

I just don’t understand why TAP as decided to charge for the TR, cause they’ve never done it before. People complain about Ryanair but then think it’s ok for a flag carrier to charge €30.000 for a TR.

[a350pilots]

This is a seniority based airline, and the first years a an junior FO.

Whilst I do not agree with seniority in the airline industry (I think it is outdated
and a legacy of the past) it does protect the current workforce employing DEC.

If this is net pay (after tax), it means a gross salary >5000EUR.
I doubt that cadets in most airline earn much more.

And you are not charged for the TR, but bonded - fair enough.

[TugaFly]

I agree with you with the outdated seniority.

In regards to the Type-Rating TAP charges €30.000 for it, deducted from you monthly salary.

[trancada]

I agree with you with the outdated seniority.

In regards to the Type-Rating TAP charges €30.000 for it, deducted from you monthly salary.

sorry it never happened.
nobody hasn’t deducted directly from their salaries has you mentioned .

the basic salary initially is lower, but believe if you work on off days , extra duty you get good cash . 3500€ as I told you is a reference. Sometimes can be more.

[TugaFly]

Exactly, it never happened, but it’s happening now...

https://recrutamento.tap.pt/Recrutamento_UI/Concursos.aspx

Please read point 8.8 and 8.9.

Thank you

[trancada]

I suggest you all to go there, and clarify about the actual T&Cs

[aviationfanatic]

Disappointing news, a legacy carrier should not be charging €30,000 for an A320 Type Rating when LCC are actually charging way less than that.

[TugaFly]

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80.000€ ��

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80.000€ ��


In Brasil?

Let’s see next destination? Dubai? China? to bring pilots back, :) :)

[dan1165]

Email received from TAP recruitment Dept. asking for my documents . I sent everything but then no news back ... :suspect:

[Daddy Fantastic]

Email received from TAP recruitment Dept. asking for my documents . I sent everything but then no news back ... :suspect:

Do you speak Portuguese?

[dan1165]

No I don't and it was not a requirement in their email :} ...

[Daddy Fantastic]

No I don't and it was not a requirement in their email :} ...

Hope it pans out for you!

[aviationfanatic]

Is there any info on the bond please?

[TugaFly]

It’s not a bond, it’s 30.000€ TR paid in 36 months. It’s 833€ deducted from your net salary every month.

[trancada]

Their roadshow in São Paulo seem to be sucessfull. All room full more than 400 candidates.
I wonder to know what the pilots union will say about this. About convertion of brazilian licences to EASA.

[Lepo]

Their roadshow in São Paulo seem to be sucessfull. All room full more than 400 candidates.
I wonder to know what the pilots union will say about this. About convertion of brazilian licences to EASA.

I'd say most candidates were just curious about the T&C offered by TAP. Probably no more than 1/4 of all those 400 people would apply for the job.

Regarding conversion of licences to EASA, actually it's not a conversion. The licence would be validated by the Portuguese CAA and the pilot would have to convert (on his own) to a full EASA licence within 18 months otherwise will lose the job (which means sitting the 14 ATPL subjects and doing a Skill Test). Ryanair recently did a roadshow in Brazil and it was exactly the same thing.

[dan1165]

How long after sending out your documents to TAP did you receive their invitation for assessment ? ... Still no news for me .. :rolleyes:

[ArmApp]

Lepo I was wondering if us foreigners from Europe can fly in Brazil same way as you may fly here as you explained?
I checked years ago and....not, only Brazilian passport holders can fly there, your CAA protects local pilots...so...

[Lepo]

Lepo I was wondering if us foreigners from Europe can fly in Brazil same way as you may fly here as you explained?
I checked years ago and....not, only Brazilian passport holders can fly there, your CAA protects local pilots...so...


The thing is: Brazil has a very big Portuguese/Italian/German community and thus a lot of brazilians are descendants from europeans, so they also hold an EU Passport and are legally allowed to live and work in the EU. They basically need to convert their ICAO licences to an EASA one in order to be able to fly for european carriers.

[ArmApp]

Anyway good luck everyone. Hope TAP reacts quikly or they will miss the pilots with experiece on type since we all have many options to fly, hopefully...

[maddog8387]

Hello to everyone guys,
anyone know what the written test is about? any differences for non-type rated and type rated?
Any info about the psychological assessment?

