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mickjoebill
6th Aug 2016, 00:42
At what point should a "host country" give up on trying to maintain its cultural heiratage?

Halal supermarket ordered to sell 'French groceries' or face closure http://dailym.ai/2aVOgNL


Mickjoebill

meadowrun
6th Aug 2016, 00:47
And alcohol and non-halal meats!
Given that ii is a neighbourhood shop and there may be few alternatives nearby, it should cater to the needs of all residents there, not just the select few.

vapilot2004
6th Aug 2016, 00:56
In a free market democracy, is it not up to the shop owner to choose the items offered for sale? Can one imagine the outcry if a French kosher deli was forced to sell BBQ pork sandwiches and fried shrimp?

meadowrun
6th Aug 2016, 02:00
The range of products in this case are a condition of their lease. The lease is held by the council.

vapilot2004
6th Aug 2016, 04:18
The range of products in this case are a condition of their lease. The lease is held by the council.


That's quite a lease. Leave it to the French, I suppose. I should temper my strong words with an admission - I live in one of the most dysfunctional Democracies in the world. Il en va.

Meanwhile, did the owners fail to read the fine print? Or is there more to this story?

West Coast
6th Aug 2016, 05:34
I live in one of the most dysfunctional Democracies in the world. Il en va.

I'm sure that plays well on the beltway cocktail party circuit. Not sure how well it plays out when you truly analyze the statement at the levels necessary to vet the statement. You've obviously thought this out, so where on the level of dysfunction does the US sit?

sitigeltfel
6th Aug 2016, 05:41
The thread title is misleading, it should never have been a halal shop. The lease stipulated that the range of products should serve the whole community and by restricting them to halal discriminated against non muslims, restricting their choice.

obgraham
6th Aug 2016, 05:59
So theirs is the only store around?
No WalMart nearby?

vapilot2004
6th Aug 2016, 06:39
No WalMart nearby?

It's Paris, France, not Paris, Texas. :p

Fliegenmong
6th Aug 2016, 07:18
I'm sure that plays well on the beltway cocktail party circuit. Not sure how well it plays out when you truly analyze the statement at the levels necessary to vet the statement. You've obviously thought this out, so where on the level of dysfunction does the US sit?

I thought I was informed the US is a Republic??? Democracy is an export product delivered militarily??

pattern_is_full
6th Aug 2016, 07:38
Probably a good example of why government should not be involved in either real estate or religion.

But - if someone chooses to rent from a government-owned space, well, you play by their rules. Is there a rent subsidy (lower rent than equivalent nearby private rental space) in exchange for which one was expected to provide products for all types of customers?

Over here in the US, there is (thank Bog) no enforced or protected "national heritage." Just market forces. You want to run a kosher or halal store? No problem - IF you can survive on the more limited customer base.

You can discriminate in what you serve - you just cannot discriminate in who you serve.

ian16th
6th Aug 2016, 08:52
We had exactly the opposite happen.

A Muslim purchased a property containing several leased shops. One of which was a bottle store (Off License or Liquor Store) .

The new Muslim owner forced the bottle store out of business, it is now a bed retailer.

This, in what is constitutionally a secular country.

Pace
6th Aug 2016, 09:19
Lovely saying

There is no such thing as right or wrong
Right or wrong is man determined,and open to interpretation by upbringing, religious beliefs ,self protectionism etc

So I can't come up to your small town and set up a lap dancing club then ? ))

vapilot2004
6th Aug 2016, 09:41
The new _______ owner forced the ______ out of business, it is now a _____ retailer.

This, in what is constitutionally a secular country.

Happens all the time in America.

Hempy
6th Aug 2016, 09:54
by restricting them to halal discriminated against non muslims, restricting their choice.

I didn't know that non-Muslims aren't allowed to buy Halal products if they choose..

racedo
6th Aug 2016, 10:12
I thought I was informed the US is a Republic??? Democracy is an export product delivered militarily??

If US was a democracy then nobody would need to spend millions to get elected.

US is a failed democracy where the noble sentiments of its founders have long been subverted by mammon.

Sallyann1234
6th Aug 2016, 10:47
I didn't know that non-Muslims aren't allowed to buy Halal products if they choose.
Congratulations, a triple negative :)

alwayzinit
6th Aug 2016, 11:12
Slight thread drift, apologies.........

Every couple of years we get a couple of Gilts, lady piglets, in springtime.

Last year our neighbours asked if they could have one as well on our land, not a problem at all, the more the merrier.

Now said neighbour is a little "colourful"...............During a mutual fence leaning session admiring the progression of joint various neighbour asks if we should have the Piggies Halal slaughtered?................................................ .

It is fair to say there is staggering amount of "Thickery" regarding anything and everything Islamic:ugh:

I do, however, find the enforced "Cultural Nazism" of forcing Halal products into schools and publicly funded food outlets, in the UK, appalling, especially as the Halal slaughtering technique is less than Humane and contrary to animal welfare guidelines.
I would have thought that limiting one's clientele is less than sensible for any shop?

Gertrude the Wombat
6th Aug 2016, 11:58
That's quite a lease.
There was a row in my ward because a shop leased from the council started selling stuff that the lease said it shouldn't, so as not to compete with the shop next door.


I appreciate that councils do these things so as to get some sort of local utility and avoid things like parades filling up completely with estate agents or loan sharks, but this interference with the market does seem to have a habit of getting messy at the edges. Not easy.

Gertrude the Wombat
6th Aug 2016, 12:02
So I can't come up to your small town and set up a lap dancing club then ? ))
IIRC (and I might be mixing up sex encounter venues with casinos, but similar arguments are going to apply) the rule here is that a council, whether of a "small town" or otherwise, can designate areas in which it would be inappropriate to site such businesses. So we drew up a list of fourteen unsuitable locations, being the fourteen wards in the district, ie banning them entirely from our "small town". Clearly contrary to the spirit of the legislation, and officers were somewhat worried that we'd be wasting money losing a court case, but I never heard any more about it so don't know the outcome. (I think the fall-back Plan B, if we were told a global ban was illegal, was to undesignate a grotty industrial estate somewhere.)

Gertrude the Wombat
6th Aug 2016, 12:04
I do, however, find the enforced "Cultural Nazism" of forcing Halal products into schools and publicly funded food outlets, in the UK, appalling, especially as the Halal slaughtering technique is less than Humane and contrary to animal welfare guidelines.
I would have thought that limiting one's clientele is less than sensible for any shop?
You don't need to look for veggie mincemeat for your mince pies any more, it's all veggie these days. Does that count as "cultural Nazism"? - making all us non-veggies eat veggie mince pies?