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topgas
6th Sep 2016, 08:01
BBC News reporting London City Airport disrupted by demonstrators on the runway

Dave's brother
6th Sep 2016, 08:04
Link: Runway closed at London City Airport as protesters gain access - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37283869)

Victor Inox
6th Sep 2016, 08:07
How does one access the runway of an airport without getting shot by security?

connoisseur
6th Sep 2016, 08:28
How does one access the runway of an airport without getting shot by security?
One lives in a country where killing a person is not the first response to a citizen demonstration............

Victor Inox
6th Sep 2016, 08:56
One lives in a country where killing a person is not the first response to a citizen demonstration............


And how does one know whether the intruders are terrorists or idiot "citizens"?

Heathrow Harry
6th Sep 2016, 09:08
Apparently came in by boat......................

and it's the mob protesting about Black Deaths - not sure if it's UK only, US only or some mixture

Police seem to be standing about doing little

Victor Inox
6th Sep 2016, 09:21
the mob protesting about Black Deaths


In that case it's quite OK. People with "mental health issues" are allowed to do anything these days.

stiglet
6th Sep 2016, 09:49
Why not just bring in a bull dozer and just 'nudge' them off the runway?

Uplinker
6th Sep 2016, 09:58
the mob protesting about Black Deaths

They are a bit late; The Black Death in London fizzled out around 1665.......

Hotel Tango
6th Sep 2016, 10:15
Like it Uplinker, like it! LOL :)

SOPS
6th Sep 2016, 10:19
I hope none of them are carrying pots of yogurt.

clipstone1
6th Sep 2016, 10:22
taxi an RJ100 up and down the runway they'll soon move lol

RedhillPhil
6th Sep 2016, 10:31
"Black lives matter". Now a front for the Socialist Workers Party but the naïve idiots probably haven't twigged that yet.

G0ULI
6th Sep 2016, 10:41
They should try campaigning in Africa, where such ideas never seem to have been entertained in my personal experience.

fireflybob
6th Sep 2016, 11:06
Surely all lives matter including those using the airport?

B737900er
6th Sep 2016, 11:08
Continue operations as normal and they will soon bottle it when they see a 50t aircraft coming towards them.

ShyTorque
6th Sep 2016, 11:15
I'm surprised that this wasn't sorted out in very short order. Are they allowed to continue to remain only because of political correctness about a racial issue?

flt001
6th Sep 2016, 11:38
I would think they've positioned themselves in a way that forceable removal would result in injury.

Most of us would be happy with them getting their deserves but I image in this bonkers world they could sue the police for it. Despite it being all of their own making.

Idiotic fools.

SpannerInTheWerks
6th Sep 2016, 12:05
And how does one know whether the intruders are terrorists or idiot "citizens"?

No gunfire; no dead bodies; and they remain in one place protesting on the runway ...

Probably the best indications ... :)

Herod
6th Sep 2016, 12:28
What has a "Black Lives Matter" protest got to do with City Airport?

Tech Guy
6th Sep 2016, 12:31
I would think they've positioned themselves in a way that forceable removal would result in injury.
Idiotic fools.

Seems like an ideal opportunity for the Police to practice their CS gas drills. :)

His dudeness
6th Sep 2016, 12:31
Surely all lives matter including those using the airport?

Not to them, I´d say.

LCY security, what a bloody joke. Again.

Johnny [email protected] Pants
6th Sep 2016, 12:42
Quite taken from the BBC news website -

Black Lives Matter UK said the action was taken in order to "highlight the UK's environmental impact on the lives of black people locally and globally".
A statement said: "Whilst at London City Airport a small elite is able to fly, in 2016 alone 3,176 migrants are known to have died or gone missing in the Mediterranean.
"Black people are the first to die, not the first to fly, in this racist climate crisis.
"We note, however, that the UK is willing to charter special flights to remove black people from the country based on their immigration status."

I suspect they won't get that much sympathy from most folk.

Smoketrails
6th Sep 2016, 12:46
This has got to be the most stupid protest ever!?!?!

G-CPTN
6th Sep 2016, 13:05
It appeared (from photographs) that most of those protesting were fair-skinned.

Is this a case of people getting offended by the treatment of others (however indirectly) or is it a genuine attempt to stand up for 'persecuted' minorities?

