GA damage started by the National Party

[Dick Smith]

I recently found this cutting from the Namoi Valley Independent from Thursday 5 October 2000. Here is a link (http://rosiereunion.com/file/Angry%20Anderson%20article.jpg).

Particularly note the quotes from John Anderson, who at the time was the Deputy Prime Minister, leader of the National Party and Minister for Transport.

“I don’t think that you should ever regard aviation safety as what is affordable. Safety is something which has the highest priority - it is not a question of cost.” It is interesting where he states it is not worth having a meeting with me because:

“His views are well known and are generally not accepted.” Yes, back in 2000, now 16 years ago, many dopes in the industry accused me of introducing affordable safety – can you imagine unaffordable safety? They constantly resisted my campaign to remove all unnecessary costs. We are now reaping the results.

We are now suffering the damage and it is all so unnecessary – and it was industry supported damage.

Of course John Anderson’s ‘cargo cult’ statements would have come straight from the Department. The key issue now is whether Mr Chester’s views are the same.

[Hempy]

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k144/h3mpy/anderson.jpg

[OZBUSDRIVER]

Bit of background...

Dick Smith's $19305 article (http://www.pprune.org/dunnunda-godzone-pacific/23202-dick-smith-s-19-305-article-fyi.html)

....then in 2002.

NAS vs LLAMP (http://www.pprune.org/dunnunda-godzone-pacific/22561-nas-vs-llamp-continued-3.html) Read through to post 41...same guy is really pissed off with Dick that he teams Smith up with Forsyth.

[TBM-Legend]

Anderson talked out of both sides of his mouth. Totally untrustworthy from my personal experience. Appointed Byron as head of CASA who was related by marriage too!

[Flying Binghi]

Time to give the red haired lass a call perhaps..;)




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[Horatio Leafblower]

Much as I love to disagree with RHS, he is 100% correcton this.

Col Pay referred to John Anderson as the worst Aviation Minister since (was it Clem someone? Well before my time).

Of course, Col never lived to see Anthony Albanese or Warren Truss as Transport Minister.

The NSW Nats are totally uninterested in shifting the balance in Regional Airlines in NSW - but I am sure that is unrelated to disgraced ex Nats Leader John Sharp being a director.

Ditto Mark Vaile at Virgin.

...but the thing I like about Australia is that we're not corrupt :ugh:

[Dick Smith]

It is important for one of our industry leaders to contact Minister Chester and ask him if he agrees with the statement:

“I don’t think that you should ever regard aviation safety as what is affordable. Safety is something which has the highest priority - it is not a question of cost.” If he does believe in John Anderson’s statement – it could even be a secret policy of the National Party for all I know – I once again advise everyone to get out of aviation. As I have said, the money you will lose now by getting out will be far less than what you will lose if you get out in two or three years.

[Frank Arouet]

Anderson had the benefit of flying in a cocoon of safety paid for by the taxpayer. Unaffordable safety by any measure unless the public purse is keeping his piece of airspace free of all conflict. Other than The Windsor's or visiting dignitary's I can't think of anybody deserving this amount of safety. Remember this person gave us public funded airport upgrades which made them all no-go areas unless we paid for a red "exemption" card.
A can of red paint would have designated a security zone as easily as this unaffordable safety.

[BendyFlyer]

Dick I could not agree more. If you see my posts on the topic of Skidmore resigning you will know what I mean. We may not see eye to eye on everything but by golly you have been right! Have fun!

[Fris B. Fairing]

HL

(was it Clem someone? Well before my time)

That would be Charlie Jones the boilermaker.

[Dick Smith]

Has the new minister made any comments about the need to remove all unnecessary costs?

Has anyone heard anything from him aviation policy wise ?

[Frank Arouet]

I heard him say in question time today that the government are building new airports. He didn't say when or where and Albanese wasn't heard because of constant interjections. I thought the claim lacked merit, but that's probably because I don't pay attention to used car salesmen.

[thorn bird]

Maybe he's claiming "Wellcamp" was his idea, funded by the Guvmint Frank.

[gerry111]

Isn't Badgery's Creek airport coming along splendidly, Frank?

I thought that was a core promise by the current federal government..

[LeadSled]

Folks,
The airspace planning for Sydney West is coming along fine, and is right up to AirnoService's usual standards.

The zone is being designed for aircraft that will never exist, doing a maneuver that will never happen there --- resulting in no IFR approaches for Bankstown or Camden, and severe restrictions on both.

By this I mean Cat E aircraft and circling!! There is no such thing as a Cat E civil aircraft, and never will be!!
And I see no mention of noise impact of circling in the EIS.

