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Hussar 54
4th Sep 2016, 14:51
Surprised that this breaking news hasn't been mentioned yet....

Keith Vaz stands down as Home Affairs Select Committee chairman after male prostitute claims | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keith-vaz-quits-male-prostitute-allegations-labour-mp-chairman-home-affairs-select-committee-latest-a7224826.html)

Always thought when I've watched this self-righteous, pompous, slimy politico on the BBC Parliament channel that the only difference between God and Keith Vaz is that God has probably never thought that he, himself, is Keith Vaz....

piperboy84
4th Sep 2016, 14:53
Seen him on the telly a few times, he always gave the impression he was a Pete on the bog and not a Heather on the moor type of guy.

sitigeltfel
4th Sep 2016, 15:10
Surprised that this breaking news hasn't been mentioned yet....

Keith Vaz stands down as Home Affairs Select Committee chairman after male prostitute claims | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keith-vaz-quits-male-prostitute-allegations-labour-mp-chairman-home-affairs-select-committee-latest-a7224826.html)



http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/411282-uk-politics-hamsterwheel-358.html#post9496534 (http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/411282-uk-politics-hamsterwheel-358.html#post9496534)

rogerg
4th Sep 2016, 15:14
See UK politics

gemma10
4th Sep 2016, 16:35
Thats almost as big a WOW as the Seti wow.

B Fraser
4th Sep 2016, 16:49
Will he be joining the Lib Dems where he will be assured of a warm hand upon his entrance ?

Hussar 54
4th Sep 2016, 18:08
Ah...Sorry....

Don't visit that thread very often as I don't really understand most of the comments / arguments in there not being a Brit....

B Fraser
4th Sep 2016, 19:53
He is an MP who thought his seat was safe.

Pontius Navigator
4th Sep 2016, 20:08
And holier than thou . . .

ShyTorque
4th Sep 2016, 21:48
I'm surprised it took this sort of thing for him to find a conscience. The Hinduja passport episode, "flipping" his housing to take advantage of better allowances (he was required to pay back a considerable sum)...

Not someone I'd want to trust.

Loose rivets
4th Sep 2016, 22:59
Was he set up? i.e., entrapment? If so, I wish we had the same law as America - the one that gave De Lorien a get out of jail card.

Looking up the answer to my own question, I see it's a no, with a little bit of yes. So, fairly standard stuff.

crippen
5th Sep 2016, 08:56
Time to sort out that obnoxious women Hodges.! Any body got anything on her?:E

tony draper
5th Sep 2016, 09:00
Sky News is now calling them male escorts rather than prostitutes, a few phone calls have been made I reckon.
:uhoh:

ORAC
5th Sep 2016, 09:00
Time to sort out that obnoxious women Hodges.! Any body got anything on her? Nobody's fingered her so far......

maliyahsdad2
5th Sep 2016, 09:03
Nobody's fingered her so far......
Not on tape anyway!

Peter-RB
5th Sep 2016, 09:43
Where did "Vaz the Impaler" or slime-ball,.. obtain his 400 k from..??..and why did this not trigger any comments from his Bank or Post office account,, after all if any ordinary member of the Public puts 10 k CASH into a bank account they ask why? and where did the cash originate from....or are MPs privileged .. very good to see the hypocrite get his just deserts:D:D

Isn't life Grand for the Political elite..another case of a Blairite with his Snout into a trench of a different sort...

As for Hodges, she is "Minted" from a huge industrial conglomerate Old family, more money than God..!:mad:

sitigeltfel
5th Sep 2016, 09:48
Was he set up? i.e., entrapment? If so, I wish we had the same law as America - the one that gave De Lorien a get out of jail card.

I doubt it. The most likely scenario is that one of Vazs regular "contacts" rumbled his real identity and realised he could make a lot of money by going to the press with the story.
That would not be entrapment because no one induced him to commit any act, illegal or otherwise. In fact he appears to be the instigator, but no doubt he will play the victim, or even the race card.

Mr Vaz was last night said to be determined to prove his innocence. A friend claimed the two prostitutes had actually been painters who had come to redecorate a new flat he had bought close to his family home in Stanmore, Middlesex.

A source at Trinity Mirror, the publisher of the Sunday Mirror, said the newspaper stood by its story: “This is not a sting. This is not a set-up, we have not entrapped him into anything he was not doing anyway.”

UniFoxOs
5th Sep 2016, 10:02
Maybe he will still get away with it.