Or are those protesting just anarchists?

bcgallacher
6th Sep 2016, 13:19
I have just watched BBC news showing a large group of police,security and vehicles on the runway - six hours to remove 9 demonstrators? Whoever was in command of this incident should be sacked for incompetence.I am just waiting for the PC statements justifying the inaction.

ericlday
6th Sep 2016, 13:28
Out of work scroungers preventing decent workers from earning a wage !!!

Aluminium shuffler
6th Sep 2016, 14:12
Anyone breaching airport security should be shot on sight, questions asked only later in a cell if they survive. The police have shown themselves to be incompetent cowards. They should have gone in hard, if unwilling to shoot, then with CS gas and batons, cuffed them and had them away in minutes. The right to protest does not extend to runways, and it does not entitle idiots who have no idea about their protest subject to endanger the lives of passengers and crews on aircraft planning to use the airport - the diversions caused needlessly add fuel and time pressure to numerous flights at busy surrounding airports, presenting increased risk to all on those aircraft. That sounds like an act of terrorism to me.

ayroplain
6th Sep 2016, 14:23
There is just one question to be answered here. Especially in the current climate how were these people able to fool and foil London City Airport security to even get as far as setting foot on the runway let alone bring along and set up a tripod and chain system?

Interested Passenger
6th Sep 2016, 14:39
to quote from The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

MISTER PROSSER:
Have you any idea how much damage that bulldozer would suffer if I just let it roll straight over you?

ARTHUR DENT:
How much?

MISTER PROSSER:
None at all!

(substitute 737/A320 etc instead of bulldozer)

2Planks
6th Sep 2016, 14:42
They probably didn't fool anyone I am sure they would were spotted, they did not come close to an aircraft as far as I can see, the airport was closed so it would be a proportional response to the situation, I understand the frustrations of all concerned but we in the UK do not live in a police state nor do we shoot first and ask questions later.


Had the airport been open I suspect the response would have been more robust to protect them from themselves.


Given the former docks are busy with boats all the time (a mate used to dragon boat there) its not really a surprise that someone has hopped aboard HMS London City.

Skipness One Echo
6th Sep 2016, 15:14
There is no security at LCY to prevent anyone getting explosives in the path of an aircraft landing or departing. Not so much as a fence and a whole load of nearby boats.

Clearly Greenpeace IMHO. No blacks involved, white poshos and ecofascists I believe.

chips101
6th Sep 2016, 15:39
I remember a few years back some youths swam across the dock got to the runway and "mooned" a flight on short finals 😂

Joe_K
6th Sep 2016, 15:47
There is just one question to be answered here. Especially in the current climate how were these people able to fool and foil London City Airport security to even get as far as setting foot on the runway let alone bring along and set up a tripod and chain system?

Foil? Have you ever been to LCY? There's no fence between the runway and the water (the runway being in the middle of Royal Albert Dock), presumably because any fence would be too close to the runway. The dock is used by any number of recreational users (rowing boats, etc.) and the occasional ship crossing toward Royal Victoria Dock. Anyone accessing the airport from the waterside would have been in full view of any number of people however.

Barcli
6th Sep 2016, 15:58
Just watched Sky news - where they showed the steps from the water to the runway !!!!
Incredible lapse in security
Counted 33 Hi viz vests......

Rob Courtney
6th Sep 2016, 16:05
Why does the airport not launch a civil case against this organization or individuals to claim back lost earnings?

horatio_b
6th Sep 2016, 16:06
Tasers are usually quite effective on those who refuse to co-operate

blimey
6th Sep 2016, 16:20
Compare and contrast the NYPD dragging some bloke through the 11 floor window of Trump Tower with our dear boys in blue stood around worrying for 6 hours. And some lard-arse can shut the M1 for 28 hours by standing on a overhead gantry.

It's about time the police were allowed to become a force again and rather than a service.

2Planks
6th Sep 2016, 16:37
Barcli - presumably those steps would be instrumental in getting people out of the water or off the lifeboats based at LCY, so they can go back and rescue more when the almost inevitable ditching occurs in the next 50 years or so.


Skipness 1E, given that LCY does not do low vis ops and the Tower personnel have view of the runway your scenario is a little far fetched IMHO.

Skipness One Echo
6th Sep 2016, 17:03
There are steps to the water as it's built on a dock and has no fence.
Basicially it's been an open security nightmare forever with major security theatre with armed plod at the front door and the back door left wide open.

