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Jack D
27th Sep 2016, 20:38
Where do the FA find these people ?
Lots of skeletons in the closet who else is involved ?

racedo
27th Sep 2016, 20:54
One of those times as a football fan I can sit there pissing myself laughing.

Graham Taylor - ok guy bit of a plank
Terry Venables - dodgy as :mad: and barred as Company director
Glenn Hoddle - away with the fairies
Kevin Keegan - inept
Sven Goran Eriksen - oversexed, overpaid
Steve McClaren - Clueless
Fabio Capello - Decent guy but inept
Roy Hodgson - A decent man
Sam Allardyce - dodgy s :mad:

Jack D
27th Sep 2016, 21:07
The squirming has begun . " none of this happened before his appointment , due diligence could not have revealed this " Funnily enough the Telegraph busted him , not one of the tabloids as one might expect .
Some decent men have held the post
I agree but perhaps they were never exposed , it's all getting too corrupt for my taste + cricket , cycling , athletics , F1 , Tennis . Have I forgotten anything ?

Nervous SLF
27th Sep 2016, 21:21
I seem to remember there were a couple of issues with snooker players?

wiggy
27th Sep 2016, 21:22
Well not great loss IMHO, but just maybe the FA needs to have a long hard look at itself.....

racedo, thanks for the précis...Now who's next? Rumour control is saying the odds are on Klinsmann?

M.Mouse
27th Sep 2016, 21:32
And what is the cause of all the corruption in sport? The obscene amounts of money floating around.

sitigeltfel
27th Sep 2016, 21:48
He must have been finding it hard to survive on his £3,000,000 a year contract. :rolleyes:

wiggy
27th Sep 2016, 22:17
OTOH maybe we are bring too harsh and maybe he was worth every penny. Has any other England manager left the post with a 100% winning record? :E :E :E

G-CPTN
27th Sep 2016, 22:29
Will he receive the remainder of his contract as severance pay?

Una Due Tfc
27th Sep 2016, 22:33
I just think it's amazing that he was drinking a pint of wine in a Chinese restaurant.

Planet Basher
27th Sep 2016, 22:37
He did have a 100% win rate, you can't take that away from him.:uhoh:

radeng
27th Sep 2016, 23:54
I fail to see why drugs, corruption and bribery matter in sport. To my mind, sport is irrelevant anyway and is no interest whatsoever. How is the total sum of human endeavour advanced because somebody can run faster, kick a ball better, jump further, swim faster than anyone else?

The sum total of human endeavour is advanced by engineers and scientists - it's not been sportsmen who produced new drugs, computer architectures and advanced technology for use in industry and medicine.

So if they want to bribe or drug themselves to the top, what does it matter?

(Flame suit now on!)

er340790
28th Sep 2016, 03:38
There was a lot of smoke 'n' fire during his time at Bolton Wanderers, centred around allegations of 'bungs' for transfers... :=

It seemed to be all swept under the rug when he left in a bit of a hurry.

When I get chance, I'll have a gander online, unless anyone else has the facts to hand.

Nervous SLF
28th Sep 2016, 04:11
radeng, how dare you speak sense in a thread on J.B.:= :):):)


Seems it was not just Mr A who was alledged to have been naughty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_English_football_corruption_investigation

He denied it and as far as I can see no action was taken against him so it looks
like he was innocent.

AtomKraft
28th Sep 2016, 06:41
Honestly.

Is there any issue that matters less than this?

'Man in charge of other men who play a game, not in charge of them any longer....'

:rolleyes:

ZFT
28th Sep 2016, 06:43
A pretty good assesment of Sven as the lasses of Spasso's will attest too!

sitigeltfel
28th Sep 2016, 07:39
I just think it's amazing that he was drinking a pint of wine in a Chinese restaurant.

From Sky news...

"Much of the Telegraph footage was filmed in an Italian restaurant popular with Football Managers, Players, and Agents".

Not now it aint!

wiggy
28th Sep 2016, 07:54
sport is irrelevant anyway and is no interest whatsoever. How is the total sum of human endeavour advanced because somebody can run faster, kick a ball better, jump further, swim faster than anyone else?


Maybe not to you, but regardless of logic that it matters a heck of a lot to heck of a lot of people who often spend a fortune following their sport/team...

Then factor in the economics (thinking football sales of anything from carp but highly expensive replica kit to multi million TV deals) and it becomes a big business, like any other, and the tax take (when it's paid :E ) no doubt helps in part fund scientific research.