Thank you a lot!

[trancada]

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Today i received an email with this Roadshow .TAP Air Portugal is inviting to the Roadshow in Barcelona, Spain. They are looking for TR/NTR First Officers to A319/20/21 fleet. So if you are a pilot looking for new employment opportunities, apply and be based in Portugal!When?26th November 2018 (x-apple-data-detectors://0)Location:TRYP Barcelona Aeropuerto HotelParque de Negocios Mas Blau II,Plaça Pla de l'Estany, 1-2, (x-apple-data-detectors://2)
08820 El Prat de Llobregat, Barcelona (x-apple-data-detectors://2)Requirements- EASA CPL (A) Licence;- A320 Type Rating (preferential);- Valid EASA Class 1 Medical Certificate;- ELP level 4 minimum;- MCC Training;- Complete High School 12th grade or equivalent;- English fully proficient and Portuguese as a preference factor.

[smthngdffrnt]

Hello to everyone guys,
anyone know what the written test is about? any differences for non-type rated and type rated?
Any info about the psychological assessment?

Thank you a lot!

Did you already pass the psycho?

Thx!

[dan1165]

Still no news for me ... Documents sent 3 weeks ago . Not even an acknowledgment of receipt .. :(

[maddog8387]

Did you already pass the psycho?

Thx!
No! I didn't do anything yet!

For all those guys who tried to write me in private, but there is a problem with my inbox and i cannot read them!

[smthngdffrnt]

I have the psycho this week.

Does anyone know what to expect exactly?

Thx!

[pilotquisir]

Hi!
I have the psycho test on Saturday.
What is your profile?
I have 250 hours TT, all piston.

Do you know about the salary aprox.?

Thx

[pilotquisir]

good afternoon
any information on psychological tests? How about the people who made them today?

They tell you something about working conditions, salary ...

Thank you

[pilotquisir]

I have the psycho this week.

Does anyone know what to expect exactly?

Thx!

Hi,

what about the psycho test?

Any coments will be wellcome.

Thank you.

[dan1165]

Application and documents sent more than one month ago ... Not even an acknowledgment of receipt :(

[dan1165]

Any news ? . None on my side :rolleyes:

[180Knots]

Application and documents sent more than one month ago ... Not even an acknowledgment of receipt :(
same here... i will send an email

[dan1165]

Did that 2 times ... Nothing :rolleyes:

[trancada]

Did that 2 times ... Nothing :rolleyes:

It would interst to know from recente candidates how was the simulador test , Technical interview, and final interview?
did any non portuguese national passed?

[dan1165]

Any update ??

[trancada]

Latest news
The company continues to place ads uncontrollably.
Recently the Pilots' Union called on TAP because of a controversial issue that began in September.
Where candidates would have to pay for training. € 30000. Something that never happened.
The union asked for a hearing, but TAP did not cooperate.
It means that TAP does not comply with what is in the collective bargaining agreement.
This imposition high discriminatory to those who do not come to celebrate the contract of employment. For example a pilot enters the training and then does not sign the contract and will work elsewhere? Those who decide to stay are required to pay and this is discriminatory.

The justification of incorporation in the progression and professional career of the costs with the training, obviously that was a criterion that took to determinate amount of renumbering does not appear in the text of the collective agreement of work, that was made and presuppose this fact, that is to say TAP disrespeita what he knows and can not ignore.

The recognition that the imposition of the payment of training constitutes a limitation on the freedom to work, the collective labor agreement regulates. TAP confesses that the imposition of these conditions on pilots who are members of the union violates this agreement by seeking to establish a less favorable regime in breach of national law, Article 476.

This is all being evaluated in legal therms.

[trancada]

In relation to EASA licenses.

In fact, companies are desperate to get drivers.

TAP went to Brazil to make presentations.

And because of those who do not have the EASA license how will it be?

It is important to know if there is an exception mechanism or other conditions that favor the contraction of pilots in this situation, or who can convert the licenses, to satisfy the objectives of an operator or operators, which does not really have to comply with the rules of the European Union .

ANAC has an uncompromising position in the defense of what is regulated and in meeting the high standards of quality and safety required by the EASA license, and seeks to confer this on its holders.

The union was available to collaborate.

