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KenV
15th Aug 2016, 21:09
.....instead of Team UK at the Rio Olympics? Is the UK fielding multiple teams and Team GB is but one?

charliegolf
15th Aug 2016, 21:12
Ken, a quick look at the medal table will confirm that there is absolutely NOTHING up with Team GB!:ok:

More seriously, there is no team called 'Team UK' at the Olympics- always Great Britain. Just a weirdy tradition.

CG

engineer(retard)
15th Aug 2016, 22:23
Who, What, Why: Why is it Team GB, not Team UK? - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37058920)

racedo
15th Aug 2016, 23:34
Can't believe we have spent in excess of £1 Billion on the Athletes in the last 18 years................ talk about a gravy train.

TURIN
15th Aug 2016, 23:43
Bloody curmudgeon!!!

Tankertrashnav
16th Aug 2016, 00:17
Similarly, the once universal term £Sterling has all but disappeared, to be replaced by GBP, possibly due to the fact that most "non British" keyboards do not have a £ symbol.

Can't believe we have spent in excess of £1 Billion on the Athletes in the last 18 years................ talk about a gravy train.

Panis et circenses racedo!

RedhillPhil
16th Aug 2016, 00:26
There's a world cup for football. The UK gets divided into England, N.Ireland, Scotland and Wales teams. Why isn't there a United Kingdom football team?
....and shouldn't Team G.B. be the Great Britain Team?

ChrisJ800
16th Aug 2016, 02:47
And the English cricket team seems to have plenty of Welsh in it. And isnt there an Irish skipper for the T20 English team?

ORAC
16th Aug 2016, 07:41
There's a world cup for football. The UK gets divided into England, N.Ireland, Scotland and Wales teams. Why isn't there a United Kingdom football team?

There is a GB team - for the Olympics. But even that was a struggle to get the Scots/Welsh and NI FAs to agree to; the fear being that FIFA and UEFA would insist of a single national quota for the European Cup, World Cup, Champions League etc - meaning they'd lose the guaranteed participation - a substantial financial and domestic hit.

You think the SNP would wear it?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_Olympic_football_team

engineer(retard)
16th Aug 2016, 07:53
Chris, there's a good reason for Welsh in our cricket team:

Home page | England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) - The Official Website of the ECB (http://www.ecb.co.uk)

I've no problem with money being spent on sports development, it reduces the potential numbers of overweight, wheezing left wing curmudgeons

charliegolf
16th Aug 2016, 09:39
Can't believe we have spent in excess of £1 Billion on the Athletes in the last 18 years................ talk about a gravy train.

Yeah, too right, 'specially when we coulda easily bought another destroyer or two that don't work for that money. :ok:

CG

Tankertrashnav
16th Aug 2016, 11:11
I've no problem with money being spent on sports development, it reduces the potential numbers of overweight, wheezing left wing curmudgeons


The idea that spending £1 billion on elite sport will somehow trickle down to grass roots level and turn our nation of fatties into lithe, fit athletes isn't borne out by the facts. Leaving aside the private sector, there has probably never been a time when games were so neglected in schools, with playing fields being sold off and after school sporting activities reduced as fewer and fewer teachers are willing or able to put the time in to supervise them. We moan about money in top level football, but at least that is money generated within the game itself, mainly from lucrative TV deals, and doesn't come from lottery funding at the expense of many other worthy causes. Looking at it dispassionately, do we really think that £1m a medal is a good use of scarce resources just for a short lived feel-good factor once every four years?

engineer(retard)
16th Aug 2016, 11:15
Yet with such poor facilities and lazy people we have somehow produced a result that has catapulted a relatively small nation to 2nd in the Olympic medal table. I think that is a fact that is easily verifiable.

charliegolf
16th Aug 2016, 11:32
Looking at it dispassionately, do we really think that £1m a medal is a good use of scarce resources just for a short lived feel-good factor once every four years?

In comparison to the outputs and measurable successes of the Welsh Assembly, I'd have to say yes. Or the Welsh and English schools regulators who spend God knows (£13m in Wales) how much on what?