That said the money in football at the top level in the UK has got ******* silly, and that's part of the problem with that particular sport.

Effluent Man
28th Sep 2016, 08:23
Fat Sam has dodged a bullet. He would have gone after being knocked out of the 2018 World Cup to some country we would have been spinning the globe (Or in the case of you modernists googling) to find.

SilsoeSid
28th Sep 2016, 09:23
radeng;
The sum total of human endeavour is advanced by engineers and scientists - it's not been sportsmen who produced new drugs, computer architectures and advanced technology for use in industry and medicine.

Would that be apart from:

Ernest Rutherford (1871-1937)
As a young man, the “father of nuclear physics” played rugby for Nelson College and the University of Canterbury.

Ivan Pavlov (1849-1936)
When he wasn’t training dogs to salivate on cue, Pavlov excelled at the Russian sport of Gorodki. He also made weekly visits to a St. Petersburg gym with some of his fellow physicians while working at the Institute of Experimental Medicine.

Preston Cloud (1912-1991)
This geologist really packed a punch. After enlisting in the U.S. Navy in 1930, Cloud became the Pacific Scouting Force’s bantamweight amateur boxing champion. Today, he’s best remembered for helping to change how we view the history of life and our planet itself.

Rosalind Franklin (1920-1958)
Franklin’s contribution to DNA research was—criminally—never appreciated during her tragically short life. As a teen, she competed in tennis, cricket, and other sports while enrolled at St. Paul’s Girls’ School in London.

Meredith “Flash” Gourdine (1929-1998)
One and a half inches stood between Gourdine and a gold medal. That was the distance which separated his leap from fellow American Jerome Biffle’s at the 1952 Olympic long jump competition. “I would have rather lost by a foot,” Gourdine later confessed. Despite this second-place finish, the man’s knack for experimentation secured his place in history. A prolific inventor, Gourdine held a PhD in engineering physics and over 30 patents before passing away from stroke-related complications at the age of 69.

Buzz Aldrin (1930- Pres.)
“Football was my passion and homework was my nemesis” sounds like a pretty ironic statement coming from the man who piloted Apollo 11. Once a prolific high school quarterback, Aldrin eventually decided to put athletics on the back-burner and focus on his grades before applying to West Point.

Edwin Hubble (1889-1953)
The cantankerous Hubble telescope is named for a man who excelled at the shot-put and at dazzling recruiters. His biggest sporting achievement, however, came in 1909, when he helped the Chicago Maroons basketball team clinch its third consecutive national title.

Enrico Fermi (1901-1954)
Fermi, who won the 1938 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work in radioactive isotopes, was noted for his tenacity. Physically strong and ferociously competitive, Fermi loved playing tennis and often defeated opponents by wearing them down into near-total exhaustion.

Carl Sagan (1934-1996)
As a lad, Sagan was the captain of his high school’s intramural basketball team and almost passed up his first meeting with Seymour Abrahamson—an Indiana University grad student who’d help the future astronomer nab his first laboratory job—because he wanted to go out and shoot some hoops instead.

Niels Bohr (1885-1962)
A key figure in the Manhattan project, this giant of twentieth-century science seemed remarkably down to earth. At least, the aforementioned Ernest Rutherford thought so. Rutherford categorically disliked theoretical physicists—whom he found snobbish—but said “Bohr’s different. He’s a football player!” Niels Bohr enjoyed a celebrated collegiate career as a goalkeeper at the University of Copenhagen. Harald Bohr, his younger brother, also adored football and even helped the Danish Olympic team win a silver medal in 1908.



Rather than go through the never ending list of scientific & engineering PhD etc etc sports people here, I'll end this post with someone that may be close to home for you ... assuming your 'handle 'radeng' actually relates to you somehow;