So nothing new about this licensing issue.

[marpa]

Permítanme escribir en español. No soy piloto,no dominó el inglés a vuestro nivel pero se lo que esta pasando en TAO con el reclutamiento pues tengo información a través de conocidos que se han presentado. Tras superar varias fases del proceso, fueron convocados para simulador y entrevista técnica y final. A unos los convocaron a horas intempestivas de madrugada y nadie estaba allí,a otros los convocaron con 24 horas de antelación y son de España. Unos con notas altas en teórico,otros no tanto. Simulador,5 minutos, sin plan de vuelo,,sin vuelo,2 preguntas y fuera. Entrevista de 3 minutos de duración y les comunican que no son aptos. Como que no son aptos si con ese tipo de pruebas lo que no son aptos son ellos y sus pruebas. Una verdadera tomadura de pelo,un engaño. Con el coste económico que supone ir a Lisboa,estar allí y para nada. Unos incluso son licenciados universitarios en la carrera de aviación,perfectamente preparados. Que no diga TAO que no tiene pilotos, es mentira.Sin escrúpulos.Un trato denigrante hacia estas personas. Jugando con las personas y con su ilusión.

[maddog8387]

Is really ashamed how this company,main Company, organizes and treats the candidate, they call with 24/48 hours notice, selection divided in 5-6 days not in sequence,"psycho" test divided in 3 days on a computer 20 years old, Pilots have to pay everything by themselves resulting in a selection costing around 1000 euro , and specially teasing foreigners since at the end they only hire Portugueses.
I accept that we all can fail a selection, but dear TAP your way to make selection is awful, start respect people.

If you are a non Portuguese guy, I strongly recommend you to don't go,I know the wish to fly for a Major growing company is big...but this is pure xxxxx

In the other hand...good luck to all that will try.

[marpa]

Ayer tuve conocimiento de las aventuras que tuvieron que pasar candidatos españoles.Se han tenido que desplazar varias ocasiones a Lisboa,los ordenadores no funcionaban y tuvieron que prolongar la estancia para repetir las pruebas al día siguiente,no se les atendió a la hora estipulada,avisados con 24 horas de antelación para simulador sin indicarles plan de vuelo. Uno de ellos había logrado una nota muy elevada en teórico y licenciado universitario en operaciones aéreas. Jóvenes todos con ilusiones forjadas que se las han echado a tierra. Con preparación elevada en simuladores que allí ni tocaron. Dos examinadores en el simulador,uno preguntaba,con mala audición,2 preguntas y se acabó la prueba. Debieron ver que al no enviarle plan de vuelo algo raro sucedía pero la juventud y la ilusión les cegaron y no pensaron más. Entrevista con 2 preguntas personales y 2 teóricas. 3 minutos de entrevista y fuera. Día siguiente reciben mail con resultado " unfit". Duración de todo el proceso, 3 meses, desde noviembre 2018. A uno de ellos me dicen que lo convocaron a simulador a las 5 a.m.hora portuguesa y allí no había nadie para recibir.
Me gustaría dirigirme al Ceo de la compañía. No dispongo de dirección mail. Si alguien la tiene por favor la facilite. Esto debería hacerse público en medios de prensa locales. Es lamentable. No pueden decir que andan buscando 300 pilotos,roadshow en Madrid y publicidad ,cuando después sucede esto. Si no cumplían el perfil deseado,no se les convoca desde el primer momento.
No se puede dar este trato a nadie. No se puede jugar con las personas,más siendo gente que quiere empezar y tirar les ilusión,méritos y dignidad por los suenos.
Gracias por permitir exponer esto que creo es del interés de muchos para saber a que atenerse

[trancada]

That’s how Portugal works. They have an expression “FOR ENGLISH TO SEE"

[trancada]

High demanding for F/O continues.

Last week they received one fo 2 unexpected 321NEO. They where from PRIMERA with on 180 cycles. These aircraft are added to the renewal fleet plan. TAP decided to remove the ACT’s placed on these aircraft.

The 320NEO LR are coming soon. They will fly from OPO/EWR/OPO, LIS/IAD/LIS , LIS/ TLV/LIS and to Natal in Brasil.

Some rumors, next year to Istambul.