The reason they weren't dragged off ASAP is Plod's terrified they'd be sued for causing them actual likely harm in doing so, meaning they're not smart enough to shift them in one go and deal with them off site.

cavortingcheetah
6th Sep 2016, 17:20
But if the villains were all chained to the tripod then a hook slung through the top of that and attached to a Chinook, for example, would allow the whole lot to be airlifted in one go and then dropped in the Thames.
Alternatively and to show that the quality of mercy is not strained, the tripod could have been enclosed and built up with faggots of wood which could then have been ignited to make a merry little pyre.
One could then have explained to the protesting press that under no circumstances would the demonstrators have been treated like that had they been black.
The resultants would be a cleared runway and a public relations trumph.

Economics101
6th Sep 2016, 17:45
I've been looking at the BBC website report on this. They give more prominence to the spoutings of the protesters than to anything else. These people do such things because there are always enough sympathetic idiots in the media who will give them loads of publicity.

Would it be too much to expect the authorities to make it plain to the BBC that they should report the incident without turning it into a free publicity gig? Howls about censorship.....

Skipness One Echo
6th Sep 2016, 17:55
There has to be a practical way of moving these clowns safely and within the law.
Talk of cranes and bonfires is briefly amusing but we need an actual answer and not a comedy one.

As a former local, it is not far fetched that an otherwise permitted boat could deposit a small number of men up to no good quite easily to a moving airliner at the 27 end. There is NOTHING to stop this, a little boom prevents access to the wider river but there's no fencing.

ExXB
6th Sep 2016, 18:03
Perhaps if the courts administered something other than a slap on the wrist to such criminals. The greenpeacers at Heathrow comes to mind. These guys can hardly be given anything else as what the Heathrow nuts got.

Full disclosure. I was a avid supporter of Greenpeace in the 70s, but not any more.

Heathrow Harry
6th Sep 2016, 18:03
""Black lives matter". Now a front for the Socialist Workers Party" --ahhh the old SWP...... truly one of the weirder branches of the Left......... make the CPGB and the old CPGB (ML) look really sane and middle of the road..........

White Knight
6th Sep 2016, 18:46
So to clarify. This wasn't the Judean Peoples' Front?

ExDubai
6th Sep 2016, 18:52
So to clarify. This wasn't the Judean Peoples' Front?
Nope, we are talking about the Peoples front of Judea.
Romani ite domum ;)

WHBM
6th Sep 2016, 19:08
We should surely get a bit of perspective here.

The steps down to the water, along with the LCY rescue boat which the firemen man, are provided because there is an acceptably low but still recognised risk, from experiences of other airports alongside water, of an aircraft departing the runway and entering the water. So it is good to have means to handle that eventuality.

Meanwhile someone getting onto a runway and destroying an aircraft has, as far as I am aware, never, ever happened. Such scenarios are really best left to Hollywood B-movie scriptwriters rather than the ludicrous attitudes displayed by some of the scaremongers above. Dickheads who come and make protests, which they could quite equally have done by chaining up the terminal front doors, should just be ignored.

As one who regularly lands at LCY I'm quite glad that the emphasis is the right way.

Rob Courtney
6th Sep 2016, 19:23
Nope, we are talking about the Peoples front of Judea.

Defiantly not the Popular Front then :E

Stanwell
6th Sep 2016, 19:36
Well, y'see, their plan to kidnap the Pilot's wife was foiled so they held themselves to ransom.

pax britanica
6th Sep 2016, 20:13
it does seem odd that there is no defined perimeter at LCY -just because it is in the water doesn;t mean you cannot build a boat stopping fence or have a boom of some kind.

Bizarre too that the protest is bannered black lives mater but all about immigrants-I thought the original US black lives matter was aimed at reducing gang vs gang crime and red neck cops with itchy trigger fingers (I am not making light of those issues either)

Always astonished at people s shoot on sight views -no doubt my protective boom should be a minefield in their eyes . On the other hand though:-

The UK old bill are too polite and pc (not PC) -perhaps going back to the 'good old days'of the Met SPG and 'We're the Sweeney son and we havent had our dinner so unless you want a good kicking tell us what you know about......' might not work in todays society theres not getting away from the fact that at some point force becomes necessary and fear is a good way of preventing that. five foot two girls in Hi Viz are fine for some situations but not whena bit of intimidation is required .

archae86
6th Sep 2016, 20:22
Meanwhile someone getting onto a runway and destroying an aircraft has, as far as I am aware, never, ever happened.
One might quibble about details (the aircraft were not on the actual runway) but I think the May 22, 2011 attack at PNS Mehran which among other successes destroyed two P3-C aircraft was along these lines.

finfly1
6th Sep 2016, 20:48
Wow. So they got to the UK now, and can't be handled there either.