If they designed the zone just for "straight-in" approaches, there would be little impact on Bankstown or Camden and that wouldn't be fair would it, as all new developments have to shaft GA one way or another, that's the policy.

Tootle pip!!

[Frank Arouet]

I stand corrected with Badgery's Creek Airport. That's one. How splendidly, is the question.

[Daisy0138]

Dick Smiths thread Quotes Minister Anderson suggesting safety has priority over cost .Airservices website says that animated weather images will not be part of adsb broadcasts because they can not interest an outside party to pay for it

[Hempy]

If you believe that safety has priority over cost you are as silly as the people who voted Anderson into office.

Dick started the whole stinking cheese rolling with 'affordable safety'...

[Lead Balloon]

Affordable safety is all around us, every day, Hempy. It's not one of Dick's 'pet projects'. It's a fact of life. That's why there's no ILS at Mildura. That's why there are no CATIIIC approaches in Australia.

Dick has merely been asserting an objective truth: If CASA (including AVMED) are going to just keep on making more and more rules and imposing more and more restrictions in response to any and every risk, no matter its objective and comparitive probabilities and the costs of compliance, all they are doing is continuing to drive people and investment away from the industry and stultifying it.

[Captain Dart]

LB, Melbourne has a CAT IIIB ILS onto Runway 16. But that, and its 24 hour ops is about all that I can say is good about Melbourne Airport.

[The name is Porter]

And so are 'user fees' for an asset that you have paid for several times over through other taxes and 'user fees'

[megle2]

Sussan Ley latest to cause GA to groan, not the Nationals this time

[Squawk7700]

Sussan Ley latest to cause GA to groan, not the Nationals this time

At least she provided a few GA companies with some hire revenue before she resigned.

[Seaeagle109]

Maybe now she's resigned from the front bench, she'd like to work on some aviation issues.

It'd be nice to have a pollie that knows more about aviation that just the location of the Chairman's lounge, actually getting involved in a portfolio/ cause that's not really a vote winner.

[kaz3g]

Sad she has gone as I think she was doing a good job. I support her use of her single engine plane to fly around her electorate but it's a bit rich hiring a twin so you can keep your CPL current flying the RPT routes.

I use mine for work sometimes and are happy to do so just claiming the tax deduction. Perhaps if she had done this she would still be in a Ministerial job.

Kaz

Kaz

[Section28- BE]

Ohrrrr-

Look, it 'shall' all be Good (Mal and The Team), stay calm.

The Barn (aka the Flapping Shed Door) told me so........, at 'Camden Park' 2+ x years ago with 'the Tone'/ a Deputy PM and associated hangers on.

Now, 'Apparently' agriculture shall save the AAA Credit Rating................... for us all, Record Prices for Cattle- all bloody GOOD, don't worry 'We've Got This'............ + the Free Trade Deals.

I truly, am way too dumb, but right here, right now we- onsite in the less unreal parts of AU are clicking into the/our 6th year of Declared Drought in 4th World Australia, and as such- being the Bulk Breeding Capacity of the Eastern Seaboard, have been cutting the Heads Off Females (Bovines guys) and Burning Overhead (you can't turn those Input Costs/Parasites OFF) for some 4+ years............

She (Ms Ley) and "They" will save you all/us, don't sweat it- if I could farm out the Hire Cost to fly myself in someone else's frame and log the hrs, why not- keep me current at someone else's expense...........

Stay safe all- "these" people are in No-Way Removed from the ACTUALLITY that is Australia................

Rgds all
S28- BE

[Creampuff]

Methinks you may have imbibed too much of the in-flight refreshments, S28-BE.

[Section28- BE]

Nar Puff-

Doing it- inspite of these folks........ and you.

In an industry and situation, obviously you are removed from.

Cheers
S28- BE

[gerry111]

Regarding Sussan Ley and some optimistic hopes that she could perhaps contribute to sorting out the mess that is CASA.

Alas..

"She's not the Messiah, she's a very naughty girl!"

(My apologies to Monty Python.)

[Duck Pilot]

At least she was honest and acted appropriately by standing down when the issue went viral. Plenty of others in the past who have had to be removed kicking and screaming over a long period of time for far worse things.

She did do a good job as the health minister.

[B772]

Re Charlie Jones - Minister for Transport incl Civil Aviation in the Whitlam era.
Charlie only had a primary school education and prior to politics was a waterside worker or wharfie. Being from Newcastle his main interest was trains. Basically the rot in Australian aviation set in during this period.

[gerry111]

(From ABC News.)

"Ms Ley famously changed the spelling of her first name to Sussan, after discovering a numerology theory claiming it would bring her an exciting and interesting life."

Cheers, Gerrry.