Also 2 more 330 NEO where introduced to the fleet. Meanwhile Salvador da Baia in Brasil is the 2nd destination introducing this type. Now 3 330NEO. The actual 330-300 will phase-out. The A340 are starting the phase-out at the end of the year. The oldest 319 and 320 also 4Q2019

They removed the ATR72 from LIS/OPO/LIS, due to several operational problems. ATR72 is not certified for ILS CAT2 and RNAV GNSS. Porto weather, during winter has a lot of fogs and low ceilings .

Lisbon Airport the traffic ached their maximum capacity. that every day there are a lot of delays. So they decided to operate with A320 fleet between these 2 destinations. Sometimes they use the E190.

In future Lisbon will have a secondary airport, Montijo, on the other side of Tejo River. Actually it is a Portuguese Airforce Base.

[IFLYyouBREATH]

Does someone know about the roster pattern at TAP ?

Thanks

[C212-100]

Does someone know about the roster pattern at TAP ?

Thanks

Flexible Roster, comes out on the 15th of the previous month and you have 10 days OFF per month.

[trancada]

Some recent applicants received an email that all admissions are suspended. At moment there a lot of trains from last summer classrooms that didn’t start their training, in simulator or line training.
Company is facing difficulties to obtain simulators slots outside off Portugal.
Some of them are experienced on Airbus FBW.

There have been too many admissions in an uncontrollable way.

At same more F/O upgrading for Captains.

In summer A320NEO LR operation, to cross atlantic will start. OPO-EWR will the first route.

[miguelcosta1]

Any idea to when they will re start the process?

Was one of the ones who got the email.

Thanks!

[IFLYyouBREATH]

Apparently after the summer

[SpainHire]

Apparently after the summer
Where'd you get this info?

[C212-100]

Apparently after the summer

Apparently not before Summer would be a better way to put it.

[SpainHire]

Apparently not before Summer would be a better way to put it.
So basically no more recruitment this year? Where'd you get this info?

[trancada]

The company presented its results for 2018. Negatives of 118 million Euros.

For the government this is very bad. The prime minister António Costa, who was the one who wanted to reverse the process of privatization of the company, had acted , now says nothing.

Portugal already has to put up with a lot, on its" back shoulders", like the NOVO BANCO,due to crape of their managers, and now the Financial minister, came to say that all the taxpayers were going to have to get ahead, with this bank . And now comes to TAP, who will pay this passive? The citizens of course...

The administration sent a statement to the workers explaining what happened.

It was a loss of 3.6% in relation to the previous year.

Increased the network of routes in the North American market the position has been consolidating.

They preferred to change the Lisbon-Porto-Lisbon to jet planes ( AIRBUS 320 and E190) and increased their punctuality to 72%. Therefore the operation with the ATR72 is practically finished. The airplane has many operational limitations, mainly because of LVO.

The TAP accuses that in 2018 the pilots union, negotiations with the pilots led to 2490 flight cancellations. The negotiating context was complex. TAP needed more 122 to fly in the last summer. Now they admitted to many and have difficulties manage the training, so they interrupted the admissions.

The union has already issued a statement to clarify this situation. What was negotiated was that the riders were renumbered with an extra, even in OFF-DAYS and LEAVE -DAYS so, TAP did not have to contract ACMI’s. But some destinations where operated by HIFLY, Recife, Natal in Brasil and Luanda in Angola.

So the pilots saved a lot of money to this company on its operation.

The planes are coming. The first A321NEO LR is coming soon.

[LockheedTristar]

Valid MEP is a requirement. And what about those who fly multi crew corporate jet with hours on type but expired MEP for more than 3 years?

New admissions only after summer, who knows!

[trancada]

[QUOTE=LockheedTristar;10446886]Valid MEP is a requirement. And what about those who fly multi crew corporate jet with hours on type but expired MEP for more than 3 years?

New admissions only after summer, who knows![/QUOTE

I don't think it would be an obstcale. If you're flying a corporatejet it is a multi-engine, That point of MEp are for those guys with recente frozen ATPL, that must have MEP.
TAO hired some pilots that where working for other Airlines, and they where admited. So...

[trancada]

Valid MEP is a requirement. And what about those who fly multi crew corporate jet with hours on type but expired MEP for more than 3 years?

New admissions only after summer, who knows!