CG

Peter-RB
16th Aug 2016, 11:42
Just to throw another "Hat in the Ring " so to speak,

Why do Professional sports men and woman also get a place in the Games.??...I always had the thought it was for "Amateurs" to have the chance to reach the top flight..;)

Trossie
16th Aug 2016, 12:24
Can't believe we have spent in excess of £1 Billion on the Athletes in the last 18 years................ talk about a gravy train.

That's about threepence (in modern money) per taxpayer per day. Just pay up and stop being such a Scrooge!

If you want to talk about 'gravy trains' then that EU Parliament and many of those other 'wee pretendy parliaments' are real gravy trains because we have to cough up a lot more for them and most of those politicians involved* could never achieve what those athletes have achieved.

* We have had at least one politicians in our real Parliament that has been a gold medal Olympian.

Just enjoy the Games!

mickjoebill
16th Aug 2016, 12:43
Anna Meares questions how the British cycling team got so good http://dailym.ai/2b0pvgi

Indeed, questions are being asked of the British cycle team, why are they doing so well?

Mickjoebill

Una Due Tfc
16th Aug 2016, 12:55
Significant over achievement in cycling in particular will raise a stink because of how dirty the sport is.

Look at Froome, dominates a sport that everyone knows a significant number of competitors have been dirty in the past. Scientific evidence has been put forward of his incredible lung capacity, and there's still....
He'll only get the full recognition a real champion deserves if his samples are still passing 10 years after he retires.

G-CPTN
16th Aug 2016, 13:04
'Collapse' of the GB Cycling team due to detection of drugs would have a far greater impact than the Russian affair.

Martin the Martian
16th Aug 2016, 13:18
Or perhaps it is down to the money being made available from the national lottery, and the way it is being used, that Team GB are doing well? And after the last couple of months, with Brexit, political issues etc, it is nice to turn on the telly and see some good news for a change.

wiggy
16th Aug 2016, 13:39
Indeed, questions are being asked of the British cycle team, why are they doing so well?

Same could be asked of UK rowing, or indeed looking at the medal tally UK sport in general, and the answer would probably be because as "M the M" has mentioned the lottery has poured megabucks into Uk sport post Atlanta.

As for specifically the track cycling team ( our effort on the road was very average) a few ideas - firstly the structure of competion is a bit like swimming, where a few world beating individuals can compete in several events ( e.g. Laura Trott, Jason Kenny) and up the team medal tally (cf. Phelps and the US swimming team).

Then we're back to lottery money (again - velodromes, top end track bikes, windtunnel time don't come cheap)
A targetted development scheme.
The philosophy of marginal gains/aka attention to detail (see footnote).
Taking the lead in employing people such as shrinks, data specialists, dieticians.
Nicking a hard as nails coach off the Aussies (who BTW fell foul of political correctness).
Oh yes, Money, again, lots of it.

Now other nations can either go "oh yeah", and wink or they can try doing much the same and level the field...the clever ones are looking at what "team GB" do and learning fast so it will happen, and when it does it will be back to normal service, so enjoy it whilst it last.

(FWIW if you look at the parallels with road cycling some of the the "older" continental teams were utterly aghast and disapproving at the level of organisation that Sky brought to the pro tour. It would appear some of the old school would rather train on Gitanes, lose the race and then claim it's all down to doping than actually change their systems).

yellowtriumph
16th Aug 2016, 13:45
I think it's good value for money, the feel good factor that circulates around the country is well worth it. My wife and I have attended the anniversary games in London very year since 2012 so it's had an effect on us.

wiggy
16th Aug 2016, 16:23
For those that aren't aware of it some meat to the bones about the funding of UK sport...:

UK Sport targets 'best away Olympics' and 'better than London Paralympics' | UK Sport (http://www.uksport.gov.uk/news/2016/07/14/medal-target-announcement)

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/15/brutal-but-effective-why-team-gb-is-winning-so-many-olympic-medals

The funding is tied Olympic medals which often means the various UK sports bodies no longer regard events such as the World's as high priority (bit of a shame) and will aim to peak just the once, every 4 years.

