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MoateAir
10th Oct 2016, 14:25
Could this be true?

The Nazis lost the Battle of Britain because the Luftwaffe were all high on crystal meth (http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-nazis-lost-the-battle-of-britain-because-the-luftwaffe-were-all-high-on-crystal-meth/ar-BBx9W5P?ocid=iehp)

Hempy
10th Oct 2016, 14:59
Both sides were full of amphetamines tbh.

It's pretty well known that 'pep pills' issued to Allied airmen contained the drug.

Even the USAAF and RAF survival rations both contained speed tablets.

KenV
10th Oct 2016, 16:11
I was issued and required to take little orange "Go Pills" during Operations Desert Shield /Desert Storm and Southern Watch. Their primary ingredient is amphetamine.

Google "Go Pill" and you will likely find out more than you wanted to know.

oldchina
10th Oct 2016, 16:16
I detest the increasing use of the word "Nazis" in a context like this.
UK and France didn't declare war on Nazis but on Germany.
I also doubt that the majority of Luftwaffe pilots were Nazis.
WWII wasn't fought between US, UK, Japan, Nazis, Italy, Russia etc etc.
Why is it so fashionable?

MoateAir
10th Oct 2016, 16:34
Thanks KenV - I'd say that was pretty amazing, but thinking about, doesn't surprise me,
www.nbcnews.com/id/3071789/ns/us_news-only/t/go-pills-war-drugs/

Oldchina - totally agree. There was a documentary I recall once that also argued very convincingly that most of the German forces were not Nazi's.

BigEndBob
10th Oct 2016, 16:48
Isn't Nazi the political party?
Sure some were members but most were probably forced/obliged like any nationals to do their bit.

I suppose it's politically correctness so as not to tarnish the later generation.

Also read somewhere that model kits of Luftwaffe aircraft are missing the Swastika decals!

KenV
10th Oct 2016, 16:51
Moate, the following sentence in the article you linked to is interesting:

Military officials suspended the go-pill program in 1992 after the war was over, though the Air Force insists the reasoning was that combat had ended and pilots’ missions returned to a more normal bent.

The above may have been true of USAF, but apparently the author did not talk to USN officials or pilots or flight surgeons. Use of Go Pills in USN was highly regulated and controlled, but it continued on in USN well after the first gulf war. The Op Tempo in USN was insane during that period.

Allan Lupton
10th Oct 2016, 17:12
There was a documentary I recall once that also argued very convincingly that most of the German forces were not Nazis.
In post-war Germany there seemed not to be any Nazis, to the point that a German friend (b1936 so too young to count) said that there were only two Nazis: one was Adolf Hitler and the other was his (my friend's) father, whom he knew had had to join the party to be allowed to continue working.

G-CPTN
10th Oct 2016, 17:20
Anyone who supported the ideals of the Nationalist Socialist Party might have been deemed to be a Nazi - though strictly speaking they would have to have been a member of the Party.
Similar to Conservatives, Liberals, Labourites. UKIPpers Greenies or Communists I suppose.

oldchina
10th Oct 2016, 19:06
"In post-war Germany there seemed not to be any Nazis"

Apparently not many Hitlers also, if you search the online phone books (incl Austria) ...

G-CPTN
10th Oct 2016, 19:09
Wasn't 'Hitler' a fabricated name (by his father, I believe?)?

Alois Schicklgruber - Change of surname (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler#Change_of_surname).

Mr Optimistic
10th Oct 2016, 20:47
From what I have read from interviews with German soldiers, most believed the main tenets of the party line, nazi or not. Why did the Allies attack at Normandy while Germany were fighting for European civilisation in the east.......

Loose rivets
10th Oct 2016, 23:45
That brings back some memories. The tired housewives, not my usage. I didn't know they were deemed an excessive dose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexamyl


In Britain during the early 1960s, the drug was taken by "tired housewives", and was also abused by youths who took excessively large doses and nicknamed the triangular blue tablets "purple hearts". This became a celebrated part of the Mod subculture.

Pinky the pilot
11th Oct 2016, 02:15
Doesn't anyone remember this one from the Stones?





https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiPsLfY1tHPAhVH7WMKHRWvDV4QyCkIIDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DtfGYSHy1jQs&usg=AFQjCNEmaNzd1WLKhgX1ms6ZHrUn0FZgGg

vaqueroaero
11th Oct 2016, 03:30
The book "A Higher Call" gives a great insight into WW2 from a non Nazi German perspective.
Beware though.....I found it very hard to put down once I'd started reading it.

WhatsaLizad?
11th Oct 2016, 04:49
Quote from a pre Gulf War I F15 pilot on the subject of a very very long haul deployment of his squadron. "Didn't give you some pills to stay awake inflight?"