In your case i don't think it is an obstacale

[trancada]

New admissions only after September.
At moment training is in a chaos situation

[SpainHire]

Where do you get this info?

[miguelcosta1]

How do you know this?
They recently got a new sim in Tires so that is good news.

[WhatShortage]

How do you know this?
They recently got a new sim in Tires so that is good news.

There's no way TAP is going to continue hiring before summer and even after, i'd say it will be HIGHLY unlikely.

Way too many people in training or waiting for it, when I say too many IT IS TOO MANY.

[LockheedTristar]

There's no way TAP is going to continue hiring before summer and even after, i'd say it will be HIGHLY unlikely.

Way too many people in training or waiting for it, when I say too many IT IS TOO MANY.

Hi WhatShortage.
Do you work for tap? Is your source reliable? Curious to know the real need for pilots.
They suspended hiring in March and new planes continue to arrive.
I believe that the selections will return in late 2019 to start training in 2020.
I heard rumors that some pilots left during ground course.

[WhatShortage]

Hi WhatShortage.
Do you work for tap? Is your source reliable? Curious to know the real need for pilots.
They suspended hiring in March and new planes continue to arrive.
I believe that the selections will return in late 2019 to start training in 2020.
I heard rumors that some pilots left during ground course.
Mostly a Good source + rumours. They still need but from my point of view it won't be in the next few months, probably late 2019 early 20, it's a very very good company to stay your whole life and do your career plus the country that's a win win.

[Jumpilot69]

Any idea of the average time to upgrade to left seat at TAP, especially with all the expansion happening in the next few years?

[plikee]

Not sure but I would bet around 8-10 years, if not even more.

[trancada]

Time for up-grade used to be 8-10 years. There are some rumors that some pilots may be lucky to be up-graded in 5 years due to fleet expansion;

The training is in a chaos situation , that's why they stop hiring. A lot of F/O are waiting for flight training;

Tomorrow 4 new aircraft will arrive. 3 A330-900NEO and 1 A321NEO LR;

New destinations already started , ORD and OPO-EWR(A321NEO LR);

At same time company is divulging financial public Obligations to get 50M€ of financing;

Whatshortage, if some pilots left the company during training we have to understand them. Some of them have expenses, family obligations and can't "scratch the nose" and wait and wait , and live with a miserable salary of 1000€.

[trancada]

Polemics with TAP Administration blew-up this week.

[SpainHire]

Polemics with TAP Administration blew-up this week.
What do you mean?

[trancada]

In a year of losses, TAP paid 1.17 million euros in premiums to 180 workers.
Premiums that were paid with the salary of May of these collaborators and that oscillate between the 110 thousand and a little more than thousand Euros.
And with this the government accused TAP of "disregarding the duties of institutional collaboration".
The government new about the payment of these premiums through the media, also notes the note of the government, which later remembers that the taxpayers are the largest shareholders of TAP, so the citizens. Means citizens will pay through the taxes all these mistakes.
António Costa, the Portuguese prime-minister, defended that the State considers the model of distribution of prizes decided by the executive committee of TAP "incompatible with the standards of sobriety" that must exist in companies owned by the State.
TAP administrators nominated by Parpública said that the awarding of prizes was "a unilateral decision" and that they were surprised by the media disclosure of payments that go "beyond the fulfillment of contractual responsibilities", because when the topic was discussed, the State administrators were against, but of little value.
At the conclusion of the meeting of the Board of Directors, which is required by the State-appointed directors, after a unilateral decision to award bonuses to a group of workers without due contractual obligation, they do not appear in the procedure adopted," a note of the directors of TAP SGPS appointed by Parpública.

[trancada]

Spanish WAMOS AIR will make some ACMI flights for TAP with their A330, due to some delays with the A330-900NEO.

[trancada]

See this:

Portugalia Airlines pilot jobs news for airline pilots and aviation schools (http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Portugalia_Airlines)

[LockheedTristar]

Sent my CV to Portugalia last week. After years out of Portugal it's time to go back.

Even with the uncertainty, whether the tap will absorb the PGA or not, one thing is certain the demand for flights will continue.

Trancada I assume you are Portuguese . What about TAP hiring in Sep? And SATA? They have had problems with lack of pilots and airplanes.