As for Anna Meares comments (link in earlier post):

1.Having read them in full from somewhere other than the Mail I think they can also be read as her saying "Oh, b***er, how the ***** hell do they do that?", rather than "nudge, nudge, win, wink". In any event I hope she has a long and happy retirement.

2. In answer to her comment/question some think the Aussie cycling team attempted to peak twice this year, for both the World's and the Olympics, and it hasn't really worked (they did well at the World's). OTOH the GB team were aiming only at Rio, and performed relatively poorly (for them) at the World's.

charliegolf
16th Aug 2016, 22:32
Anna Meares questions how the British cycling team got so good Australian cyclist Anna Meares questions how the British team at Rio got so good | Daily Mail Online (http://dailym.ai/2b0pvgi)

Indeed, questions are being asked of the British cycle team, why are they doing so well?


Meares made an unambiguous rejection of any suggestion of cheating on Twitter.

Other losers (Froggies et al) are, well, losers.

parabellum
17th Aug 2016, 00:06
Saw the Anna Mears interview on Australian TV yesterday. A very erudite, intelligent and grounded lady. I'm a Brit, living in Australia and didn't detect the slightest hint that she thought the British cyclists might have cheated. It is, after all, a ridiculous suggestion, given the drug monitoring procedures in force today.

rjtjrt
17th Aug 2016, 00:58
Team GB/UK are doing really well.
Congratulations to them - they deserve their success and the enjoyment that comes with it.
Well done.

Akrotiri71
17th Aug 2016, 09:12
A lot of financial investment, and a lot more hard graft!!

Pre Atlanta, did any other country concern themselves with, "Why is Team GB so shit?"
(No more than 9 gold medals won in any one olymics since Antwerp in 1920. And GB only got 5 golds in Moscow 1980 coz the Yanks boycotted it).

No, everyone scoffed at us for performing poorly, & walked off with their medal hauls.

The worm has turned. Suck it up!!

G-CPTN
17th Aug 2016, 09:44
Rio 2016: Does John Major deserve credit for Team GB's success (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37085873)?

National Lottery gave UK sports a massive funding boost – £4.4 billion to date (http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/15/the-reason-for-team-gbs-sensational-sunday-at-rio-olympics-comes-from-an-unlikely-source-6068467/).

Peter-RB
17th Aug 2016, 10:06
Its a good job the Team GB are doing well, otherwise the Beeb would have no items to flood the screens with, nice recirculating holiday for all the News reporters....still the rest of the world is doing nothing until after the Olympics have finished...

then we should start to see again whats happened in the Outside World..! ;)

Tankertrashnav
17th Aug 2016, 11:25
Every time I turn my TV on I seem to see a load of people hurtling round a cycle track. When I go to Radio 4 instead its yet another programme showcasing the latest "comic talent" at the Edinburgh Fringe. Ah well - it will soon be all over.

wiggy
17th Aug 2016, 11:36
48 hours ago, from the DM article questioning GB cycling that was kindly thrown into this thread a few posts back:

German cyclist Kristina Vogel called them (British Cycling Team) 'very questionable'.
... 'I don't want to accuse anyone of anything but it is all very questionable'.


Fast forward to last night:

German Kristina Vogel won her second career gold medal, adding the individual sprint to her team sprint title from London. Vogel defeated Great Britain's Rebecca James in two straight heats, throwing her bike so hard in the second race she broke the saddle off her bike.

Anything to say this morning Kristina...?

Martin the Martian
17th Aug 2016, 12:38
To be honest, I can see why the training/funding is aimed at Olympic participation. It gets a lot more coverage than any individual world championships or tournament, even the World Cup.

Oh, there's a thought. We are doing well in the Olympics, the Rugby union home teams are doing well, England is doing well in the cricket (okay, so they drew against Pakistan, but these days a draw feels like a defeat), and the football teams are doing, um, well, pretty crap. And out of them all, who gets paid more?