John Wilfrid Loaring.
He was Kennedy Collegiate’s great male athlete of his era.Born in Winnipeg on August 3, 1915, Loaring moved to Windsor in 1926.He passed away November 20, 1969.
On the Kennedy Collegiate Track Team, he won 29 WSSA & WOSSA Medals, competing in 100yd, 220yd, 440yd and 880yd Runs; Mile & Medley Relays; and 120yd Low & High Hurdles.
WSSA Medals – Gold (11), Silver (2), Bronze (1)
WOSSA Medals – Gold (9), Silver (2), Bronze (4)
1931 & 32 – WSSA – 120yd Low Hurdles Records
1933 & 35 – WSSA – 120yd High Hurdles Records
1933 & 34 – WOSSA – 120yd High Hurdles Records
1935 – WSSA – 5 Gold Medals – 100yd, 220yd, 440yd, 880yd & Mile Relay – Senior Individual Champion
1935 – WOSSA – 440yd Canadian Record (50.0), & equalled his 120yd High Hurdles WOSSA Record.Also many Gold and other medals in Ontario and Canadian High School Championships
1934 – Intra-Empire Schoolboy Games in Melbourne, Australia – Gold Medals in 120yd High Hurdles and as anchor of Ganada’s Mile Relay Team.
1930s Decade – Kennedy Collegiate’s “Most Memorable Athlete” Award
1935-36 Freshman President, University of Western Ontario, London, 1935 Senior Intercollegiate Track & Field Champion, with three Gold and one Bronze Medals.
Many additional medals in in this and later years in Track & Field, Swimming and Harrier.
The first time Loaring competed in the 400m/440yd hurdles was at the 1936 Canadian Championships and Olympic Trials in Montreal. He won the 400m Hurdles, and also the 400m Run, breaking the Canadian Records for both.
1936 Olympic Games in Berlin – Silver Medal in 400m Hurdles, among a total of nine heats and finals in five days: 400m Run, 400m Hurdles, & anchoring Canada’s 4x400m Relay Team.
Loaring’s second competitive experience in the 400m hurdles was on his 21st birthday, August 3rd, in the heats at Berlin. The following day, he ran in both the semi-final and final of the 400m Hurdles. He was the youngest finalist, winning the silver medal, 3/10ths of a second behind the American gold medalist, who had set the World Record at the 1932 Los Angeles Olympic Games.
On August 6th and 7th, Loaring ran four 400m races: first round, second round, semi-final and final, in which he placed sixth. On August 8th, Loaring anchored the 4x400m Canadian Relay Team. In the semi-final heat, he received the baton ahead of Germany’s Rudolf Harbig, who in 1939 would break World Records in the 400m and 800m runs. Loaring purposely slowed near the end, letting Harbig win in front of his countrymen, knowing that a Canadian second would qualify for the final. In the final, however, Canada’s third relay runner was fouled by an an American runner, and Loaring received the baton seven meters behind Harbig. He nearly caught Harbig, with Germany and Canada receiving the same time, but Loaring behind by less than a metre. Canada placed fourth.
Loaring is still the only athlete to compete in all three Olympic male finals involving the 400m distance in any combination of Olympic Games. World War II deprived him of two more Olympic Games during his prime years.
1936 British Empire vs USA Meet in London, England, one week after his last Olympic race – Gold Medal with a World Best time as anchorman, for the British Empire’s four-by-two-lap Steeplechase Relay Team. Loaring overcame a 12yd lead of the American anchorman who had previously held the 3,000m Steeplechase World Record. This was Loaring’s one and only steeplechase experience.
1937 Pan-American Games in Dallas, Texas – fourth place medal in 400m Run. Three days later, Loaring competed in an Oxford-Cambridge vs. Canada Dual Meet in Hamilton, Ontario. He won the 220yd Hurdles and the 440yd Run, upsetting Britain’s Olympic gold and silver medalist.1938 British Empire Games(now Commonwealth Games) in Sydney, Australia – Gold Medal in 440yd Hurdles, 440yd Relay & Mile Relay. CANADIAN RECORD of 3 Gold Medals still stands. In the 440yd Hurdles final, Loaring noticeably eased up toward the end, still winning by 15 yards, in 1938’s World fastest 440yd/400m Hurdles time, missing the 440yd Hurdles World Record by 3/10ths of a second.
1938 – awarded the J. W. Davies Trophy, as the year’s top Canadian in Track & Field,Marathon and Harrier competition.
In 1940, while serving as a Royal Canadian Naval Volunteer Radar Officer on loan to the British, Loaring’s ship was dispatched to pick up civilian survivors of a torpedoed ship. After explaining his Royal Life Saving skills to the ship’s doctor, he was assigned five tiny lifeless bodies. Three were revived under Loaring’s direction, and he was commended by the Ontario branch of the Royal Life Saving Society.
In 1942, while serving as Senior Technical Instructor for Radar Officers in Portsmouth, England, Loaring competed in track meets. In one of these, for the 440yd Run, he was second to the British Olympian. Then 45 minutes later, he won the 440yd Hurdles, 9/10ths of a second off the world record.
This was amid wartime training restrictions, and 15 months after he had been put ashore in Africa to recover from oil poisoning after his ship had run out of ammunition and been sunk in the Battle for Crete, May 22, 1941.
In 1943, Loaring was transferred to Saint-Hyacinthe, Quebec, to head Canada’s Radar Training School until the end of the war. In 1946-47, as a Lieutenant Commander, he served as Commanding Officer of H.M.C.S. Hunter in Windsor.
Loaring achieved many Canadian track and swimming records, British Empire track records and World Best track performances.
1940 – Inagural Western Blanket Award, University of Western Ontario.
1956 – Inductee in the Canadian Amateur Athletic Hall of Fame.
1978 – One of six original inductees of the University of Western Ontario “W” Club Athletic Hall of Fame.
1999 – Inaugural Inductee, University of Western Ontario Cross Country / Track and Field Hall of Fame.
2000 – Pioneer Award, and Wall of Honour Inductee, Mustang Swimming and Diving, UWO. Loaring was a four time Intermediate Intercollegiate Swimming Champion, and Team Captain.
1956-2006 – many track, road running and swimming events named in his honor.

