27th Aug 2016, 04:59
Great quote in here, "Melbourne's the novel, Sydney's the movie" --

Melbourne Day 2016: could the world's most liveable city be even better? (http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/melbourne-day-2016-could-the-worlds-most-liveable-city-be-even-better-20160818-gqvbg5.html)

Don't look for aviation content, except that Fishermen's Bend (which gets a mention) used to be the site of the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation's factory and airfield, where many a Wirraway, Boomerang and Mustang first slipped the surly bonds of earth.

27th Aug 2016, 08:37
A bit too spread out, snooty and grey/rainy for me.
Must admit given the choice I prefer the fake-tanned, bar-top dancing, trashy blonde of Australian cities.
Make a point of looking up from my phone every time I cross the harbour bridge to work in the morning... what a place.

27th Aug 2016, 08:59
My god, I haven't read such garbage before in my life.

Everything is closed in Melbourne on a Sunday. Want to buy a car on a Sunday, no chance, the car dealers are closed.

How about a night out at the Docklands. It's easy to park because there is no one there, all the shops close at 5pm. Make sure you display your ticket though. Go overtime by 0.0001 of second and bam, parking fine issued.

Maybe eat somewhere in the CBD, bring your cash with you as very few food places take EFTPOS......cash only signs everywhere.

Perhaps you might want to take the train. Great, but the Myki card system is a disaster. Be prepared for a $250 fine even when the machine at the station says you tapped on correctly and have $300 in credit. That is if the train comes on time or arrives at all. Weather conditions cause havoc, if it's hot, cold, windy or wet the entire signalling system falls over. According to a Sydney train driver friend, most of the signalling infrastructure dates back to WW2. Don't expect a seat though, most trains are standing room only. Even on the 2 hr regional Vline routes. These are mostly bullet nose diesel locos hauling 1950's carriages. My last trip a week ago several wheels were so out of round, the vibration made it impossible to read my news paper and the suspension made such a squealing noise I needed my David Clarks.

There is no ferry service between Geelong and the CBD, or any where else.

No other codes of football are played other than AFL and Soccer. Kids in NSW have the choice of AFL, NRL, Soccer, Rugby Union, Gridiron with active and large junior grades to play. It's only AFL or Soccer in Vic.

Want to join a footy club Essendon or Richmond etc) and go to their club and dine at the multitude of restaurants, or see a show, join the darts or snooker club. Well sorry folks, no suck thing exists in Victoria. Football clubs down here are only admin offices and a player training facility.

I won't even talk about the carjackings and the Apex gang/home invasion problem.

In summary, Melbourne is simply not the most liveable city in the world. Not even close.

Now Sydney has;
The Sydney Harbour, Sydney Harbour National Park(yes there is a national park in the centre of Sydney) Opera house, Harbour Bridge, Ferries, Darling Harbour, Barangarroo. State of the art double deck electric trains rolling on tracks that are razor straight.






27th Aug 2016, 09:39
Your comparison between Melbourne and its northern cousin, I quite agree with.
Nonetheless, the place has its charms.
Lygon Street aside, it had usually reminded me a lot of what Sydney was like when I was a kid in the 1950s.
Now they seem to be messing even that part of it up.

Oh, I'm just reminded that the motor vehicle number-plate slogan used to be .. "Victoria - A State of Excitement".

Gertrude the Wombat
27th Aug 2016, 10:28
Dunno what it's like to live there, but as a visitor I found that once you'd fallen into the river and got run over by a tram you'd done Melbourne, whereas Sydney is Sydney, no comparison.

Takan Inchovit
27th Aug 2016, 10:51
Melbourne? Couldn't get out of there fast enough. Yep, missed the wedding in Latrobe.:*

27th Aug 2016, 12:43
I wonder who writes this "world's most liveable city" crap

The same people who rate Stockholm over London I suppose.

27th Aug 2016, 13:33
Well may you knock Melbourne out of hand, but it impossible to knock one her greatest sons of recent times.

Farewell Keith Dunstan, a man of wit and jest

Keith Dunstan became synonomous with the cultural life of his beloved Melbourne.
KEITH Dunstan was gently amusing, but there was a sharp tip to the pen if someone needed a prod.

No Brains At All, his autobiography, was the remark of a school master who didn't realise that behind that disarming smile was a very sharp brain.

We were at opposite ends of the newsroom when he wrote A Place in the Sun for the Sun News Pictorial in morning and I wrote In Black and White for the Herald in the evening.

Our eyes sometimes met across the distance of a huge newsroom in what we might not have realised at the time were the glory days of print journalism.

Dunstan, who died of cancer at age 88, became the American West Coast correspondent in Los Angeles, and after some years I followed.

I arrived in LA on a sunny day to be picked up by Keith at LAX.

We drove from the airport to Beverley Hills, high-rise buildings baking in the sun and people wandering about in shorts and sunglasses.

What did I think of it, he asked me, and I replied that it rather reminded me of Surfers Paradise.

That was perhaps the cruellest thing anyone had ever said of the place since Woody Allen had remarked that he would never live in Beverley Hills because he "might turn into a Mercedes".