Abraço

[trancada]

Sent my CV to Portugalia last week. After years out of Portugal it's time to go back.

Even with the uncertainty, whether the tap will absorb the PGA or not, one thing is certain the demand for flights will continue.

Trancada I assume you are Portuguese . What about TAP hiring in Sep? And SATA? They have had problems with lack of pilots and airplanes.

Abraço

Sata seems to be in financial trouble. Future is uncertain.
Rumours about new openings in September, they don’t know.*

[trancada]

Pilots union is requesting to all new pilots all documents that proved they payed the A320, about 30000€, which they consider illegal, as it never happens.
They act in the court

[LockheedTristar]

In the past pilots did not pay. On the other hand they had a five year bond.
What's the difference?

[randon]

In the past pilots did not pay. On the other hand they had a five year bond.
What's the difference?

The difference is that if you don't intend to leave the company you won't have to pay...

[LockheedTristar]

I see your point!
But how can TAP know if a pilot intends to stay or leve?
Thats a way TAP uses to protect itself.

[C212-100]

I see your point!
But how can TAP know if a pilot intends to stay or leve?
Thats a way TAP uses to protect itself.

A normal bond would cover that. If you leave before the end of the pre-determined period you’d have to pay a defined amount dependent on the time of exit. I don’t get your point...

i think it’s ridiculous that an airline recruits someone and then asks that same person money to pay for the mandatory training to execute the very same job the person was recruited to do. Imoral, to say the least.

Unfortunately, neither the Union not the pilots are willing to fight to stop that big degradation on T&Cs.

Cheers,

[MD80767 Driver]

I see your point!
But how can TAP know if a pilot intends to stay or leve?
Thats a way TAP uses to protect itself.
So bond them.

[trancada]

TAP opened new admissions. Today published an internal concourse.

Requirements are :
500 hours the rating A320;
High School Completed;
Fluent in English written and Spoken;
Good Skills in informatics ;
ICAO English Level 5;
EASA MEDICAL CLASS 1;
FROZEN ATPL;

Other news:

Today 2 of A320 leased from AIGLE AZUR returned to the Leasing company, due to French court decisions about the closure of the company;
Tomorrow the 2 of the 4 A340 will phase-out. The last 2 will phase out at the October. In future only A330 for the long-haul.

Compay situation :

First half of 2019 with high losses;

Portuguese government is currently back to back with the administration of the company;After the storm that was the early disclosure of a € 119.7 million loss of TAP in the first half the worst half-yearly result since privatization, silence has set in. Both the airline and the government, which received the results with great irritation, choose not to comment. But the few messages that pass are that the accounts will improve significantly.
About the bad results of the first semester were internally responsible, taking into account in particular the drop in ticket revenues in Brazil. Blame Elton D'Souza, the head of revenue management, who left in July to take over the presidency of the European operation of Netjets. The idea that he is responsible for TAP's stumbling block circulated as early as Friday of last week as soon as the results were released. In fact, along with the increase in personnel costs, Brazil was mentioned as one of the two factors responsible for the poor performance: the decline in revenues in this country in the semester was € 43.1 million.
Elton D'Sousa, a Goan manager of Portuguese nationality, was, however, one of the two people to receive the highest performance award for 2018, ie € 110,000. Why is he now one of the big culprits in the first half of the year, when he was once considered exceptional? A question that remains unanswered. Certainly, this area, which is fundamental to business engineering, has had a lot of turnover within TAP: Elton D'Souza is the third party responsible for revenue management since privatization, and the company has not yet arranged for anyone to replace it, despite being in charge. demand in the international market. Contacted by Express, Elton D'Souza declined to comment. Who is now meeting with the revenue management team is Antonoaldo Neves, TAP's CEO. An overload, say company sources who underline the fact that the executive committee is already "short". There are three people, two of them with limited experience in the sector. The financial director Raffael Alves, in the aviation sector, has only as experience the financial direction of David Neeleman's Azul Linhas Aéreas Brasileiras between 2012 and 2017. David Pedrosa has a professional background mainly linked to inland transport at Grupo Barraqueiro. The pressure is great. Government source told Eco following results that executives “should resign

[trancada]

At same time, PARPUBLICA, the company that manages all the Portuguese State companies, is concerned about this high losses. Lufthansa or United Airlines are possible investors.