AtomKraft
28th Sep 2016, 09:34
Silsoe.

Yes, some great men played sports.

However, with 'football', the great majority who are interested just sit on their stupid bottoms and watch other people playing a game.

Footie's not a bad game to play, but why the fascinating, morbid interest in everything to do with it, while NOT playing?

When folk start on about 'football', even on that dull, dull, dull portion of the news that's dedicated to 'football', all I can hear is buzzing noises......

Hempy
28th Sep 2016, 09:38
SilsoeSid, well said. And on the other side of the coin you get the child prodigy. Accepted into Harvard at the age of 16, PhD in mathematics by age 21, Professor of mathematics at UC by age 25. Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber.

SilsoeSid
28th Sep 2016, 13:21
How can Allardyce cry 'Entrapment' as an excuse?
Unless of course he has actually committed the 'offence' he was discussing :suspect:

ENTRAPMENT

A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.

clareprop
28th Sep 2016, 16:02
Professional football is only sport to the people who watch it and pay for it. To the people who take part (players, managers, tv companies, media, pundits etc.), it's a money making business and the old adage of biting the hand that feeds you is never more appropriate when considering how those taking part view those paying the money.

dazdaz1
28th Sep 2016, 17:21
clareprop.... Good to read we have Everton supporters on here.

IB4138
28th Sep 2016, 17:36
Isn't the false "sheik" who has pulled off similar scams on trial for his actions at the moment?

Hope the Telegraph's bogus guy and the paper follow.

Local Variation
28th Sep 2016, 17:45
Typical of football that Allardyce now wants to get back into club management and that a club struggling in the PL will no doubt, give him that opportunity before January.

In the meantime, he'll probably sell his story to the same media vultures who brought him down.

Effluent Man
28th Sep 2016, 19:12
Fat Sam has proved time and again his ability to take a team in free fall and prevent them from being relegated. As such the strugglers in the top division will be lining up to avail themselves of his services.

Hussar 54
28th Sep 2016, 19:15
With strong rumours that another eight Managers are going to be named, I bet good ol' 'arry will be watching events closely....

Geordie_Expat
28th Sep 2016, 19:50
Every time there is a story regarding sport in general and football in particular, the same posters turn up saying "Who cares?". If you don't care, don't join the thread.

Jack D
28th Sep 2016, 21:23
Radengs view that whey faced scientists & engineers who are generally strangers to the lavatory are singularly responsible for the future progress of mankind amused me intensely , beautifully rebutted by Silcoe S . "Average" sporting greats eg Roger Bannister ! a published neuro surgeon have surely contributed inspirationally & morally , not to mention various naturalists , geologists etc .of an athletic bent didn't the Romans & Greeks encourage sport & fitness The list goes on . Good wind up though !

G-CPTN
28th Sep 2016, 22:28
One 'fact' that I heard SA refer to today was that he was talking to someone that he has known for thirty years - and he feels betrayed.

Sam Allardyce: Ex-England boss says entrapment has won (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37493794).

Harley Quinn
29th Sep 2016, 05:43
Thing is with all those highly accomplished scientists their sporting endeavours were all as amateurs, not professionals. There are still many universities that encourage sport. Can't think that too many current Premier League players will achieve anything like the people mentioned by SS.

