PERTH/ATHENS $369

[XPT]

MEL-SYD-OOL/ATH $419

from June to October 2017 with Scoot on a B787.

Fantastic lead in fares that will shake up an already distressed market to Europe.

No bags or food but based on those costs to SIN fron OZ ports won't add much probably $100.

[Ken Borough]

The world is going mad! Surely these fares are less than the cost of production? Aside from that, I think one would need to be paid that much to travel SIN/ATH with a LCC jammed into a 9 abreast 787.

[XPT]

The world is going mad! Surely these fares are less than the cost of production? Aside from that, I think one would need to be paid that much to travel SIN/ATH with a LCC jammed into a 9 abreast 787.
Scoot are fine. Who knows how .many seats at those prices.

Might effect so.me carriers to Europe who are already cutting flights. +AFAIK no one flies SIN/ATH direct or nonstop anymore. Many will fly to ATH & then onto other parts of Europe with other lcc s.

Scootbiz fares just over $1000.

Wonder wbat connections at SIN like. Could not see any schedule anywhere on Scoot site.

[mickjoebill]

Good value if it is a return fare?

Mickjoebill

[Fliegenmong]

Scoot are fine. .....uh...no they are not fine.....flew them once on a super cheap introductory fare.....I've not been back, and will not be back....

[BNEA320]

it's one way (not 1/2 a return fare, as many websites advertise).

Have flown Scoot a few times & very little difference from Legacy carriers. Don't know what fliegenmong is on about.

[Ejector]

I flew with Scoot Airlines on a flight to East Coast Australia, my seat would not Lock in the upright position, I was REFUSED another seat on a B787. I complained in writing to the airline, and never received a reply.

I can not right here my opinion of them as it would be to foul.

Anyway, live and learn !!!!!!

[XPT]

I flew with Scoot Airlines on a flight to East Coast Australia, my seat would not Lock in the upright position, I was REFUSED another seat on a B787. I complained in writing to the airline, and never received a reply.

I can not right here my opinion of them as it would be to foul.

Anyway, live and learn !!!!!!huh ? You could have just moved seats or was flight full ?

[The Bullwinkle]

huh ? You could have just moved seats or was flight full ?

It doesn't matter!
If the seat cannot be locked in the upright position for takeoff and landing, then it is unserviceable and must not be used.
Simple as that!

[Ejector]

The plane was full and the Cabin Crew extremely clearly refused my request to change seats. I did use the word "UN-Serviceable".

This was in Singapore on the way to Gold Coast this year.

Sure you can say it was a incompetent Cabin Crew, but the airline refused to reply as well, total GONG SHOW, and Scoot, feel free to sue me, I would love to testify.

[BNEA320]

The plane was full and the Cabin Crew extremely clearly refused my request to change seats. I did use the word "UN-Serviceable".

This was in Singapore on the way to Gold Coast this year.

Sure you can say it was a incompetent Cabin Crew, but the airline refused to reply as well, total GONG SHOW, and Scoot, feel free to sue me, I would love to testify.
if flight full, you should have shut up or you may have been offloaded. How can you change seats if flight is full ? (full means 100%)

[Snakecharma]

Gee that engine has flames pouring out the back of it but best keep quiet in case we get offloaded.

F$7k me! The seat is unserviceable for a reason, it doesn't meet the crashworthiness requirements for the person sitting in the seat or for the person sitting in the seat directly behind. If the seat is permanently reclined and the aircraft does a reject or heaven forbid crashes, the poor prick in the seat is going to get folded in two as the seat back comes forward at a kazillion miles an hour, and the person behind is going to have their head caved in as it hits the seat in front.

I cannot believe you think this is ok 320?

[BNEA320]

Gee that engine has flames pouring out the back of it but best keep quiet in case we get offloaded.

F$7k me! The seat is unserviceable for a reason, it doesn't meet the crashworthiness requirements for the person sitting in the seat or for the person sitting in the seat directly behind. If the seat is permanently reclined and the aircraft does a reject or heaven forbid crashes, the poor prick in the seat is going to get folded in two as the seat back comes forward at a kazillion miles an hour, and the person behind is going to have their head caved in as it hits the seat in front.