A friend of Mr Vaz told the Mail on Sunday, the politician was not resigning entirely and would wait to see if he had enough support from MPs to remain on the committee.

He ought to resign as an MP, not just as chair of a committee (in which he has some sort of vested interest).

Tankertrashnav
5th Sep 2016, 10:06
If anything this will knock Labour off the moral high ground that it thinks it occupies. A stock in trade of the average leftie comic is the Tory or Lib/Dem MP or lord caught with his trousers down, I wonder how many jokes Jeremy Hardy and his like will be making about this?

On a more serious note, although like most on here I have never liked Vaz, this whole business shows how little we have moved on from the hypocrisy of Victorian society, which condemned sex but in which prostitution, including child prostitution, was rife. Personally, if a bloke wants to pay a couple of other blokes for sex, as long as they do it in private and don't frighten the horses then I have no complaint about him.

ORAC
5th Sep 2016, 10:11
As for Hodges, she is "Minted" from a huge industrial conglomerate Old family, more money than God..! And which avoided, and continues to avoid, paying UK taxes using all the mechanisms she was furiously attacking on her House committee.

She gives hypocrites a bad name.....

Sallyann1234
5th Sep 2016, 10:17
I see that the BBC news site has removed their item about Vaz. They only report what the papers are saying.

KelvinD
5th Sep 2016, 10:25
Not so. It still features in the "Politics" section.

Peter-RB
5th Sep 2016, 10:29
We , the Honourable members of the Public..who supply most of the money that pays for the nefarious and corrupt Politicians we vote for, are sadly unable to quickly dispose of any Political system or individual who transgresses what are unwritten laws of human decency .....

Any Member of Parliament who transgresses what are normally thought of rules of Good and decent behaviour... Should in my opinion be able to be suspended without pay instantly.... how else can we expect British Society to set examples to others, without such instant and embarrassing response's .

All the main parties have members who are bent and known to break or bend the Rules......why then, is there no system for instant and permanent retribution..??

Widger
5th Sep 2016, 10:41
Where did "Vaz the Impaler" or slime-ball,..

Peter RB

I just had one of those Bwahahahaha moments with everyone in the office looking at me!

Sallyann1234
5th Sep 2016, 11:00
Not so. It still features in the "Politics" section.
If you mean this item
Keith Vaz profile: Labour MP and 'Teflon politician' - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37271238)

it is a history of his career. It doesn't mention the present scandal at all.

Peter-RB
5th Sep 2016, 11:03
Hey Widger,

I aim to please some of the people some of the time, I too smiled when I typed it..!!;)

ORAC
5th Sep 2016, 11:14
Sally, are you suggesting the story got spiked?........

Sallyann1234
5th Sep 2016, 12:17
Draw your own conclusions.

Andy_S
5th Sep 2016, 12:19
And which avoided, and continues to avoid, paying UK taxes using all the mechanisms she was furiously attacking on her House committee.

She gives hypocrites a bad name.....

And don't forget her connection to a child abuse scandal.

ORAC
5th Sep 2016, 12:23
Well this is still in the BBC Politics section

Keith Vaz 'paid for male escorts', Sunday Mirror claims - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37269919)

Sallyann1234
5th Sep 2016, 12:29
Yes, that's yesterday's reporting of the "Sunday Mirror claims".

No reporting by the BBC itself.

sitigeltfel
5th Sep 2016, 13:25
The BBC knew all about Vaz and his party time peccadilloes?

http://order-order.com/2016/09/05/bbc-investigated-vaz-last-year/ (http://order-order.com/2016/09/05/bbc-investigated-vaz-last-year/)

sidevalve
5th Sep 2016, 14:12
How about this report:
MP to report Keith Vaz to Commons Standards watchdog - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37274326)

piperboy84
5th Sep 2016, 18:53
So let me get this straight, an immigrant reaches the pinnacle of success and respectability in his adopted country primarily thru that countries liberal and tolerant laws and society, using the prestigious and powerful political position he has attained pushes for multiculturalism and open borders, going as far as to meet and greet the first young Rumanian immigrant men arriving at the airport to wish them well and praise them. He then is caught hiring rent boys from Eastern Europe ( no doubt here also under the laws he's advocated for) who offer to sell him drugs and suck his c&$k. Prostitution and class A drugs being the 2 things his lofty chairmanship of a select committee is charged with looking into and combating. The leader of his party says it's a private matter and he says he will not stand down from his position of trust representing the citizens of this country.