KiloB
6th Sep 2016, 21:43
Surely committing an illegal act on behalf of a specific racial group counts as a 'hate crime' these days; and should be punished accordingly.
But then it seems to be OK to have a Black Police Officers Ass without it being categorised as racist. So I'm not too hopefull.

PersonFromPorlock
6th Sep 2016, 22:42
Hmm... one wonders about the possibility of training skunks to run into crowds.

fireflybob
6th Sep 2016, 23:00
Apparently they weren't carrying more than 100ml of liquids on them.....

WingNut60
7th Sep 2016, 01:47
What has a "Black Lives Matter" protest got to do with City Airport?
Reminds me of a newspaper cartoon I saw several years ago (in Australia) depicting a somewhat-confused looking gentleman carrying a placard saying "Stop Mining Whales".

For some people it is not important that their cause be either logical, valid or relevant. The object is simply to be seen protesting.

In that cartoon, the giant hand of God was descending from a cloud with thumb and forefinger positioned to flick the poor, misguided individual all the way to protestor's oblivion.
Unfortunately no such intervention at City Airport.

Victor Inox
7th Sep 2016, 07:57
No gunfire; no dead bodies; and they remain in one place protesting on the runway ...


Well, that is something one could always establish after an exchange of fire.

TractorBoy
7th Sep 2016, 08:11
Personally I'd have just left them there.

A few days of cold, zero publicity, food or water and laying in their own faeces with immediate arrest when they finally unlock might deter future attempts.

3db
7th Sep 2016, 08:19
At the end of the last century a smaller airport around London had a similar problem. Overnight a group of "travelers" arrived in the cafe car park with caravans - landside. Cafe owner arrived at 6:45 to open cafe and found car park full, requests to move met with 4 letter words. Cafe owner contacts tower. Tower said he would send someone and something. 7:15 fire service arrived with the water jet mounted on top of fire engine. Duty manager told them to leave private land. Load of 4 letter words. Duty manager said if you don't move the water integrity of the caravans would be tested. Load of four letter words. Duty manager used a four letter word - "fire". Within 10 seconds they agreed to move - one caravan had a concave side panel and the roof had split open at the roof/side panel joint (obviously no recent C/D check!), result of the water pressure. Site cleared by 7:35. Workers could now get breakfast as usual, firemen enjoyed lots of free bacon rolls.

Politically correct I doubt it, firing water against poor underprivileged people of no fixed abode and no consistent education etc etc. Effective 100%.

HamishMcBush
7th Sep 2016, 08:48
LCY security, what a bloody joke. Again.
Indeed - force crew and passengers through the (farce and) hassle of removing shoes, belts etc and undergo screening, when a bunch of idiots can get airside without being challenged and with goodness-knows-what in the way of "weapons" too.

IMHO when you take actions such as these, you are saying that you don't give a damn about society's laws and rules - thereby IMHO you don't deserve protection by "human rights" or other legislation. Force should be used and as has already been pointed out, water canon can have spectacul;arly effective results in a short space of time. A bit of foam mixed in with it probably has an even better effect....

TURIN
7th Sep 2016, 09:31
For those of you advocating extreme (and illegal) action against protesters, may I just ask this?

If you feel you have been 'wronged' and the law doesn't seem to support your point of view because (insert reasonable excuse here..lack of funds, access to political clout etc) what would be your course of action?

In addition, to the "shoot first, ask questions later' moro...sorry, advocates, how would you feel if your son/daughter, having wound up with a bunch of politically motivated individuals and, being of an impressionable age, ends up doing something disagreeable such as this and shot dead by trigger happy rozzers?

For what its worth I have no truck with this particular bunch who, as far as I can see, have hijacked one political/civil rights movement to highlight several others that have no link at all. (Black lives Matter-Climate change?)

ShyTorque
7th Sep 2016, 10:17
3db, a similar thing happened in our village when travellers took over a field which had just been newly fenced so sheep could be put in there. They broke down a brand new wooden gate to gain access.

After trying all other options to persuade them to leave, a tractor towing a muck spreader was brought in, along with a police presence. It was explained that the field would be fertilised in twenty minutes whether or not the caravans were in in or not.

The travellers left inside the twenty minutes.

