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Fareastdriver
27th Jul 2016, 13:02
When I rented a car in South Africa I was warned never to stop for a car flashing blue lights especially around Johannesburg and Pretoria.

Looks like they have started in the UK.

Unmarked cars warning to Essex drivers after vans stolen - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-36902057)

NutLoose
27th Jul 2016, 13:34
"Anyone who is signalled at to stop by someone in a car which may appear to be an unmarked police is asked not to stop but to call 999 immediately to verify whether the vehicle and its occupants are genuine."

"And are you driving your vehicle at the moment Sir?"
"Yes why?"
"The Police car behind you is genuine and you will also be reported for using a mobile phone while driving a vehicle Sir"

:E

lomapaseo
27th Jul 2016, 13:51
I didn't stop because I wasn't sure it was a real police car since I was blinded in my mirror by those damned strobe lights.

dazdaz1
27th Jul 2016, 14:23
And that's the case for the defence M'Lord. I'd drive and drive until a T pack manoeuvre then you know (3 cars) they are real cops.

Kulverstukas
27th Jul 2016, 14:30
I didn't stop because I wasn't sure it was a real police car since I was blinded in my mirror by those damned strobe lights.

You will know that they are real cops when they shoot you dead, and will be acquitted by the court.

Lonewolf_50
27th Jul 2016, 14:32
You will know that they are real cops when they shoot you dead, and will be acquitted by the court. In the UK, not so much. In Russia, maybe.

Kulverstukas
27th Jul 2016, 14:41
No, in Russia cops are not so easily triggered because of very strict weapon usage rules. Also we already past about ~5-10 years of "fake police" epidemic here, as well as dangers to drive expensive truck/car intercity.

lomapaseo
27th Jul 2016, 15:41
You will know that they are real cops when they shoot you dead, and will be acquitted by the court.

But only, if you stop.

Here in the US all citizens are permitted to carry pistols on their front seats next to them. So if in doubt just get off the first shots

Cazalet33
27th Jul 2016, 15:50
Officers have been told they should not pull people over when in unmarked cars unless it is an emergency.

And how do they indicate it's an emergency?

With blue flashing lights of course!

Kulverstukas
27th Jul 2016, 16:03
What is "unmarked car with blue flashers" at all? As in Hollywood movies, when they open window and put this blue flasher with cord and magnet on the roof? Because what this article is illustrated with something that looks a bit strange - unmarked car with flasher permanently installed?

G-CPTN
27th Jul 2016, 16:14
Operation of a flashing blue lamp is illegal in Britain except for pukka emergency services, as this guy subsequently discovered:-

Man fined for driving fake ambulance through rush-hour traffic queue (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/07/man-fined-fake-ambulance-rush-hour-traffic-tyne-tunnel).

Fareastdriver
27th Jul 2016, 16:17
Unless they use them to get the fish suppers to the station before they get cold.

er340790
27th Jul 2016, 16:36
There was a spate of these in the early 1990s in Oxfordshire on the A40 / M40.

White car with blue lights stopping people for speeding in the early hours and attempting to make on-the-spot fines.

I believe the gang made the mistake of stopping an off-duty officer who promptly alerted his colleagues and collared the lot of 'em.

(Most criminals ain't that smart, see - they keep getting caught!!! :E)

NutLoose
27th Jul 2016, 16:44
You need to speed though the nearest speed camera to get the Police photographic evidence of the suspected bogus car chasing you. :E

Kulverstukas
27th Jul 2016, 16:52
Most criminals ain't that smart, see - they keep getting caught!!!

Didn't you ever tries to invert it? Caught criminals ain't that smart, see - smart just keep getting not caught so we don't read about them in newspapers!!! :}

VP959
27th Jul 2016, 17:31
What is "unmarked car with blue flashers" at all? As in Hollywood movies, when they open window and put this blue flasher with cord and magnet on the roof? Because what this article is illustrated with something that looks a bit strange - unmarked car with flasher permanently installed?
Here we have lots of unmarked police cars that have semi-hidden blue flashing lights in the grille at the front and are often fitted with alternate flashing headlights, a siren and a pop-up "STOP" sign that shows in the rear window.