Hempy
17th Aug 2016, 13:40
Further to Anna Mears, via Twitter

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k144/h3mpy/D671D13C-9F2E-4222-BC2F-64F4C0A5376F_zps2jay7pxm.jpg

Curious Pax
17th Aug 2016, 14:44
Oh, there's a thought. We are doing well in the Olympics, the Rugby union home teams are doing well, England is doing well in the cricket (okay, so they drew against Pakistan, but these days a draw feels like a defeat), and the football teams are doing, um, well, pretty crap. And out of them all, who gets paid more?

I suspect you answered your own question Martin. In football a lot of talented teenagers start getting megabucks (by comparison with the national average wage) before they even appear in the first team at their Premier League club. In most other sports you need to have achieved something before the cash starts rolling in, so the hunger for improvement lasts longer.

Arsene Wenger has instructed his scouts to pay more attention to the lower leagues as a way of trying to find more hungry talent there, so clearly recognizes the issue.

Hempy
17th Aug 2016, 15:02
Isn't it the English Premier League?

Warmair
17th Aug 2016, 16:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgv2ZO94O7c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgv2ZO94O7c)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu_0n-xbL40&app=desktop


http://asia.eurosport.com/equestrian-dressage/rio/2016/olympics-rio-2016-charlotte-dujardin-retains-individual-dressage-title-for-gb-with-incredible-ride_sto5724115/story.shtml (http://asia.eurosport.com/equestrian-dressage/rio/2016/olympics-rio-2016-charlotte-dujardin-retains-individual-dressage-title-for-gb-with-incredible-ride_sto5724115/story.shtml)

ORAC
17th Aug 2016, 19:15
Oops......

Europe?s top Olympic official arrested in Rio: report ? POLITICO (http://www.politico.eu/article/europes-top-olympic-official-arrested-in-rio-report/)

wiggy
17th Aug 2016, 19:32
What with this and the swimmers and the "were they mugged or not" story the Rio police have had a busy day.

Given this tickets story has been circulating for a few days I'm surprised this official was still in town....perhaps he thought as a wheel in the IOC he was above it all.....

Another account here:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/17/olympic-committee-ireland-pat-hickey-arrest-tickets

sitigeltfel
17th Aug 2016, 20:00
A possible explanation for team GB success could be, now that the drug testing regime is so strict, athletes from clean countries have a better chance of winning a medal because the cheats have been banned or frightened off.

parabellum
17th Aug 2016, 23:34
According to a news report just now, here in Oz, the IOC official is back in the USA already.

Tankertrashnav
17th Aug 2016, 23:43
A possible explanation for team GB success could be, now that the drug testing regime is so strict, athletes from clean countries have a better chance of winning a medal because the cheats have been banned or frightened off.

You may be right. I'm not sure Sophie Hitchon would have won her bronze in the hammer if the Russian "ladies" had been allowed to compete. You know, the ones with stubbly chins and suspicious bulges in their shorts ;)

racedo
18th Aug 2016, 00:13
A possible explanation for team GB success could be, now that the drug testing regime is so strict, athletes from clean countries have a better chance of winning a medal because the cheats have been banned or frightened off.

More likely it is the funding, hope to hell it is as otherwise it is wasted.

Selection plus providing an income for Athletes meaning they can focus on training rather than needing to work and then train outside of this. No need to find sponsors or chase prize money to survive.

Additionally the provision of new facilities will always help.

Others will invest to catch up which means more money and the cycle continues.

I doubt drug testing regime makes a huge difference............... it is the recovery post exertion that is the key.

wiggy
18th Aug 2016, 08:05
According to a news report just now, here in Oz, the IOC official is back in the USA already.

If they did really report that it sounds like they have accidentally conflated two stories. There's comment over on the "Rio, no sport" thread.

sitigeltfel
18th Aug 2016, 08:12
You may be right. I'm not sure Sophie Hitchon would have won her bronze in the hammer if the Russian "ladies" had been allowed to compete. You know, the ones with stubbly chins and suspicious bulges in their shorts ;)

http://i66.tinypic.com/168elmq.jpg

;)

VP959
18th Aug 2016, 11:19
More likely it is the funding, hope to hell it is as otherwise it is wasted.

Selection plus providing an income for Athletes meaning they can focus on training rather than needing to work and then train outside of this. No need to find sponsors or chase prize money to survive.