ShyTorque
7th Sep 2016, 10:20
Turin, these protesters broke the law. The law allows reasonable force to be used and it should have been used immediately, imho.

Chesty Morgan
7th Sep 2016, 10:41
In addition, to the "shoot first, ask questions later' moro...sorry, advocates, how would you feel if your son/daughter, having wound up with a bunch of politically motivated individuals and, being of an impressionable age, ends up doing something disagreeable such as this and shot dead by trigger happy rozzers?

I'd have already disowned the tree hugging hippy twonk....so, meh.

2EggOmelette
7th Sep 2016, 11:44
Turin, In principle I agree with what you say. We are afforded the right of free speech within our society, and with that comes the freedom for peaceful demonstration. However, with those rights also comes responsibility. It is the protesters responsibility to ensure that the rule of law is followed at all times for example. Some people have suggested water cannon, rubber bullets etc, well there is a time and place for that. That time and place would have to be pretty dire - not like this situation.
Contrary to what the media likes to try and show us, there are very few people who will stare down a squad of padded up riot police officers. Apprehend and charge, it is that simple. If they fight back, well that is on them (the protesters) and any escalating situation will be treated for what it is. After all, they were in an active security zone, which is promulgated as such for good reason. I am curious as to what extent of the law these individuals will be prosecuted and sentenced.

sitigeltfel
7th Sep 2016, 12:25
How long before terrorists initiate an attack under the guise of one of these eco-loon stunts? In fact, yesterday's caper may have given them some ideas. Potential protestors should be warned that any further shenanigans will be met with the cooperation of some of the chaps from Stirling Lines. :E

It wasn't a protest, it was sabotage and I hope the airport, airlines and everyone else affected sue the pants off them for losses and inconvenience.

G-CPTN
7th Sep 2016, 12:59
I hope the airport, airlines and everyone else affected sue the pants off them for losses and inconvenience.
I suspect that many of these 'protesters' are unemployed and of 'no means' (like hunt antis).

'Anarchists' is probably the appropriate description.

KiloB
7th Sep 2016, 13:08
See they have now been charged with the obvious. Just hope they go on a lifetime No-Fly List as well. They caused some level of danger and destroyed the travel plans of thousands.

Piltdown Man
7th Sep 2016, 13:51
Apart from the security issues, the one I have trouble reconciling in my person of non-colour brain is the environment element of their protest. As far as I know, the majority our power stations are in rural areas; places not generally known for large populations of persons of colour (just how dark do you have to be to have a colour; or is it the shade that matters?). And the areas around our airports? As far as I know houses go for a premium near LHR and to my knowledge the areas around the rest of the UK are rural, again with no colour ghettos. So either the stupid tart who tried to make the case for rent-a-mob closing the airport has got her facts wrong or I live in parallel universe.

PM

(From the planet Thorg)

charliegolf
7th Sep 2016, 13:54
KiloB

a Black Police Officers Ass

Have you missed out an apostrophe there?

Interested Passenger
7th Sep 2016, 16:07
totally unrelated, but in Bedford yesterday someone decided to stand on the roof of a building, taunting police. The chopper was up for most of the day, for no apparent reason, apart from it being quite a nice day to fly around. One can only imagine the cost of these police 'operations'

Fairdealfrank
8th Sep 2016, 02:50
Quote:
the mob protesting about Black Deaths
They are a bit late; The Black Death in London fizzled out around 1665....... That was the plague, black death was a couple of centuries earlier.


"Black lives matter". Now a front for the Socialist Workers Party but the naïve idiots probably haven't twigged that yet.In the hard left (and right for that matter), there are always the "useful idiots".


I'm surprised that this wasn't sorted out in very short order. Are they allowed to continue to remain only because of political correctness about a racial issue? Perhaps if the courts administered something other than a slap on the wrist to such criminals. The greenpeacers at Heathrow comes to mind. These guys can hardly be given anything else as what the Heathrow nuts got.

Full disclosure. I was a avid supporter of Greenpeace in the 70s, but not any more.Yes, they'll get the same "rap on the knuckles" as the morons who invaded the Heathrow tunnel.


What has a "Black Lives Matter" protest got to do with City Airport? Because they reckon that the airport causes pollution and that pollution is "racist". yes, go figure.

You'd think that if they were so concerned about pollution that they would target the badly phased traffic lights that cause traffic to slow down or grind to a halt. It's low-gear driving and stationary traffic that causes most of the pollution.