They are almost always used on motorways and other fast roads to catch speeding drivers, and can be hard to spot. There are web sites here that try and help motorists identify these unmarked cars, like this one: Speedmonkey: How to spot an unmarked police car (http://www.speedmonkey.co.uk/2013/04/how-to-spot-unmarked-police-car.html) (a bit out of date now, I think).

Kulverstukas
27th Jul 2016, 17:41
used on motorways and other fast roads to catch speeding drivers

We happily skipped this and now it's just speedcameras installed at every lightpole which sends tickets to the OWNER of the car. As a countermeasure, our most popular navigation program, yandex.probki (https://yandex.ru/maps/-/CVgeVCkC) (traffic jams) has user posted point s of speedcams and other useful things (fender-benders, road repairs, police patrols, dangerous places etc.)

Cazalet33
27th Jul 2016, 20:41
The yellow vultures are a much more cost-effective way of taxing speeding drivers.

They never sleep and they don't need doughnuts. Furthermore, they don't stop snaring other victims while dealing with previous ones.

Blues&twos
27th Jul 2016, 21:19
Cazalet, the correct terminology is 'detecting'.... :-)

chevvron
27th Jul 2016, 21:20
You will know that they are real cops when they shoot you dead, and will be acquitted by the court.
Police in the UK are not armed (usually)

Kulverstukas
27th Jul 2016, 21:23
Police in the UK are not armed (usually)

I know but it was an answer for


lomapaseo
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I didn't stop because I wasn't sure it was a real police car since I was blinded in my mirror by those damned strobe lights.

racedo
27th Jul 2016, 21:23
In the UK, not so much. In Russia, maybe.

Correct as in the UK it never gets near a court.

racedo
27th Jul 2016, 21:26
We happily skipped this and now it's just speedcameras installed at every lightpole which sends tickets to the OWNER of the car. As a countermeasure, our most popular navigation program, yandex.probki (https://yandex.ru/maps/-/CVgeVCkC) (traffic jams) has user posted point s of speedcams and other useful things (fender-benders, road repairs, police patrols, dangerous places etc.)

I love the Stopadouchebag movement in Russia.

On one video its pretty clear on whose side the cop was one as he booked someone as he grinned and shuck the hands of the people doing it.

racedo
27th Jul 2016, 21:44
Too many cars have these little blue lights in the centre of them and are used to try and intimidate other drivers.
Wannabee D*** Heads was cop mates description.

I would refuse to stop at night anyway for an unmarked police car, call 999 and there is no way they prosecute you on failing to stop as long as you not accelerating to 100.

llondel
28th Jul 2016, 01:39
Advice always used to be to keep driving in a safe and sensible manner on the basis that a marked car would arrive pretty quickly if you didn't stop for the unmarked one. Of course, if it's not a genuine police car then a marked one isn't going to turn up unless you're really lucky so I guess calling 999 is OK and if the guy in the unmarked car is carrying a weapon then it's really an emergency (valid reason for using a mobile while driving).

Democritus
28th Jul 2016, 12:51
A few years ago I was doing 60 in daylight on the A6 from Kendal northwards to join the M6. An unmarked Volvo Estate was hounding me a few feet from my tail and in the end when it was safe I slowed and blipped my left indicator so he could overtake. As he went by I saw a sign on his rear which said "Police Driver Under Instruction". Why not have a sign on the front so I could work out what he was doing? It was aggressive driving and toally unnecessary - I had no idea it was a Police car and was quite concerned by the bullying driving attitude - no blue lights or siren used.

PS It was the same road that a .22 round made a dent in my rear wing the following year. Bandit country!

DType
28th Jul 2016, 14:49
Travelling rapidly down the A68, I was dismayed to catch up with a police "Driver under instruction" car at road works traffic lights, and feared I would have to follow soberly for several miles. However, at the green light he set off like a scalded cat, and I followed at a discrete distance. By happenstance, a family friend was driving down the road, and he was overtaken at high speed first by the police car and then by me, apparently in pursuit. Did my street cred a power of good!