Additionally the provision of new facilities will always help.

Others will invest to catch up which means more money and the cycle continues.

I doubt drug testing regime makes a huge difference............... it is the recovery post exertion that is the key.
I'm pretty sure this is spot on. Just having the freedom that the funding has provided to be able to train and focus on their sport, rather than try and fit training in around making a living, has to relieve athletes of a lot of stress, as well as allow them the time they need to train. The provision of world-class facilities and coaching has also made a significant difference, I expect.

I'm getting damned annoyed at the thinly-veiled assertions of cheating that some other athletes have made. Some of the remarks have not been in the spirit of Olympic sportsmanship, in my view. Knowing a little about the testing side of things, from 2012, I would guess that the UK testing regime is probably about as tough as it gets, so I'm 100% sure we have no cheats in our team.

I should add that I'm not a sports fan, but Team GB's performance at Rio has got me checking the results every morning. They are doing damned well, and their success is having a generally uplifting effect on public morale here, even amongst those who were in despair after the political upheavals of the past couple of months.

Dan_Brown
18th Aug 2016, 12:32
Whinging Australians.

They are having a moan, along with others about GB's success. They seem to forget conveniently, they only have about 18 million individuals. GB getting onto 3 times that amount. So unless the Australians think they are superior beings, then even someone with half a brain would say the chances of GB beating most of the others, would be a no brainer.

Australian sportsmanship has never been exactly over the top IIRC.

Hempy
18th Aug 2016, 12:54
Winging (sic) Australians.

They are having a moan, along with others about GB's success. They seem to forget conveniently, they only have about 18 million individuals. GB getting onto 3 times that amount. So unless the Australians think they are superior beings, then even someone with half a brain would say the chances of GB beating most of the others, would be a no brainer.

Australian sportsmanship has never been exactly over the top IIRC

wtf are you on about? Have half a dram, a bit of a lie down, and then re-read the thread. You may gain a little more comprehension :ok:

Trossie
19th Aug 2016, 09:48
Is Australia taking part in the Olympics?

Oh yes, I see them somewhere down the list there.

I'll have a whole dram to toast the latest Team GB successes!

wiggy
19th Aug 2016, 10:50
It's nice that we're near the top of the table but it's what Hempy said.

Interesting that all this seemed to start when a well known British rag blew their dog whistle (again) by selectively quoting from an interview with an Australian female track cyclist.

TSR2
19th Aug 2016, 12:46
Excellent performance by Team GB but I would have thought that some of the sponsor money would have gone on advice on which way up the Union Flag is flown. The number of instances on which the flag is displayed upside down by competitors and general public is embarrasing.

maliyahsdad2
19th Aug 2016, 12:52
As long as the flag is flown correctly when used officially then its not really an issue. Just because some numbnuts decided to have it offset (so the St Patricks Cross didn't out rank the St Andrews cross) years ago, it isn't a big deal, same as those "erm it's not the Union Jack" bores.

Private jet
20th Aug 2016, 16:37
As per usual the BBC have decided that everyone is suddenly interested in obscure sports they would never otherwise watch and puts them on as many channels as possible for as long as possible with the odd break for that bastion of "quality drama" Eastenders....
As for the Olympic event itself I'm one of those people that just doesn't "get it", never have and never will. £5.5 million a medal apparently, but you're deemed a killjoy if you are critical of that because its Lottery money and sport is a branch of "showbiz" in this context and that makes it alright. What a strange way to think.

VP959
20th Aug 2016, 16:48
I'll admit to being a bit annoyed, as a person who rarely, if ever, watches sport on TV, to have serious viewing, like the news, disrupted by the the Olympics.

However, last night I switched channels to watch the ten O'clock news and found myself watching the ladies hockey final, that was being allowed to over-run on BBC1. I'm not the slightest bit interested in hockey, but I have to say that, after my initial annoyance, I found myself watching it intently.

It really was a riveting game, one that I caught up with about 15 minutes from the end, with Team GB down, 2 -3 against the Netherlands. Watching them pull back to 3 - 3 and then the penalty shoot out that determined the result had me, a non-sports person, right on the edge of my chair, willing Team GB on.