I cannot believe you think this is ok 320?didn't say it was ok, but he's trying to bag Scoot cos they didn't find him another seat, when flight was full. If he'd made a fuss about it, he would have been offloaded.


Anyway, get back on topic.


Many backpackers types & bargain hunters(more of these now than ever) will take advantage of these types of fares. If I was young enough to get a UK work visa, I'd go to Greece, swan around for as long as could afford & then get to UK on some cheap airfare from Greece. It will hurt many airlines who are struggling right now. Another nail in the coffin or straw that breaks the camels back.

[Snakecharma]

That flight departed with an unserviceable aeroplane. They SHOULD have delayed the flight and fixed the seat or made alternative arrangements for him, but to depart with him in a stuffed seat is unforgivable.

The MEL usually says lock seat in the upright position and depending on what has failed the seat may or may not be occupied, but it is NEVER ok to go with it (a) unresolved by fixing it or applying a MEL and (b) occupied when they know it is stuffed!

It would be interesting to see if the Capt knew because if he/she did what does that say about the safety culture of the organisation.

I know it is off topic, but frankly it is a big issue and if that is the culture of the airline even 369 bucks is too much to pay as they will try and kill you at some point

[porch monkey]

Dude, don't waste your breath on him. You know what they say about arguing with idiots.

[Another Number]

I complained in writing to the airline, and never received a reply. Contact the Singapore Tourism Board! (And if Scoot doesn't crawl back to you surprisingly soon afterwards, then you can use the Consumers Association of Singapore (CASE)).

[HeartyMeatballs]

Well, meaning as a Qantas aircraft departed illegally without the required MEL item lately, will people be adding QF to their avoid lists? It's being investigated by the ATSB - it would seem that it is something more serious than a failed upright mechanism.

[Fliegenmong]

Have flown Scoot a few times & very little difference from Legacy carriers. Don't know what fliegenmong is on about.

That doesn't bother me BNEA320....the AC was way too packed to be thought of as safe in terms of an emergency ...same as J*.....no way ever again!! Not only unsafe in terms of a very rare emergency.....way way too short on ammenity in terms of space...if I put my thumb on my forehead my outstrechted little finger touched the set in front.......

Dude, don't waste your breath on him. You know what they say about arguing with idiots.

Yeah...well.....

[Metro man]

Compare the fare to Emirates, their B777s have similar seat width, A380 much better. Food, entertainment and 30kgs baggage included. Work out if the extra comfort is worth the extra money.

Low costs generally have much cheaper one way fares than full service airlines which typically charge the same as an APEX return if only going one way.

Its simply another option available, if you don't like what's on offer shop around. One stop flights on that route and dates are coming in around the $2300 return mark with the ME 3.

[Eastwest Loco]

And people wonder why we direct people away from LCCs!

On the ones we have used the amount of damage control we have to go through when things go pear shaped is non recoverable in a financial sense and extremely difficult with call centres with English as a second language.

I personally wouldn't taxi with a lot of them, much lest fly with them.

Guess I am old school but too late to change now.

Best all

EWL

[PoppaJo]

Best bet is to book Europe 2-6 months out. I just returned from London on Etihad, $1200 return from Melbourne and each leg in on the A380...and this is peak season.

Saw Italy/Ireland for travel later this year $1000 return on Etihad and Qatar few weeks back.

Forget booking a year ahead. EY/QR are the two to watch.

[BNEA320]

Best bet is to book Europe 2-6 months out. I just returned from London on Etihad, $1200 return from Melbourne and each leg in on the A380...and this is peak season.

Saw Italy/Ireland for travel later this year $1000 return on Etihad and Qatar few weeks back.

Forget booking a year ahead. EY/QR are the two to watch.
yes $1000-$1200 return is nuts esp to LON where taxes are very high. But these Arab airlines will survive with their 0% loads & oil money.

There are now certainly going to be some major cutbacks or failures as world economy shudders.