How is the huge amount of money swirling around top flight of football being taxed?

VH-UFO
29th Sep 2016, 05:55
How does this sit in law?

I'm not trying to make excuses for what he did, but isn't it illegal to record video or audio of someone without their permission?

Did Allardyce break common law, or just a rule of the FA?

I just don't like the idea of journalists doing this. Don't have a problem with the police as long as they have a warrant, but how the hell does the media get away with it?

SilsoeSid
29th Sep 2016, 09:23
I'm not trying to make excuses for what he did, but isn't it illegal to record video or audio of someone without their permission?


If that was the case then the courts are going to be very very busy for a very very long time as they prosecute every shop holder, cctv operator, police force, council, car driver with dash cam, youtubeposter, security company, outside broadcast unit etc etc etc :rolleyes:

wiggy
29th Sep 2016, 09:28
Thing is with all those highly accomplished scientists their sporting endeavours were all as amateurs, not professionals.

Maybe, then again Neils Bohr played at quite a high level for Akademsik Boldkub so I'd suggest at least in the past there was a decent cross over between academia and sport.

All moot anyhw...

VH-UFO
29th Sep 2016, 10:25
I don't think what i said Sid is stupid at all. Below is an extract from the 1998 Surveillance Act of Australia.

A private conversation is a discussion that’s meant to stay between the people involved. In most states and territories, a conversation is not considered private if the people involved should reasonably expect that someone could overhear it–for example, if they were talking loudly around other people. But in some states and territories, a conversation can still be considered private when a third person overhears it, as long as those involved in the conversation know that the third person can hear it.

While the laws are a little bit different in each state and territory, in most cases, it’s illegal to use your phone or another device to record a conversation without the knowledge and permission of everyone involved. It is illegal to publish the private conversation whether or not you were a part of it–for example, by posting it on YouTube.

SilsoeSid
29th Sep 2016, 13:04
Well there are going to be a lot more nusiance calls inbound along the lines of;

'Have you or a family member been recorded recently, it's not too late to claim ...'

I wouldn't like to be a wedding photographer/film maker 'cause I'm sure there's no part of any ceremony that asks if those attending, officially or not, are happy to be recorded.

What about the racist rants in the tube trains?
Are those people entitled to a claim as they didn't consent to being recorded?

Bringing it back to sport, what about football crowds?
Sky etc are going to have to payout quite a bit don't you think?

SilsoeSid
29th Sep 2016, 13:38
Shoot, did I just put sport and football in the same sentence ... my bad!

RAT 5
29th Sep 2016, 16:17
For those asking the question about the police requiring warrants to be able to present the evidence so obtained: and the follow up about CCTV camera recording events without consent: could it be the difference between private places & public places? i.e. if you are recorded via film or audio in a public place that's OK, but to tap private phones or install surveillance cameras in your house a warrant would be required.

The legal boys will tell us. CCTV has been around for so long this distinction must have been established yonks ago.

G-CPTN
29th Sep 2016, 16:26
Simple photography is permitted (in the UK) where the location is 'public'.
Permission is required for 'filming' (includes stills) where the premises are deemed to be private (the owner of the premises can refuse photography - enforced at certain shopping centres and bus stations).

Could be an interesting legal case - however, the evidence has been published and cannot be 'unseen'.

radeng
29th Sep 2016, 21:22
SilsoeSid

ALL these people that you list are more famous for their OTHER contributions than for sport.

So the fact that they were good at sport as amateurs is totally irrelevant.

SilsoeSid
30th Sep 2016, 08:56
But radeng didn't you say,
The sum total of human endeavour is advanced by engineers and scientists - it's not been sportsmen who produced new drugs, computer architectures and advanced technology for use in industry and medicine.

What's your defenition of sportsman then?

I also don't understand when you say;
ALL these people that you list are more famous for their OTHER contributions than for sport.

I guess that would also depend on your definition of 'more famous', especially if you consider that Meredith Gourdine was an Olympic Silver medal winner.
But then again I don't suppose that Doctor Spock's Gold Olympic medal in rowing would mean much to you either!
How about the Olympic pole vaulting Gold Medallist guy that invented Meccano, Alfred Carlton Gilbert, who unquestionably inspired generations of engineers worldwide.
Then there's Phillip Noel-Baker, another Olympic medallist, awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Maybe the Winklevoss brothers, multiple Olympic medal winners, and founders of what was to become Facebook.


Are you saying that these people aren't sportsmen?