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ExRAFRadar
25th Oct 2016, 19:35
Serious request - can someone point me to a website/thread on how the 3rd runway will work from an operational point of view. Aircraft tracks, numbers etc

Googling is just proving to much like hard work. Sorry.

Gertrude the Wombat
25th Oct 2016, 20:45
Don't worry, if the age in your profile is correct you'll long have lost interest by the time it's built, if ever.

ExRAFRadar
25th Oct 2016, 21:07
It is and FFS if you cant be bothered to post something relevant don't bother posting

Expatrick
25th Oct 2016, 21:29
BBC website (UK News) has an image of current & proposed flight paths.

ImageGear
25th Oct 2016, 22:06
Here you go:

LHR Flightpaths (http://heathrowflightpaths.co.uk/images/home.jpg)

HACAN (http://hacan.org.uk/)


ImageGear :ok:

Peter-RB
26th Oct 2016, 07:01
That map of FPs looks at first glance like a bar Magnet with haywire fields, but when that happens(if it really does) will put an awful lot more flights over houses and C London, but it aint happened as yet:ooh:

ImageGear
26th Oct 2016, 11:56
Just for the record the map linked above is for outbound traffic only, Inbound traffic is a different set of tracks.

Imagegear

Wyler
26th Oct 2016, 12:19
How do you know? This is not the first time this has been announced. I would not be surprised to see it all change again in, say 2020.
It has f**k all to do with economics and everything to do with politics. The dreadful standard of those who practise the latter means that all bets are off.

dsc810
26th Oct 2016, 13:08
@Peter_RB
Well at that point (if No3 does ever happen) there will be those on here will trot out the usual refrain of "you should not buy a house 'near' to an airport -and that they should not complain about the noise as living "near" to an airport they should have expected it to expand over time....and anyway its been there before they were...etc .etc...yada...yada.

Peter-RB
26th Oct 2016, 13:36
Would it not have made sense to have a huge super Airport in the Birmingham area, that way the expected 100Bn on new business would have had a huge effect on business from the Manchester /Birmingham and continue with the Capital area....... or is this a Runway to create increased business just for the Sarth of the UK ...dont forget the NORTH....;) DC Did ,and look what happened to him..! :ok:

oldchina
26th Oct 2016, 14:05
Peter-RB

Clearly major network carriers are desperate to attract the long haul high-yield traffic.

These people don't want to transit in Birmingham if their final destination is the London area.

Getting there via FRA or AMS could be much more attractive. Lufthansa and KLM/Air France would be happy to oblige.

funfly
26th Oct 2016, 18:39
Birmingham with a high speed rail link to central London - perfect.

Pace
26th Oct 2016, 19:06
Never understood the Choice of Heathrow over Gatwick which seems a much less congested area with better rail Links into the City.

The constant stream of aircraft flying into Heathrow over the City is worrying after the Lubitz crash where he had flown into Heathrow a few days earlier and the Hudson water landing makes you realise the possibility of a tragedy at some point in time.

Maybe someone can explain why Heathrow is a better choice? Or is it money and power that talks?

jindabyne
26th Oct 2016, 20:42
Tend to agree Pace. Why not, eg, one for freight and one for passengers? Or is that too simplistic?

Like many others, I've digested all that has been said by the Commission and Westminster. It seems that the issue has been/become a lucrative source of employment in itself over the years, which many are content to perpetuate - including the blonde idiot, and especially the noble Lord. They do little to further an issue that so cries out for resolution. Laughable fools, and to the rest of the world.

Well done Mrs May for trying to force the pace; alas bumbling Boris will probably foul her attempts to resolve things. Whatever those attempts.

Andy_S
26th Oct 2016, 22:13
Why not, eg, one for freight and one for passengers? Or is that too simplistic?

Correct. Too simplistic.

Passenger aircraft fly into Heathrow with their holds full of freight. You can't separate the two.

jindabyne
26th Oct 2016, 22:24
Surely there is a significant difference twixt passenger and commercial freight!!

pattern_is_full
26th Oct 2016, 23:24
Only on the assumption that airline "cargo" just means passenger bags - an incorrect assumption.

Just as airlines like to fill every seat, they also like to fill every cubic meter, up to the weight limit. It's all income.

https://www.aacargo.com/ship/aircraft-compatibility.html

Especially in single-deck wide-bodies, there can be a lot of cubic meters available under the floor for rent to shippers. Many people these days no longer travel with the 5-piece matched baggage set - and may not check any baggage in the hold.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Airbus_A300_cross_section.jpg

Saintsman
27th Oct 2016, 19:39
The aircraft tracks will not be designed yet as they wouldn't have commenced designing them until the actual option was decided upon (there were several options for Heathrow).

By the time they go through all the public consultations and taking in the wider London airspace requirements, I imagine that they are likely to change somewhat before an actual design is finalised.

Pace
27th Oct 2016, 21:27
Heathrow overvalued by 86bn | News | The Times & The Sunday Times (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/heathrow-overvalued-by-86bn-lx2w5tfnh)

whoops

tartare
28th Oct 2016, 06:52
So - you'd have three parallel runways oriented 27/09.
How would they describe them in ATC terms - left, centre and right???

handsfree
28th Oct 2016, 08:24
left, centre and right???

That's what Amsterdam designate their three 18/36 aligned runways.

Fairdealfrank
23rd Dec 2016, 21:22
09L-27R; 09R-27L; 10-28?

Jhieminga
23rd Dec 2016, 21:53
left, centre and right???
Yes, ICAO annex 14 does advise to do just that. With four you would get 27L, 27R, 28L and 28R and you can go up to six parallel runways this way, but I don't think there is an airfield that actually has a configuration like that.