$700 return fares to USA from BNE, SYD, MEL & OOL are people start to think these are "normal" fares.

Still the best time to book USA at Christmas is Feb. We go to USA/Canada 2-3 times a year & apart from start of GFC (2007?) have never seen Christmas fares to North America cheaper in Feb. Can get subload fares, but who wants to go subload in busy Christmas holidays.

[Metro man]

I'm signed up with the ME 3 for emails of their special offers. Generally there will be a sale on 3 or 4 times a year and if you can book about 3 months in advance there are some good deals available.

SCOOT have seats with additional legroom available, a sale fare on their business class could be a good deal compared to a normal full service airline fare. Some previously non profitable routes to secondary European cities could be opening up next year. Whilst Emirates have good European coverage their fares can be on the high side where they have little competition.

Turkish Airlines operate narrow bodies to secondary cities in Europe not covered by the ME 3 and given recent events may have some cheap fares on offer.

I try to avoid the B787 in 9 across and the B777 in 10 across configurations.

[Fliegenmong]

I once found some cheap paint, and painted the interior of our old house....I had to buy the stuff again and paint again it was that weak and watery, and someone then told, 'there's no such thing as cheap paint'

I once found some cheap fares on Scoot.......(Or was that cheap pain?)

[HeartyMeatballs]

Geoffrey T - is that you??

[mikk_13]

I once found some cheap paint, and painted the interior of our old house....I had to buy the stuff again and paint again it was that weak and watery, and someone then told, 'there's no such thing as cheap paint'

I once found some cheap fares on Scoot.......(Or was that cheap pain?)

I once paid an expensive fare with BA. They cancelled the ticket and didn't care. Next time i fly scoot.

[BNEA320]

Air Asia X has been talking about going back to Europe/UK recently. Expect this may now happen sooner rather than later.


& Cebu Pacific could do a 2 stop flight to Europe from Sydney, as don't think their A330's could do MNL/Europe with a full load.

[Snakecharma]

The Cebu 330's are 300's so don't have the centre tank activated which reduces the range as compared to the -200 but the bigger issue with them is that they have the machine configured for 460 odd seats, which is an incredible number of punters

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cebu_Pacific/Cebu_Pacific_A330-300.php

The Qantas 300's have about 296 seats.

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Qantas_Airways/Qantas_Airways_Airbus_A330-300.php

I can't imagine doing Sydney to Melbourne in a Cebu machine let alone medium haul...

You would have to wonder at what point the reduction in personal space/seat size etc has to stop before they seriously hurt someone..

[Metro man]

Cebu Pacific A330s are in a special high density configuration of 9 across instead of the normal 8 across. They have 436 seats, certification limit is 440, which is more than some A380 operators have. The aircraft are intended for Philippinos working in the Middle East who are smaller than the average westerner, don't mind being crammed in together and are price sensitive.

4 hours is the MAXIMUM time you could endure this for.

Philippine Airlines often have cheap fares from Australia to London and are a full service airline. Not up there with SQ or Qatar Airways, but worth a try if the price differential is noticeable.

[BNEA320]

Cebu Pacific A330s are in a special high density configuration of 9 across instead of the normal 8 across. They have 436 seats, certification limit is 440, which is more than some A380 operators have. The aircraft are intended for Philippinos working in the Middle East who are smaller than the average westerner, don't mind being crammed in together and are price sensitive.

4 hours is the MAXIMUM time you could endure this for.

Philippine Airlines often have cheap fares from Australia to London and are a full service airline. Not up there with SQ or Qatar Airways, but worth a try if the price differential is noticeable.

What rubbish. Many Canadian airlines have had 3-3-3 seating in A330's.


Some have had 340Y in an A330-200 in 2-4-2 configuration & that was fine.


It's all about design & the actual seats. Toilets around exit doors, no massive bulkheads & no 1st, business or PE & you can get a lot of seats in.


sounds like a lot of airline snobs who don't pay retail for their own flights.

[Capt Fathom]

Many Canadian airlines have had 3-3-3 seating in A330's

How many Canadian airlines are there with A330's?