In comparison, the delayed news was an anti-climax, so I'm quite prepared to put up with a bit of disruption to my normal viewing if it results in moments like that final last night.

EGLD
20th Aug 2016, 17:05
Significant over achievement in cycling in particular will raise a stink because of how dirty the sport is.

Look at Froome, dominates a sport that everyone knows a significant number of competitors have been dirty in the past. Scientific evidence has been put forward of his incredible lung capacity, and there's still....
He'll only get the full recognition a real champion deserves if his samples are still passing 10 years after he retires.

Who cares about South Africa's Chris Froome

Only the Lycra loonies in their XXXXL Team Sky outfits

yellowtriumph
20th Aug 2016, 19:15
I'll admit to being a bit annoyed, as a person who rarely, if ever, watches sport on TV, to have serious viewing, like the news, disrupted by the the Olympics.

However, last night I switched channels to watch the ten O'clock news and found myself watching the ladies hockey final, that was being allowed to over-run on BBC1. I'm not the slightest bit interested in hockey, but I have to say that, after my initial annoyance, I found myself watching it intently.

It really was a riveting game, one that I caught up with about 15 minutes from the end, with Team GB down, 2 -3 against the Netherlands. Watching them pull back to 3 - 3 and then the penalty shoot out that determined the result had me, a non-sports person, right on the edge of my chair, willing Team GB on.

In comparison, the delayed news was an anti-climax, so I'm quite prepared to put up with a bit of disruption to my normal viewing if it results in moments like that final last night.

Other television news channels, including from the BBC, are available around the clock.

NRU74
20th Aug 2016, 20:04
I'm a sport hater, I've tried to avoid playing and/or watching sport all my life (had to play and pretend to be keen as an Officer Cadet but as soon as I was commissioned I refused to join in) and I was pi$$ed off that BBC 1 and 4 have had it on non stop........but....I have to concede it's given a lot of pleasure to the public and the fact that Team GB have done well means I've taken off my Mr Grumpy face for at least the next week.

G-CPTN
20th Aug 2016, 20:16
BBC are having difficulty filling the diving slot (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/36691447) this evening.

ORAC
21st Aug 2016, 05:49
So team GB pass their London medal total.

I believe this is the first time a nation has won more medals at the next games after their home Olympics.

Peter-RB
22nd Aug 2016, 07:06
Perhaps now its all over, we may get the fully stint of daily "Proper News" that has an baring on normal life for Non Olympians..eh..!

What really is the point of seeing Mo racing and winning then blubbing about his kids, then three minutes later on the so-called late evening News we see the very same blubbing for 60% of the same channel news BBC , then we hear that 90% of all BBC news readers are coming home from the South American sojourn..

Bad programme management BBC..:= Now watching more of RT and Euro-news plus the US thingy..!! ;)

wiggy
22nd Aug 2016, 08:20
You do know that (funds permitting) the Paralympics start in a couple of week...I'm sure BBC news will give that fairly extensive coverage.......

Trossie
22nd Aug 2016, 11:30
Who cares about South Africa's Chris FroomeYou mean "... Kenya's Chris Froom."

yellowtriumph
22nd Aug 2016, 12:42
Perhaps now its all over, we may get the fully stint of daily "Proper News" that has an baring on normal life for Non Olympians..eh..!

What really is the point of seeing Mo racing and winning then blubbing about his kids, then three minutes later on the so-called late evening News we see the very same blubbing for 60% of the same channel news BBC , then we hear that 90% of all BBC news readers are coming home from the South American sojourn..

Bad programme management BBC..:= Now watching more of RT and Euro-news plus the US thingy..!! ;)


Why did you not simply watch the television news on the other domestic television channels available in the UK?


Can you name just one BBC news reader who is coming home from South America? Or are you confusing commentator with pundit with news reader?

Espada III
22nd Aug 2016, 12:45
You do know that (funds permitting) the Paralympics start in a couple of week...I'm sure BBC news will give that fairly extensive coverage.......