Keith Dunstan and grandson Jack Dunstan reignite the Anti-Football league.
Keith Dunstan and grandson Jack Dunstan reignite the Anti-Football League.
Dunstan drove an unusually small and very ugly but economical Chevrolet, concerned even in the freewheeling '80s about saving the plant.

When he picked me up from the hotel where we were staying, he got in the right-hand side.

I said I didn't think I was ready to drive on the opposite side of the road and he gave that gentle smile and said he must have been thinking he was back in Australia.

Keith lived out in the desert at a place called Calabasas. This didn't stop him from writing about LA and the strange people who seemed to live there.

He preferred to live in the desert because he rode his bike across its empty roads each day with a cycling group.

Without realising it, Keith Dunstan was perfectly suited to life in California. He managed to live life at his pace.

Dunstan was born on February 3, 1925, and went to Geelong Grammar.

He described himself as one of the RAAF's "least successful pilots" in WWII, serving in Morotai and North Borneo, and at war's end joined The Sun, serving in London and New York. In "No Brains At All' his account of joining the air force must be one of the funniest chapters ever written about what it was like to be a recruit joining the RAAF. There are shades to it of 'Dad's Army'.

Writing APITS, as A Place in the Sun was known by the more than a million people who read it, he gave the impression that daily deadlines were easily achieved.

He was never stressed and unfailingly polite, not always a quality found in reporters. His reportage was his alone. His style was as relaxed as his smile.

The tip of the pen was sharpened but with a humour that never gave offence.

When he created the Anti-Football League it mocked football-mad Melbourne, but the most hysterical of football followers read it with delight.

His writing style gave the impression of unhurried leisure. That must have been why so many people read it.

It relaxed them like some massage of the mind each day before they went to work. It made people feel good about themselves for reading it.

Those column and books like The Paddock That Grew about the Melbourne Cricket Ground and the quartet of Wowsers followed by Knockers, then Sports and later Ratbags showed a very many brains indeed.

Admirers praised Keith Dunstan's quick wit and his unique voice in Melbourne journalism and beyond.

Former Sun editor Colin Duck said Dunstan would be sadly missed.

"Australia has been blessed with many fine newspaper columnists but none outshone Keith Dunstan," Duck said.

Sun cartoonist Geoff "Jeff" Hook, whose work often illustrated Dunstan's, said he was "the best, the greatest journalist and author of our generation. He was my mate, true friend and colleague, and much loved".

Former Sun editor Rod Donnelly said: "Keith Dunstan was one of the greatest journalists Australia has produced.

"He (also) stood up for his son's opposition to the Vietnam War … certainly he was a man of principle."

Former HWT editor Leigh Stevens said Dunstan was "a master of phraseology and a legend at the Sun in his day".

Dunstan's APITS successor, Graeme "Jacko" Johnstone, called him "the journalist's journalist, the king of the columnists, the ultimate purveyor of the craft".

"He turned A Place In The Sun into the column everyone read. Everyone knew Keith and, in turn, Keith knew everyone," Johnstone said.

"He was brave enough to challenge the massive media coverage of the great god football and incisively explored everything Australian, from the meat pie onwards.

"He was Mr Melbourne."

Former Herald and Herald Sun editor Bruce Baskett said Dunstan's columns resonated with Melburnians.

"But to put it down into words and make it readable, and make it put a smile on your face in the morning - that's enormous ability. Rare, absolutely rare."

News Limited Victorian managing director (editorial) Peter Blunden said: "Keith possessed a rare touch and an affinity with Melbourne, making him one of the most admired, respected and well-read journalists and authors of his generation."

Metro man
27th Aug 2016, 13:35
Capital city of a rust belt state. Victoria is mainly a source of migrants for Queensland. Main destinations for new immigrants to the country are Sydney, Perth and Brisbane. Even economic refugees from Tasmania only use Melbourne as a transit point to move on from.

Doesn't even feature on the backpacker trail which runs from Sydney through to Cairns.

27th Aug 2016, 13:37
Just further to my earlier mention of car number-plate slogans...
It had been suggested that, during a certain premier's tenure, the slogan should be changed to .. "Victoria - A state of anxiety".

Just to be fair, it was felt that NSW's slogan at that time should've been changed to .. "NSW - What a state to be in!".

27th Aug 2016, 14:58
When I was in Sydney (and reinforced over the years) I always thought you folks thought of Melbourne as Montreal thought of Toronto.

27th Aug 2016, 15:26
Melbourne is Sydney's outer suburb. Undoubtedly the brief to tell us that it's all marvellous must have come from the scribes in Sydney who don't want us heading North.

Poxy casino slap bang in the heart of the city, Dockywood with all its dog-box slum towers, pretentious and stuffy coffee and wine culture, try-hards doing the Euro thing paying extra for their Euro style number plates.

Oh yes, there are some gems of places around, in fact there are quite a few, but there whereabouts is simply not shared with anyone.

27th Aug 2016, 15:28
Lived there for 20 years.

Left to spend 3 months in Darwin.