G-CPTN
28th Jul 2016, 15:00
Many years ago I was trained by a police advanced driving instructor (in an unmarked police Jaguar).
He 'didn't hang about' and, at one stage (driving fast along a country lane) we came around a corner to be confronted by roadworks and a man with a stop/go sign.

I thought "Ah, he was driving too fast", but, as we slid to a halt (no ABS in the 1960s) he reached for the loud hailer (a microphone with a loudspeaker on the front of the car) and said "Get a warning sign put out around the corner!".

It was before the 70mph National Speed Limit and we had been travelling at speeds over 100mph - safely, of course . . .

Geordie_Expat
28th Jul 2016, 15:06
D-Type,


I used to really enjoy the A68/A697 route to Newcastle from Edinburgh. Been a while but that used to be a real 'drivers' road.

Fareastdriver
28th Jul 2016, 16:01
It still is; especially around Otterburn.

Loose rivets
28th Jul 2016, 23:31
Very late one night on the A1 a car closed somewhat rapidly from the rear. When he passed it was a police Volvo estate, one bloke, no pretty lights - speed, around 140mph.

Only the other day an ambulance was heading the other way with blue lights. Chasing along behind were two square black boxes - the new VWs perhaps - with hidden blue lights in the grills. At first I just assumed they'd been called to attend, but now I'm not sure. I've got the vague memory of the windows being darker than normal, but not sure about that either.

This training thing. I'm very aware of just how long it takes a police Class I driver to attain that standard, and I'm perplexed by the number of people that seem to be able (or not) to exceed the limits.

Sad sometimes. I felt very sorry for the middle-aged driver of this, but even more sorry for the woman he hit who had to be cut out of her car and airlifted.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/walnaze/Pprune%20New/DSC_0136_zpsuxpbmwck.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/walnaze/media/Pprune%20New/DSC_0136_zpsuxpbmwck.jpg.html)

Car, sans roof

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/walnaze/Pprune%20New/DSC_0123_zpslckrwfwp.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/walnaze/media/Pprune%20New/DSC_0123_zpslckrwfwp.jpg.html)

He was on his way to this lot. All in a quiet road in Frinton. The junctions I'd formally called in about many months before. Almost no warnings and people with 'Right of Way' showing they had no imaginations.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/walnaze/Pprune%20New/DSC_0120_zpse5e7yuva.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/walnaze/media/Pprune%20New/DSC_0120_zpse5e7yuva.jpg.html)

llondel
29th Jul 2016, 02:19
By happenstance, a family friend was driving down the road, and he was overtaken at high speed first by the police car and then by me, apparently in pursuit.

I was driving down the M11 from Cambridge once, saw a police car approaching at speed from behind so I pulled over into a convenient gap in the LH lane. As the car went past I saw that while it was done up to look like a police car, it had a load of stickers on it pointing out that it was a film car. So I pulled back out behind him and had the smoothest ride down the M11 I've ever had in busy traffic because everyone else also got out of his way.

Hydromet
29th Jul 2016, 07:39
Slight thread drift, but here goes. Driving home today I was overtaken by two fire engines, and about a minute later, passed by a third going in the opposite direction. The two that overtook me were stopped a couple of km up the road.

Fareastdriver
29th Jul 2016, 09:38
In Aberdeen the day before yesterday whilst walking up King Street a fire engine with all the lights and hooters going passed me and at the next junction turned towards the fire station.
Yesterday I was walking past the fire station and a fire engine, again with all the lights flashing and hooters going arrived, and turned into the rear entrance of the building. Out of curiosity I waited about five minutes for something to happen but nothing did.

As both occasions it was about lunchtime so I can only assume that the fish suppers were getting cold.

Paracab
29th Jul 2016, 13:26
From blue light gangs to giving the blue light drivers a good kicking. Jetblast at its best.

I once went through a period of bizarre anxiety about driving 'on blues'; I was convinced I was due a big prang, thankfully it never happened, I didn't dare approach management with this issue however, I would have been given the boot. It passed in time and I never got to the bottom of it.