Channel 4 actually. I'm looking forward to it.

hiflymk3
22nd Aug 2016, 12:48
Our rowing team were oarsome.

57mm
22nd Aug 2016, 12:57
Well done Team GB. Ahead of China in the medals table, which is an outstanding result. Wonder what kind of reception the Chinese team will get on their RTB....first Hinckley Point and now this; large loss of face, so important to the Orientals.

Martin the Martian
22nd Aug 2016, 14:12
Ah well a JB thread wouldn't be complete without some whinging about the BBC. Still, top of the news this morning is the Labour party leadership election, so I'm sure everyone is happy with normal news, dull, depressing and boring though it is, rather than watching some sportsperson at the top of their game winning the Olympics and giving us something happy to watch.

LordGrumpy
22nd Aug 2016, 16:48
All well and good.
No wheelbarrow or egg and spoon race!

NutLoose
22nd Aug 2016, 16:58
This is the cr*p that annoys me

No Cap On Honours For Team GB's Rio Olympics Heroes (http://news.sky.com/story/no-cap-on-honours-for-team-gbs-rio-olympics-heroes-10547546)

Mo Farah, who was given a CBE after his London 2012 success, has admitted he would be thrilled to receive a knighthood after his "double double" triumph in Rio

WTF we throw money at them to succeed, then they expect knighthoods for running a race.

Personally I would award them to the cleaners that have spent 40 years tirelessly cleaning public toilets and those staff that toil away behind the scenes to make things happen, local postmen that serve their communities for 40 odd years etc, rather than a bunch over overpaid and sponsored supposed amateur sportsman.

wiggy
22nd Aug 2016, 17:20
WTF we throw money at them to succeed, then they expect knighthoods for running a race.

I've heard of athletes being thrilled etc, but I've not heard of any going around demanding or expecting honours...I suspect this headline is much much more down to the recent tradition of our glorious politicians jumping the post Olympics feel good bandwagon.

supposed amateur sportsman.

Supposed by who in this day and age?

There's no longer a requirement in most (?any) sport to be an amateur to compete at the Olympics and to be fair plenty of GB athletes have made the point in countless TV interviews over the last to weeks that lottery funding has allowed them to train full time.

G-CPTN
22nd Aug 2016, 17:26
A problem with 'amateur' sportsmen (and women) is that it can restrict participants to those with money (independent means or from well-healed families).
This also applies to other forms of participation events such as motor racing.

There is, though, a difficulty in deciding who should be subsidised (by non-commercial sponsorship) - do you only support those who would succeed anyway?

How much sponsorship does Tom Daley receive from non-commercial sources?

racedo
22nd Aug 2016, 20:01
There's no longer a requirement in most (?any) sport to be an amateur to compete at the Olympics and to be fair plenty of GB athletes have made the point in countless TV interviews over the last to weeks that lottery funding has allowed them to train full time.

Which really means ................... stop giving us £500 million we want until the next Olympics and there may be no more medals.

G-CPTN
22nd Aug 2016, 20:09
It seems that several high profile medal winners will not be at the Tokyo Olympics.

Whether there are sufficiently 'qualified' successors to take their places remains to be seen.

G0ULI
23rd Aug 2016, 03:11
So after a Brexit vote, Britain is second only to the USA. That's showing the World that we are back in our rightful place at the head of the top table.

Well done to all the athletes, although I suspect we might have come third if we had allowed the Russians to field a full team.

Based on medals per head of population though, the UK came top. Just goes to show we can be the best in the World when we put the money up and support something properly.

Krystal n chips
23rd Aug 2016, 06:56
" So after a Brexit vote, Britain is second only to the USA. That's showing the World that we are back in our rightful place at the head of the top table" .

That's a wonderful piece of naļve jingoism worthy of the Mail and Excess combined.

All you have to do now is demonstrate how winning medals benefits the wider economy and employment prospects for the whole of the UK.....along with why the rest of the world should feel inclined to suddenly beat a path to our shores for those super trade deals which will be our, fictitious at best, "salvation".