Quote:
Originally Posted by White Knight http://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/584033-london-city-closed-demonstrators-3.html#post9499042)
So to clarify. This wasn't the Judean Peoples' Front?

Nope, we are talking about the Peoples front of Judea.
Romani ite domumNor was it the Tooting Popular Front, Wolfie's lot would have done it properly, steal a tank off salisbury Plain, invade Parliament in the recess, put laxative in the punch at a posh kids' party........

Freedom for Tooting. Fulham for the cup.


IMHO when you take actions such as these, you are saying that you don't give a damn about society's laws and rules - thereby IMHO you don't deserve protection by "human rights" or other legislation. Force should be used and as has already been pointed out, water canon can have spectacul;arly effective results in a short space of time. A bit of foam mixed in with it probably has an even better effect.... The trouble is that under these laws the human rights of criminals always trump those of ordinary law-abiding citizens.


And the areas around our airports? As far as I know houses go for a premium near LHRYou can say that again!!

UniFoxOs
8th Sep 2016, 08:46
Just hope they go on a lifetime No-Fly List as well.

+1.

Same with those "Plain Stupid" [email protected] as well.

WHBM
8th Sep 2016, 11:32
Same with those "Plain Stupid" [email protected] as well.
I got the feeling from the press coverage it was the same people.


Whoever at LCY invited John Stewart, one-man motor-mouth of HACAN, a comparable group, onto the official London City Airport Consultative Committee ?

sitigeltfel
14th Sep 2016, 16:40
The protestors appeared in court today, pleaded guilty to trespass and were given conditional discharges by the magistrate.

The leader of this merry little band of SJWs missed the protest because she was jetting off on a taxpayer funded trip to take part in a feminist conference in Brazil!

fireflybob
15th Sep 2016, 00:02
The protestors appeared in court today, pleaded guilty to trespass and were given conditional discharges by the magistrate.

I don't believe it!

sitigeltfel
15th Sep 2016, 08:12
Yep, break into an airport, cause criminal damage, massive disruption to flights and passengers, tie up emergency services for hours at a cost of hundreds of thousands of pounds and you get a conditional discharge.

Don't buy a £145.50 TV licence and you go to jail.

WHBM
15th Sep 2016, 09:25
Some detail from the court in the local rag here :

Black Lives Matter protesters fined after admitting City Airport trespass (From East London and West Essex Guardian Series) (http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/14744558.Black_Lives_Matter_activists_admit_airport_trespass _after_climate_protest/)

They don't appear to have been "fined" as the headline says but charged costs - and then given a conditional discharge.

I see that "Charges of being unlawfully airside were not continued with". Why ever not ? It's a pretty open and shut fact that they were. Does it mean that all those notices on perimeter fencing about dire penalties if you enter an airport are completely irrelevant ?

Smeagol
15th Sep 2016, 09:52
"Does it mean that all those notices on perimeter fencing about dire penalties if you enter an airport are completely irrelevant ? "

To you, me and most other Joe Public - No, but to some bunch of left wing, unsavoury, unemployed, sometimes unwashed, anti-social scumbags - Yes.

Get enough 'media coverage' and it seems that our justice system will be afraid to use the law to maximum effect as it might offend or upset them or some other minority pressure group and get 'bad press'.

Matters not that 95% of the population would welcome a significantly harder line when dealing with these anarchists.

ExXB
15th Sep 2016, 10:40
The leader of this merry little band of SJWs missed the protest because she was jetting off on a taxpayer funded trip to take part in a feminist conference in Brazil!

On which airline? It (they) should be named and shamed.

late-joiner
15th Sep 2016, 11:02
I do think civil cases should be used against the sort of people more often. The airport should sue them for a nominal sum for loss of earnings/costs incurred caused by their action, say £5k/£10k. Might even then be eligible for small claims track which is fairly automatic and cheap in operation. Then the enforcement of it will be hanging over their heads. At some stage these pampered, middle class, snowflake generation kids might grow up and want mortgages/loans or other normal interactions with society. An unpaid civil debt will cause them significant hassle.

G-CPTN
15th Sep 2016, 13:52
some bunch of left wing, unsavoury, unemployed, sometimes unwashed, anti-social scumbags

Black Lives Matter activists hail 'white privilege' as they walk free over airport protest (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3788741/Black-Lives-Matter-activists-admit-charges-City-Airport-protest.html).