[Hawker400]

Any opinion on the upcoming NTR F/O recruitment? I have heard first hand that it's extremely slow from recruiting to going on the line, is it still the case?

Receiving applications till November
https://recrutamento.tap.pt/job/OFICIAIS-PILOTO-DE-AVIA%C3%87%C3%83O-COMERCIAL-%28Ref%C2%AA-OP23OUTUBRO2019%29/517699402/

[IFLYyouBREATH]

I don't think that it's going to be slow to be released on line cause they had stopped to stop their delays in training... most of the guys recruited in January have been released on the line now...

[flyPPI]

I remember it was a lot of questions about TORA, ASDA, Clearway, Stopway and so on. Basic weather and ops questions. Prova Aeronáutica was easy. I did not go on to the psychological assessment because they gave me no choice of date and I was committed elsewhere.

Be on time and they won't let you park on the Tap campus. Better take Uber.

Cumprimentos

[Klimax]

Hopefully working there is better (doubt it!) than being a passenger with them! Always, always late and not very professional. With the recent IAG purchase of Air Europa and their goal of making Madrid a major hub, TAP Portugal is going to face some real challenges in the future and if the issues at hand are not dealt with in a timely manner - downsizing is in the future cards - when Madrid further positions it self as the transit spot for South America and the Americas in general.

[Np07xp]

I remember it was a lot of questions about TORA, ASDA, Clearway, Stopway and so on. Basic weather and ops questions. Prova Aeronáutica was easy. I did not go on to the psychological assessment because they gave me no choice of date and I was committed elsewhere.

Be on time and they won't let you park on the Tap campus. Better take Uber.

Cumprimentos

flyPpi ! Thank you so much !
So on the first day (avaliação aeronáutica) is just about ATPL questions ? No maths , logic , physics , psychometric tests ?
*Hope everything went well for you :)
Thank you once again !

[flyPPI]

> So on the first day (avaliação aeronáutica) is just about ATPL questions ? No maths , logic , physics , psychometric tests ?

yes, if I remember correctly. Of course there may be some math, like Point of Safe Return etc..

After my scheduling conflict for the avaliacao psicologica, I emailed the recruitment team a couple of times without any respone. So thats that...

[TugaFly]

What’s going on at TAP...

Is it true that 30% - 40% of the candidates fail Line Training after finishing the Type Rating, and consequently get fired?

Who’s paying for the cost of training plus rating?

Does anyone have inside knowledge or is this all lies?

[IFLYyouBREATH]

There are 2-3 difficult LTC (as in all airline I suppose) and you must have the correct behaviour and know the stuff... Many guys relaxed when they received the positive email after the assessment, but it is actually the start of the deepest effort to success... the Line Training is stressful but I repeat... if you have the correct behaviour.. it's peanuts.

[IFLYyouBREATH]

If anyone knows what's going on with the recruitment right know, he is gently invited to speak up!

[manolotelo]

Hi, i did my psycometrics tests and didn´t pass :(
took me 10 days to do it many of the teste are old, strange exercises with computer from the 90´s !! the pilot screen last phase of this tests took me 5h !! when in normal computer would be 1h !!
the recruitment is still on going I saw the list was 321 applications and I HEARD there were many pilot from Air Force started the TR with TAP.

crazy & long recruitment :rolleyes:

[IFLYyouBREATH]

manolotelo

sorry to hear that man..

I only did first step and still waiting then...

What's your roughly position on the on list? When did you do first step and which mark??
Thank you

[manolotelo]

was nr8 , never got any mark?

[IFLYyouBREATH]

after having done the test the result appeared

[manolotelo]

i actually read the email again and says I fail the psychological valuation !! dont know if is the personal interview with the psychological.
But will ask as they say I can ask where I fail :)

[AirPland190]

Bom dia manolotelo,

I'm currently waiting to be called for the psychometrics at TAP, what did you actually do there?

First phase: Theoreticals
Second phase: Psichometrics - dual joystick sim with flashing lights black screen with 2 bars and score?
- Group dynamics?
- Interview with the psychologist?
- Psychometric test on a sheet with hundreds of questions with 3d mental rotation, maths, logic and abstract reasoning?
Third phase: Interview with "chief pilot" & simulator assessment?