That was in 1977. Still haven't found a good reason to leave Darwin and go back.

Liveable? It's probably life, Jim - but not as we know it.

27th Aug 2016, 15:49
Melbourne is a crap-hole.

You shiver through winter for 6 months, get 1 week of spring, 4 weeks of stinking hot summer with 6 or 7 straight days in the 40's C (100+F), a week of autumn and them back to cold and crappy.

The place is full of organic-soy-mocha-latte drinking dudes with top knots, trimmed beards and black turtlenecks..i.e it's pretentious.

The only thing it has going for it is the sporting precinct in the city. Melbourne could hold the AFL grand final, the Australian Open mens tennis final and a World Cup soccer match at venues all virtually within throwing distance of each other and fill all the stadiums. With the F1 GP and the Melbourne Cup on.

Don't get me started on hook turns :ugh:


27th Aug 2016, 17:14
"...shiver through winter for 6 months" ? Temps in Melbourne don't go below freezing in winter. Is there no central heating? Is this a wind-up?

Your comments on the climate of Melbourne would lead me to conclude that on that basis, you would consider every city in Canada a terrible place to live, including perhaps one of the the world's most beloved cities, Vancouver, B.C., where "the place is full of organic-soy-mocha-latte drinking dudes with top knots, trimmed beards.."

27th Aug 2016, 17:26
Houses in Australia typically don't have central heating and little or no insulation. While in Canada a home is expected to have heating just as it has windows, that is not the case down there.

27th Aug 2016, 17:52
Strangely I was in Melbourne yesterday, In fact I was taking some photographs, this is the REAL and original Melbourne in Derbyshire that gave you a name..

(https://flic.kr/p/Lxmzn9)Melbourne Church and pond (https://flic.kr/p/Lxmzn9) by Tony Taylor (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/), on Flickr

A little history



Metro man
28th Aug 2016, 04:17
Left to spend 3 months in Darwin

Are there any women in Darwin without tattoos ?

28th Aug 2016, 04:41
Amazing how everyone knows Melbourne and Sydney, but they're hard pressed to name another state capital or major city in Australia.

I always equate Sydney to London - an old city that relies on the tourism of a few well known landmarks to appear great. The traffic system sucks, housing is astronomically priced, and the public transport system is struggling.
Melbourne on the other hand is like Manchester, a latecomer who claims to be trendy and wants to be the new top dog. Like the current top dog it has a history but has reinvented itself. Lots of new buildings and trendy places to eat and drink but under the facade the structure is still the old ways.

28th Aug 2016, 04:50
Perth is probably the best city in Aus. It's just too far away from everywhere else.

28th Aug 2016, 04:54
As is sometimes said about Australia.

28th Aug 2016, 04:56
We like it that way! :ok:

As do the people in Perth probably.

28th Aug 2016, 07:33
Regrettably, my city...City of Gold Coast is inundated ith Ex Melbourne people....typically they f&*ked a lot up, and then drone on and on about how much better Melbourne is....GO BACK!!!

I don't much care for the place...so very very long ago I was last in Melbourne...no reason...

28th Aug 2016, 08:15
Just ask my mate on the south coast of NSW where so many of them like to take their recreational leave.
His comments on them are unprintable here.
On my twice-yearly business visits to Melbourne, I'd found the denizens to be, generally, the most friendly and hospitable people.
Strange, that.

28th Aug 2016, 08:33
My mate Linda was just there with her daughters for a friends wedding.....I'll ask her what she thought....

28th Aug 2016, 10:07
The only people that seem to complain about our weather in Hobart are Melbournians. Yes its 1 or 2 degrees warmer in Melb but it seems to rain a lot more there. And my hobby is sailing. I cant stand sailing on Port Philip Bay and once you are out the heads you are in stomach churning bass strait! Sydney on the other hand is great for sailing.

28th Aug 2016, 11:05
Could not agree more Chris.
Sydney is the spiritual home of Australian sailing.
Skiffs, rum races, Friday nights and sails on the harbour as the sun goes down.

Gertrude the Wombat
28th Aug 2016, 12:21
Perth is probably the best city in Aus. It's just too far away from everywhere else.
Five hours by 747 from civilisation - whether that's Sydney or Singapore is up to you, the distance is about the same.

But Perth does have one unique attraction, which is almost worth the detour if you're travelling round Oz for a while anyway and someone else is playing the plane fare - the quokkas on Rotto. (Which is one of those airstrips which has three wind socks, because the winds at each end and in the middle are quite often different.)

Gertrude the Wombat
28th Aug 2016, 12:22
We like it that way! http://cdn.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

As do the people in Perth probably.
Some, no doubt. But I've known others re-emigrate back to the UK after a few years of getting bored out of their skulls in Perth.

28th Aug 2016, 13:24
The hospitality industry (and others) in Perth have had to take another look at their price-lists since the mining industry downturn.
The price-gouging over there was breathtaking.
They did themselves no favours by allowing that to happen.

It's interesting that the WA Tourist Bureau have embraced the slogan...
"Just another day in Western Australia."
Umm .. Yup.