Boeing grey

[Driver 170]

Well guys its time to show of my cockpit build. Its not finished yet, still requires a few touch ups before it can leave my hangar !!!

This is my Ryanair 737 800 Project.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af345/filthybeats1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_15.jpeg (http://s1022.photobucket.com/user/filthybeats1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_15.jpeg.html)
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http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af345/filthybeats1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_9.jpeg (http://s1022.photobucket.com/user/filthybeats1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_9.jpeg.html)

[AeroSpark]

That looks amazing. What sim are you running on it, FSX?

[Hotel Tango]

Very very nice, but best keep it in a hangar rather than on a hanger! ;)

[Driver 170]

Thats better haha, corrected!

I'm using P3D V3.3

[Groundloop]

What are you going to us it for? Commercial or private?

[Driver 170]

Private, friends and family really! Need to show off to the missys on some touch and go's haha

[Chesty Morgan]

Looks good but to really finish it off you'll need to add in a few crumbs of food, the odd pube and 100 years of fluff and detritus.

[Groundloop]

Private, friends and family really! Need to show off to the missys on some touch and go's haha

Then you should not be using Prepare3D:-

"Prepar3D is not to be used, offered, sold or distributed through markets or channels for use as a personal/consumer entertainment product."

[Driver 170]

Well you better tell that to another 3 million P3D users who use it at home also.

I think LM knows about how P3D is getting used or they wouldn't bring out updates and hot fixes to make it compatible for home users ie PMDG, addons like Active sky next.

Look an not some kid flying about doing cartwheels in the air, i'm a cockpit builder and my intent is to have a more immersive environment to train myself on the 737 800.

If you feel I'm violating rules why don't you take your policing to Lockheed martin and let them know about this situation of how i'm misusing P3D.

Regards

[Groundloop]

But you had to tick the box that says "I accept the terms and conditions in the above contract.". If so, you committed fraud.

I know I am being pedantic and thousands of users have done this but it worries me how so many people these days think that they are exempt from the law because the law happens to be inconvenient for them. Where do you draw the line?

[25F]

Just because a contract or licence agreement says something, it doesn't make it necessarily legal or enforceable. Personally I think that if I have bought something then I have the right to do with it more or less as I please.

But this of course is not a "thing" - it's a copyrighted work. Now of course you can put licence restrictions in place on copyrighted work - that is how the system works, more or less. Trying to restrict the rights of the purchaser is rather popular - particularly with American corporations.

The only way to actually *test* these licence restrictions is in the courts - and the extent to which the courts will side with the copyright holder rather than the purchaser depends largely on where those courts are.

For example, many software companies have tried to prevent the sale of "second-hand" software. Courts in the EU, particularly in Germany, have mostly sided with the consumer:
https://www.usedsoft.com/en/used-software/legal-situation/
while in the US it tends to go the other way.

[Groundloop]

Just because a contract or licence agreement says something, it doesn't make it necessarily legal or enforceable. Personally I think that if I have bought something then I have the right to do with it more or less as I please.

But to buy it you have to tick the box saying you have accepted the terms of the contract. How would making a fraudulent statement like this help you in court?

[25F]

Well exactly - you have to tick the box in order to buy it. As it's not negotiable it is arguable that it has little strength. And a court can decide that it is not a reasonable condition. There is some discussion of these points here:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/15/i-read-all-the-small-print-on-the-internet

[parabellum]

Sounds like the vendors of this software are defending their product liability by trying to minimise the chance of the software being used outside their, (LM's), terms and conditions by unqualified people that could lead to death or injury, a long stretch, I know, but product liability and legal liability are bottomless pots of gold to the litigious!

[WindSheer]

It'll probably be for tax reasons that the software is deemed educational.

I am sure they have no objections to millions of people purchasing and using at home.

And 25F, you seriously need to get out more!!

[25F]

@WindSheer - dunno about that, I was half way up a mountain last weekend. But the day job is writing software and as a result I have ended up learning about copyright and software licensing.

Regarding the licence in question, there's a hilarious refusal to clarify here:

A clarification from the prepar3d team. (http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?246948-A-clarification-from-the-prepar3d-team)

which you *might* wish to interpret as "just buy it and use it, stop pestering us". As one person on that forum puts it:
''The team has done everything but hit enthusiasts over the head with a hammer with regard to product availability and use without saying things they cannot say. The wise enthusiast would realize that and drop the subject entirely so that the "powers that be" are not annoyed and forced to take action.''

Another poster has also (almost certainly) correctly identified the reason for the clause - that when LM purchased the code from Microsoft it was part of the terms. And the reason for that is of course that MS didn't want LM's product competing with their own "consumer" flight sim(s).

[AndoniP]

I'd say they wouldn't have much competition now as Microsoft Flight was utter crap in comparison to FSX and P3D.

I'd also say their quote:
To be clear, using the application at home is not the issue. You can use the simulation at home, school or office.is pretty clear.

Whatever the case may be, well played Driver 170, a very nice sim build.