Read the details of the miscreants - some are far from the above description:-

The Fiennes cousin

Twenty-five-year-old Natalie Geraldine Twistleton-Wykeham-Fiennes is a cousin of actor Ralph. She is a veteran of climate camp protests, taking her Cath Kidston tent. The LSE graduate, who studied English literature and sociology, lives with her parents in their £2million house just off Clapham Common. She told the court she supports herself by babysitting.

The lesbian expert

Esme Waldron, 23, a University of Sussex film graduate and former Churston Grammar School pupil, is a documentary maker and self-proclaimed expert on lesbian culture. Once named A-level ‘student of the year’, she later made a film about older lesbians called Now You See Me.

The buddhist

Ben Tippet gave his address as Fiennes’ family home in Wandsworth and is another LSE graduate. With blonde-dyed hair, the 24-year-old is an outspoken critic of the arms trade. One of his online user names is ‘Buddhist Ben’.

The expert climber

Spanish graduate Sama Baka is one of three protesters who live on the Northern Soul houseboat, moored at Roydon, Essex. Baka, 27, is an expert climber who has volunteered for clean air projects and raised cash for clean water in Uganda.

The musician

Anti-aviation campaigner Richard Collet-White, who has a degree in French and Russian from Oxford’s Exeter College, is jobless. The 23-year-old is an accomplished tenor, who played keyboards in a ska band and has volunteered for causes from Oxfam to community food growing.

The green fanatic

The second houseboat resident, Sam Lund-Harket, 32, supports activists across the UK in a range of movements from disaster aid to the RSPB. An environmental officer at university, the shaven-headed campaigner says he has been passionate about the planet since he was 16. He is a leading activist with the campaign group Global Justice Now and has worked with other similar groups.

The stage director

The final houseboat dweller, Corbynista Alex Etchart, 26, founded and directed West End show the Sex Workers Opera, performed by real-life burlesque dancers. He is a musician who works with ‘youth empowerment’ charities and has a degree in social anthropology and ethnomusicology from SOAS. His father is a Uruguayan who claims to be living in the UK in political exile. Etchart has previously taken part in anti-fracking camps.

The organic farmer

William Pettifer, 27, works on an organic Somerset farm and claims to be plotting the ‘downfall of white supremacist capitalist patriarchy’. The son of a company director, he took part in a blockade of Heathrow Airport last November.

The student activist

The oddest member of an odd group, Deborah Francis-Grayson, 31, lives in Slough where she is doing a media and communications PhD. She is interested in ‘intergenerational education work’ and volunteers with various groups to get people involved in politics. She has a conviction relating to a demonstration at Parliament against climate change in 2009.

TWT
15th Sep 2016, 14:46
I bet they wouldn't have tried that in the US or Russia !

sitigeltfel
15th Sep 2016, 15:03
On which airline? It (they) should be named and shamed.

You can't blame the airline. However, everyone of those named, and any who follow, should go on a worldwide no-fly list.
How could they possibly complain?

RedhillPhil
15th Sep 2016, 15:10
Amazing how often the L.S.E. crops up with these sort of people.

wiggy
15th Sep 2016, 16:19
Nothing really changes I guess, as I recall it from way back in the early 70's LSE set the gold standard in the UK when it came to student unrest and activism....if you look at the list of alumni and others those associated with the place it certainly attracts polititicial free thinkers...

Economics101
15th Sep 2016, 16:52
Further to my complaints much earlier about the overly sympathetic treatment of these idiots by the BBC, did anyone notice this week's Skies Above Britain episode? They had film of the earlier and similar sit-in on at Heathrow 27L, and extensive coverage of related demos and court hearings involving the Plane Stupid clowns.

The label "clown" is deserved because the main protagonist said that by preventing activities on 27L for a few hours they had saved several tons of carbon emissions? Never knew planes shut down their engines and glided into Heathrow after a shut-down. :rolleyes:

And the BEEB never asked a single critical question in the face of such total lunacy.

maliyahsdad2
15th Sep 2016, 17:02
Sadly they got off just as lightly as the current mob, though there was a lovely bit where the aforementioned main protagonist had a complete change of demeanour when the possibility of a jail time sentence arose. Sadly the judge bottled it though.

sitigeltfel
15th Sep 2016, 17:07
it certainly attracts polititicial free thinkers...