We're doomed, we have handed the keys of the country to morally bankrupt, perverse junkies and are tolerating and underwriting the whole farce in the name of political correctness.

ricardian
5th Sep 2016, 20:36
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Gertrude the Wombat
5th Sep 2016, 23:06
Prostitution and class A drugs being the 2 things his lofty chairmanship of a select committee is charged with looking into and combating.
Yeah, well, the rules on disclosure are moderately sensible on a good day, and it's not entirely obvious how they ought to be applied here.


You should declare something as an interest if the matter you're deciding is likely to affect you more than it will affect any random member of the public. So councillors can make decisions on council tax without declaring that they are council tax payers, MPs can make decisions on regulation of motor vehicles without declaring that they drive a car, and so on.


So if you regard using legal drugs and paying rent boys legally for sex as just normal behaviour that anyone might, and does, get up to, there's no call to declare this as an interest any more than there would be to declare that you sometimes drank pints when chairing a committee that investigates the licenced trade.


There's no hypocrisy here - he's not a "family values" Tory who tells people to do one thing and does the opposite himself - and in the absence of any clearly worrying conflict of interest, as explained above, it's not actually clear that there's a story here.


Doesn't mean he's not a slimeball - there are plenty of other things in his history not to like - but I think this one is mostly about the media.

megan
6th Sep 2016, 05:27
Nobody's fingered her so far...... Naughty ORAC. :E

handsfree
6th Sep 2016, 06:40
There's no hypocrisy here - he's not a "family values" Tory

There is the little matter of him being married.

Pontius Navigator
6th Sep 2016, 08:04
The stupidity issue comes from the outcome of the BBC investigation last year. He was clearly in the frame last year even if that became a non-story. He must have been aware.

Then it is possible someone concerned, who wasn't happy that story was spiked, had a whisper in some one's shell like at the Mirror. It then became just a question of time.

Peter-RB
6th Sep 2016, 13:42
According to BBC 1.00 O clock News the "Vazeline King"..or "Vaz the Impaler" has fallen ..onto something sharp...and its not a friendly weapon.. it seems his fellow Labour MPs had lost confidence in his ability...?

Or could they be a feared of more things to "Pop Up"...Red Ken stated he should be given the benefit of doubt......now then I wonder what he means..??

Pontius Navigator
6th Sep 2016, 14:34
Peter_RB, never understood what benefit of the doubt meant. My housemaster was always giving me the benefit of the doubt before giving me six of the best.

Not sure what that was either, but it hurt.

larssnowpharter
6th Sep 2016, 14:53
Typical JB you lot! Picking on the nice Mr Vaz just because he is a Labour MP. The usual right wing suspects gang up on the guy.

Is it not clear to you that that Mr Vaz was making an effort to get to the bottom (so to speak) of some of the problems his (ex) parliamentary committee was investigating. The fact that he chose to do this by conducting his research at first hand should be held up as a laudable example to other MPs.

It would seem that he also borrowed money (which I am sure he will repay in much the same way as he repaid the 4 grand he overclaimed as parliamentary expenses a short while ago) thus saving the public purse in researching this (t)horny subject.

Well done Mr Vaz. :D:D:D:D:D:D:E

Peter-RB
6th Sep 2016, 15:08
Pontius.

I too had the cane under similar wording, one of those Bendy knobbly sorts of canes, three times,.. I had six of the best, could not sit down for nearly seven days after each dose, to be fair I was always bang to rights,.. then I realised to stop fighting over girls..never had it (the cane) again..;)

Cazalet33
6th Sep 2016, 19:06
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/09/06/0709-MATT-GALLERY-WEB-P1-large_trans++qVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.png

tarantonight
7th Sep 2016, 11:30
I have found it very interesting the media have made little of what appears to be a cocaine reference early on in all this, namely an offer to pay for, but not take, the drug by an individual who seems to be present.


It can be a highly complex area, but the attached link is an interesting read re the possibilities. Consider Offering/Being Concerned and R v Showers (1995) - Words or Conduct:


I am struggling to find the full R v Showers online, but there appears to be a UK Barbados/Caribbean connection.


See also R v Hughes (1985).


As I say, complex, but interesting.


Having just carried out a final bit of research before posting, there is a little mention on the web re Showers.


Drug Offences: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service (http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/drug_offences/#a17)


TN.