Its bloody dangerous, that is known and its not taken lightly. There are kids that come through that race about but not with me on board.

Oh, and as for blueing it back to base because the fish & chips are going cold - nonsense. Maybe that happened once, before data recorders (they see everything) and having the chance to get to the chippy without copping another job, but not now.

Fareastdriver
29th Jul 2016, 13:35
On both occasions they were 'blueing' it back to the fire station. Why? I understood that that facility could only be used proceeding to an emergency.

VP959
29th Jul 2016, 14:11
On both occasions they were 'blueing' it back to the fire station. Why? I understood that that facility could only be used proceeding to an emergency.
Is it possible they had another shout whilst out, but needed to get back to the station to pick up different kit, or swap vehicles?

When I looked around our local fire station on an open day, there seemed to be a lot of very specialised kit, and not every vehicle was equipped with all the kit needed for every type of job.

Fareastdriver
29th Jul 2016, 14:47
Out of curiosity I waited about five minutes for something to happen but nothing did.

I was in hearing range for at least ten minutes after that and there was no further activity. There are at least four units available so I would have thought that another one would have launched.

Paracab
29th Jul 2016, 16:24
Fareastdriver,

I don't have an explanation for what you witnessed unfortunately. With my lot going back to base under emergency conditions even to hand the vehicle over to the oncoming crew was a no no for this very reason; it just didn't look good. One possibility is driver training perhaps but even then its a bit of misjudgement as it doesn't look too good for Joe public.

Fareastdriver
29th Jul 2016, 20:24
Leave it at that; it's not that important.

NutLoose
30th Jul 2016, 19:24
A friend of mine now in his 70's got caught speeding by a camera, choosing to attend the speed aware course they asked people's professions at the start of the course.... Housewife... Teacher..... Car mechanic...
The came to my friend and he replies retired... What did you do before you retired they asked... Police road traffic officer he sheepishly replied...

Much mirth and laughter ensued from both staff and course members.

D SQDRN 97th IOTC
31st Jul 2016, 09:12
In the UK, the law says you can use a phone in your vehicle
If you’re the driver, and if you need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it’s unsafe or impractical to stop

BigEndBob
3rd Aug 2016, 08:10
I used to love walking past the local fire station when they were called out.
First a klaxon would go off, then a call across a Tannoy, then 30 seconds later the roller shutters would go up and if lucky the platform engine would race out with it's main horn blearing to get the traffic to stop. Quite exciting..except for the fact that someone was probably in mortal danger at a scene.

EEngr
3rd Aug 2016, 20:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvYxXBMqEOM

Did not end well

llondel
4th Aug 2016, 00:31
I used to love walking past the local fire station when they were called out.
First a klaxon would go off, then a call across a Tannoy, then 30 seconds later the roller shutters would go up and if lucky the platform engine would race out with it's main horn blearing to get the traffic to stop. Quite exciting..except for the fact that someone was probably in mortal danger at a scene.

We were out walking the dog one evening and as we approached the local fire station there was the sound of screeching tyres and a loud bang from the direction of the main road. As we walked past the station, sure enough, all the noises and lights went off and the appliance set off. We continued our walk to the main road, turned in the same direction as the fire engine had gone (seeing as home was in that direction on the loop we'd planned to walk) and there it was, about a quarter of a mile down the road. Someone had decided to rearrange a few parked cars by driving into them.

NutLoose
4th Aug 2016, 13:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JRU5JkD0fM

:E

llondel
4th Aug 2016, 16:48
One of the few times I have a bit of sympathy with a BMW driver, assuming he was legally parked. Problem entirely due to the police.

G-CPTN
4th Aug 2016, 17:32
The narrow residential streets (including cul-de-sacs) where my son lived are always heavily parked on both sides leaving an even narrower passage capable of cars only.

A house fire resulted in the fire appliance striking various parked cars on a junction in order to reach the fire premises.

radeng
5th Aug 2016, 00:21
I always remember working with a retained fire fighter. He told me that his biggest problem was that his wife said that there was a bigger chance of him not coming home from a turn of duty than a special constable not coming from his - and she didn't like the worry......