I could suggest another word ending in "kers"! ;)

wiggy
16th Sep 2016, 06:40
Sitigeltfel

:E

I'm not always in agreement with what Richard Littlejohn writes but I think he's spot on this morning:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3792121/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Privileged-eco-toffs-soft-headed-judge-insult-justice.html

Smeagol
16th Sep 2016, 08:42
G-CPTN, re your post 91

You challenged my use of "some bunch of left wing, unsavoury, unemployed, sometimes unwashed, anti-social scumbags", and give brief descriptions of some of the miscreants. After reading those descriptions I think my words were not too far from the truth.

"left wing" - I suggest that is quite accurate. Doubt there were many Torygraph subscribers in that group.

"unsavoury" - I find them all pretty unsavoury as do many others

"unemployed" - OK have to hold my hand up here only one was described thus, the rest might be better described as 'not usefully employed'.

"unwashed" - maybe I got carried away in this instance but many of the 'professional protester' fraternity seem to be more than a little 'crusty'.

"anti-social" - I am pretty certain that most of the UK population finds their actions 'contrary to the laws and customs of society, in a way that causes annoyance and disapproval in others.'

So overall 3.5 out of 5, or 70% correct. Not too bad really :)

connoisseur
16th Sep 2016, 09:02
An amusing mix of racism and group think on this thread. Does it not though raise a question about limitations among pilot and related job personality types?

I mean if you spend all of your working life doing as you are told, strictly by the manual or book, never daring to think independently of the 'rules'' and in private lives preferring political cant over rational and independent analysis, then is it not Victor Meldrew with a dash of racism (and probably sexism no?) that awaits?


In the good old days people who pushed back, abandoned the flock and had the bottle to stand up to or question accepted norms whatever the risk to themselves, were deserving of and got respect, whether one agreed with them or not.

Here they attract people wishing them the worst harms possible and delighting at the thought of inflicting said violence personally, in a scarily Nazi type way, even on their children :confused:(though they'd never have the bottle in reality would they?)

Funny old world isn't it:}

wiggy
16th Sep 2016, 09:12
In the good old days people who pushed back, abandoned the flock and had the bottle to stand up to or question accepted norms whatever the risk to themselves, were deserving of and got respect, whether one agreed with them or not.

Well it took a while but we've almost got to Godwin's Law..

I'm not sure the LCY group were abandoning any norms or risking anything, they knew they were on safe ground dealing with the British police and the British legal system and were indulging in the opportunity to grab a bagful of publicity and get their pictures in the papers...Hardly a case of risking life and limb resisting a repressive regime is it?

Now if they are willing to go off and try similar stuff in Russia or Africa hats off to them, they might have my respect....

OTOH hand many many people at the airport that day were trying to go about their lawful business, engage in peaceful activities such as seeing friends and relatives....but I guess they don't count.

sitigeltfel
16th Sep 2016, 09:21
An amusing mix of racism and group think on this thread.

A group of privileged whities stage a demonstration which has nothing whatsoever to do with race but claim that it is a matter that affects just one racial group?

Hijacking a racial issue and falsely labelling it to disguise your real intentions is as bad an example of racism as can be found.

4mastacker
16th Sep 2016, 10:26
Smeagol,

I think you used too many words to describe them. One should have been sufficient. Four letters of your choice followed by the letter 's' in order to to describe them as a group.

Sue Vêtements
16th Sep 2016, 23:11
I read the first few pages of this thread until it got to be the usual JB mouth frothing rant. It made me wonder if after posting people go off to their study and flagellate themselves.

EGLD
18th Sep 2016, 17:42
Natalie Geraldine Twistleton-Wykeham-Fiennes

:D:D

Still can't get over this

Natalie Geraldine Twistleton-Wykeham-Fiennes

:D:D

It's just perfect isn't it, like a Whitehouse and Enfield sketch

In fact if they wrote this story and made this person the main protagonist, it would seem too far-fetched

Krystal n chips
18th Sep 2016, 17:53
" It made me wonder if after posting people go off to their study and flagellate themselves " .

Perish the thought !...most of them are good right wing chaps so, in keeping with their affinity for Class 3B schoolroom group dynamics on here, they probably make an excuse about "seeing the chaps after work"...before happily visiting Ms Flaybums Academy for the Corrections of Errant School Boys...to further re-live their schooldays....in her study...:E

Rosevidney1
18th Sep 2016, 20:56
KnC - ever decided to go to the Highland games and toss the caber? Should be a doddle for you as the chip on your shoulder is obviously massive!