[BNEA320]

Air Transat + Canada 3000 were the launch airline for the A332

[Metro man]

2+4+2 = 8, which is what the aircraft was designed for and is my favourite configuration when travelling with the wife as we get a couples chair to ourselves.

3+3+3 = 9, which is not what the aircraft was designed for and is a similar level of discomfort to a B777 in 10 across, and a B787 in 9 across.

Being an all economy configuration with the minimum legal number of cabin crew, the service won't be fantastic. In order to cram the seats in they need to be thin and expect them to be quite hard as there is little room for padding. Also expect long queues for the toilets.

It's like using a city bus designed for short rides around town on an 8 hour interstate run, yes it can be done but I wouldn't want to do it.

[CurtainTwitcher]

Canada 3000 went bust in 2001 and Air Transat managed to have a A332 glide into the Azores with fuel starvation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236) and an A310 lose a rudder in flight (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_961). Magnificent examples of longhaul LCC's that we should all aspire to fly with! Pure Gold.

I feel you've finally found you schtick BNE320!

http://lessonslearned.faa.gov/AirTransat236/Runway_Landing_Gear.jpg


http://gogov.com/images/a310tail1lrg.jpg

[cattletruck]

As an asian colleague used to say: Anyone can drive a late model Mercedes if they just eat beans.

I prefer to save up for my holidays and do it in a way that is positively memorable, which rules out the long haul LCCs.

You are going sit in a spam can for 20+ hours of your life, they could even be your last on this Earth, so if you have the means then at least try and enjoy every one of them.

[BNEA320]

Canada 3000 went bust in 2001 and Air Transat managed to have a A332 glide into the Azores with fuel starvation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236) and an A310 lose a rudder in flight (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_961). Magnificent examples of longhaul LCC's that we should all aspire to fly with! Pure Gold.

I feel you've finally found you schtick BNE320!

http://lessonslearned.faa.gov/AirTransat236/Runway_Landing_Gear.jpg


http://gogov.com/images/a310tail1lrg.jpg
a minor distraction happened in 2001 called SEP11. The U.S. govt backed their airlines, the Canadian govt didn't. Incidentally, Canada 3000 had just taken over Royal & another Canadian carrier & had their biggest day of sales ever on SEP10, 2001. Of course sales dried up completely as they were mainly a leisure airline.


If you want to start talking about problems with airlines, just read the book


THE MEN WHO KILLED QF


QF have had 19 fatal crashes with 35 deaths. So much for the world safest airline.

[BNEA320]

As an asian colleague used to say: Anyone can drive a late model Mercedes if they just eat beans.

I prefer to save up for my holidays and do it in a way that is positively memorable, which rules out the long haul LCCs.

You are going sit in a spam can for 20+ hours of your life, they could even be your last on this Earth, so if you have the means then at least try and enjoy every one of them.
give it up cattleteruck & get off your high horse.


LCC's have created 1,000 of jobs, pilots etc. not all at the expense of old legacy carriers.

[LostProperty]

QF have had 19 fatal crashes with 35 deaths. So much for the world safest airline.

And not one of them was within the last 60 years - sixty bloody years and you think those incidents in piston driven aeroplanes are in some way relevant today?

[Ollie Onion]

Always leave it to BNEA320 to take a thread in a totally irrelevant direction!

[On eyre]

Ah yes - "The men who killed Qantas" - worst written book I have ever tried to read. Gave up after twenty pages !!

[Metro man]

QF did go through a bit of a bad patch and it was a combination of luck, and skill from the flight crews that ensured safe outcomes.

Flying RR engined B744s around with a known engine problem which could result in an un contained turbine failure wasn't a particularly sensible thing to do. Had the RR engine shop not been closed down, rectification work could have been quickly performed in house. Unfortunately QF had to join the queue as everyone else with the same engines needed the same work doing at the same time.

[VolLibre]

This seems to be a free for all thread... anyway, A380 vs B777 or 787 on these 14 hour flights and I will pay the extra few hundred any day