Answer, "Yes, and everybody saved them to party nonstop after we arrived in Germany".


Synopsys. Give a bunch of 25 year olds Mach 2 fighters and drugs, and they will find the "highest and best use" for the product.

Trossie
11th Oct 2016, 06:52
According to the title of this film it wasn't only WW2 pilots but also the flying aces from WW1 that were high on something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aces_High_(film)

Peter-RB
11th Oct 2016, 09:18
Great Britain fought the Germans who were under the iron grip of the Nazi's controlled by the megalomaniac Adolph Hitler,... we GB were ably supported by the many countries of Europe who were in turn overrun by said Germany Army and Air-force... so the actual battle to try and defeat the British was fought by a mixture of Brits, Poles ,French,Swedes,Dutch,Belgians and many from the Commonwealth, I really do question the statements about German flyers being full of Happy Pills at that point...possibly later when they could see Armageddon rising against them but I dont think from my reading and understanding that the Battle of Britain would have had many Germans higher than they were actually flying..

Pontius Navigator
11th Oct 2016, 09:28
From what I have read from interviews with German soldiers, most believed the main tenets of the party line, nazi or not. Why did the Allies attack at Normandy while Germany were fighting for European civilisation in the east.......
How do you work that one out? Had Germany not invaded Russia there would have been no need to fight for European civilisation. Indeed was the German expansion through out Europe civilised?

Pontius Navigator
11th Oct 2016, 09:32
In the early 70s we were given uppers and downers, downers mostly the idea being to find a drug that could knock you out for 4-8 hours but allow you to be kick started in to life with no effects.

Had my most comfortable VC10 flight Singapore to Cyprus on Moggies. Airborne Changi, took two, shaken away at Sri Lanka, by the time we were in the terminal of 0'dark hundred, I have good and clear recollection of place and events but none of time. Airborne again, pills and zonk only to get woken for breakfast before arrival at Akrotiri.

oldpax
12th Oct 2016, 02:57
Hitler thought Russia was building up to invade Germany so got in first!Signing a non aggression pact meant very little to Stalin.World communism was his plan.

teeteringhead
12th Oct 2016, 11:28
Also read somewhere that model kits of Luftwaffe aircraft are missing the Swastika decals! Was certainly true of Airfix kits when I were a lad.

Apparently the Hackenkreuz was/is illegal even to display in Germany, so they couldn't have been sold there.

Historical accuracy vs business bottom line? No contest!

Hempy
12th Oct 2016, 12:21
Hitler thought Russia was building up to invade Germany so got in first!Signing a non aggression pact meant very little to Stalin.World communism was his plan

Claptrap.

Hitler had signalled his designs on Russia in Mein Kampf. The German march through France was simply a way of securing his western borders before he went for the real objective.

There was no Russian mobilisation until the Germans were hundreds of miles inside Soviet territory.

LowNSlow
12th Oct 2016, 12:29
Teeteringhead my bf109s and He111s had swastikas back in the 1970s. I remember as my ex RAF Bomber Command dad commented on it!

I think it was the Frog or Revell models that didn't.

teeteringhead
12th Oct 2016, 13:36
Thanks LowNSlow, I'm sure you're right.

Never thought I could run to anything more than Airfix 1/11d plastic bag models from Woolies!

Must have been the odd Revell for Christmas from a rich aunt - come to think of it, I can recall the Revell Richthofen DR1 one year.........

'Twas all a very long time ago....... :(

gruntie
12th Oct 2016, 14:09
It was Airfix models in the 60s that were swastika-less, undoubtedly: for the reason stated. Made loads of them, no mistake: Revell & Frog though I can't remember. (In the 70s though I became interested in other things).

However, if you were sufficiently keen (such as I) you could get a seperate sheet of swastika transfers and select a couple of a suitable size.

racedo
12th Oct 2016, 14:11
Has the state inspired use and abuse of drugs for service personnel been a cause of "Psychiatric issues" with personnel from all the services post wearing the uniform ?

LowNSlow
14th Oct 2016, 07:35
teeteringhead and gruntie, I sit corrected, it was indeed Airfix who were a swastika free brand until the late 1970's!

http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=10896&start=140

ExSp33db1rd
15th Oct 2016, 08:02
Had my most comfortable VC10 flight Singapore to Cyprus on Moggies. Airborne Changi took two,................................................. pills and zonk only to get woken for breakfast before arrival at Akrotiri.

Friend departed SIN for Europe, with a Mid-East stop. Took two pills leaving SIN.

Aircraft developed a problem around Kuala Lumpur and returned to SIN.

They had to try and wake him.