How far did you get and is my description accurate?

Thanks

[Np07xp]

Hey fellow pilots,

just curious how many of you are 35+ and passed/didn’t pass the assessment. Can I have your feedback please ?

[trancada]

This question doesn't make sense.
There are some new pilots with more than 40 years old.

[trancada]

All fleet is grounded. Only TAP Express is flying.

[trancada]

Latest news

TAP is cut pilots salaries by 50% due to it’s restructuring plan. All other sectors where just cut by 25%.

Also flight operations director at TAP, will cease to function, after, in February, having expressed "high concern" with the restructuring of the company, according to an internal message.
Last February pilots where on dispute to accept an agreement, and he sent an email to all pilots showing his concerns.

Due to COVID-19 most of the fleet was grounded. So the company the company suffered the consequences like other. But the financial situation has always been fragille. With a massive participation of 96,8% of the members of the Civil Aviation Pilots Union (SPAC), the “Yes” was voted “Yes” to the “emergency agreement” established with the TAP administration, with a majority of 617 votes. The substitute regime is removed for the pilots, who see their salary cut by 50% above the guarantee amount of 1.330 euros per monthFirst, it was the crew of PGA - Portugália who confirmed the "Yes" to the "emergency agreement", in the vote held on Thursday, February 25. Today, Friday, February 26, it was the turn of TAP pilots represented by SPAC - Civil Aviation Pilots Union to vote in favor of the respective “emergency agreement”, which was known shortly after 20:00 in Lisbon, voting for TAP crew members represented by the National Civil Aviation Flight Personnel Union (SNPVAC) had not been completed - it only closes at 21 pm in Lisbon.

In a brief statement, SPAC states that “the TAP pilots meeting in the Company Assembly approved the emergency agreement proposed by the company. In this way, they themselves decided to waive 50% of their salaries for the recovery of TAP. The Pilots Union welcomes the massive participation of 96,8% of the members ”.

In this way, TAP pilots and PGA crew members approved the respective “emergency agreements” negotiated between the airline's management and the management of the unions of their professional classes, removing the substitute regime in these classes.

Among the 96,8% of SPAC pilots who voted this Friday, February 26, 617 pilots voted in favor, 578 voted against and 18 abstained. However, the general climate among the pilots points out the 50% wage reduction that will be processed in the salary sheets above the minimum guarantee amount of 1.330 euros, when the other professional classes will have a 25% reduction.

In the group of professional classes that work for the TAP Group, six different “emergency agreements” were made between the management of TAP and the 15 unions that represent the workers of the TAP Group, under the leadership of CEO Ramiro Sequeira and chairman Miguel Frasquilho. The three unions that took a long time to ratify the agreements were SPAC, the Independent Union of Airline Pilots (SIPLA) and SNPVAC, which has the greatest representation among “airside” workers, as it has 2.470 crew members

[trancada]

There has been adherence to termination by much agreement.

[trancada]

it has passed one year that pilots signed an agreement , for a salary cut up to 50% considering the traffic would recover for 2019 numbers only in 2024 according to IATA forecasts. Transport Minister Pedro Nuno Santo always focused this argument. Nowadays , traffic numbers are almost 2019.
Pilots are not accepting to fly on off-duty days and holidays even if company pays extra.
other sectors already recovered the salaries, like technitians , ground staff.
Pilot union SPAC tried to to achieved an agreement with company but still not flexible.

TAP started to WET lease aircraft , and this is more expensive than paying more to their pilots.

[HURZ]

TAP is a completely mismanaged airline and does as a stand alone have no chance in Europe. Portugal is too small i,o, to be important.
Without a big player like LH or AF/KL only bancruptcy is the end for this more then chaotic managed company.

it has passed one year that pilots signed an agreement , for a salary cut up to 50% considering the traffic would recover for 2019 numbers only in 2024 according to IATA forecasts. Transport Minister Pedro Nuno Santo always focused this argument. Nowadays , traffic numbers are almost 2019.
Pilots are not accepting to fly on off-duty days and holidays even if company pays extra.
other sectors already recovered the salaries, like technitians , ground staff.
Pilot union SPAC tried to to achieved an agreement with company but still not flexible.

TAP started to WET lease aircraft , and this is more expensive than paying more to their pilots.