On the other hand, this success will generate more repeats for the Beeb than "The Great Escape", " The Shawshank Redemption" and that goal put together.... in fact, it's already begun.

Last nights BBC "Mindless Today", after the mandatory football of course, duly showed a rapt, to their way of thinking that is, a nice little compilation of the "highlights".....bless them.....followed a mere 10mins, give or take after, by, erm, a very similar compilation at the start of "The One Show".

engineer(retard)
23rd Aug 2016, 07:31
Why does he have to demonstrate a benefit to the wider economy and employment prospects for the whole UK. Are you also in favour of demolishing art colleges and museums, burn down the theatres? Maybe you are an uber capitalist that requires any venture to turn a profit?

ORAC
23rd Aug 2016, 07:37
Based on medals per head of population though, the UK came top Incorrect.

Fiji won the rugby gold medal, population 881K. UK population is 64 million. To beat them per head the UK would have needed to win 73 medals. And Fiji don't even make the top 1o, top are Grenada and the Bahamas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/21/rio-2016-alternate-medal-table-how-countries-rank-when-we-adjust/

wiggy
23rd Aug 2016, 07:44
Sorry to be grumpy but is there any chance we could try avoiding turning yet another thread into a place to debate the pros and cons of Brexit?

KelvinD
23rd Aug 2016, 08:04
I heard a few interviews on the radio yesterday with various GB Sports honchos. When asked why the success, they always went on about the funding from National Lottery, with the odd allusion to their own 'brilliant/clever' management etc. I couldn't help thinking it might have been nice to hear them say something like "..and the athletes pulled their tripes out preparing for this and consequently did well.."
I can't help wondering about this Mo Farrah fetish the BBC has. He won 2 medals. So what? So did others. Look at the Trott/Kenny pair. And how about Max Whitlock? He came away with 2 gold and 1 bronze.

wiggy
23rd Aug 2016, 08:22
Kelvin, agreed.

I think the BBC/MF love in is down to the fact that he's certainly good for a quote and ticks a lot of the BBCs desirable criteria boxes. I do sometimes think as a result there's been a reluctance by some to ask MF potentially awkward questions (by comparison there's the Phil Jones/Lynsey Sharp post 800m final interview).......I do hope it all doesn't come unraveled in the coming years.

On the other had my nomination for the most under reported GB medal winner goes to Daniel Goodfellow...then again maybe he prefers the quiet life and isn't looking to supplement his income by appearing on strictly whatever.

ORAC
23rd Aug 2016, 08:31
So who got the most medals?

Was it the EU, or the Brtish Empire?

EU tops Olympic medal table! (http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-tops-olympic-medal-table-european-parliament-rio-olympics-2016/)

Hempy
23rd Aug 2016, 11:06
Britain has an Empire?

yellowtriumph
23rd Aug 2016, 12:39
I don't think 'Mo' is touting for a knighthood. He was asked a trackside question by Phil whatshisname not long after the race actually finished as to how he would react if he was awarded a knighthood. It was the commentators 'bigging it up' including Steve Cram, not 'Mo'. It was a silly thing for them to do. Naturally he said words to the effect that he would be honoured/pleased, what would you expect him to say. Let's give him a break.

G-CPTN
23rd Aug 2016, 13:20
MP Heather Wheeler sparks Twitter backlash with British Empire post (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-37163416).

yellowtriumph
23rd Aug 2016, 17:05
I see my old neighbour was the captain of the BA flight bringing the team back from Rio. I'm beaming with reflected glory and it doesn't get much more tenuous than that!

Tankertrashnav
23rd Aug 2016, 22:21
Britain has an Empire?

Well, sort of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories

ORAC
23rd Aug 2016, 22:30
Of course Britain has an Empire. Time, as a dimension, is just a variable. The Empire is there, you just can't access it.

Abraham Zapruder
25th Aug 2016, 21:23
I always thought these were "Team GB"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47591000/jpg/_47591424_009069210-1.jpg

ORAC
26th Aug 2016, 06:16
Well most of them did do a runner - and the rest ended up for the high jump......

Trossie
26th Aug 2016, 08:41
... and they left a note behind saying "There are no medals left"!!