A319-A320 Take Off Distances Wet Weather ?

[Nuweiba]

Would appreciate very much following help with these two questions :

What would be the expected take-off distance of an A319 with 150 pax in wet weather ( 10 Degrees Celsius ) for a flight of two hours duration ?

Same question but for an A320 with 180 pax.

Can't find take-off charts anywhere as I can for Boeing models.

Thanks !

[BEL1000]

It Depends on runway conditions, winds, weight and balance, temperature (As you said) and other factors.

[tubby linton]

Luton is 7000feet long and you can easily fly for four hours from there off a wet runway in an A320

[Amadis of Gaul]

Sweet Kamalani! Somebody puts even more people in their 319/320 than we do. Ours hold 145 and 178 respectively.

[FlightDetent]

Shortest: 1197 m.
Longest: 2281 m. -> accelerate stop-distance 3015!

[underfire]

Perhaps provide the foundation for this? Is this a sim question?

The takeoff is well defined in the AB procedures. It is not just about # of pax.

[FlightDetent]

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[underfire]

FD...yes, the AB app!

https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/flysmart-with-airbus-takeoff/id610875322?mt=8

https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/flysmart-airbus-loadsheet/id610882356?mt=8

[Nuweiba]

Many thanks - very informative and helpful !

And yes.... Amadis... they do ! Easyjet for starters ! :-)

I have been trying to calculate if an A320 could operate from Guernsey ( GCI ). I know they have had Titan A320 flights but with 110 - 120 pax.

Once again many thanks !

[FlightDetent]

Now you're providing information and making this interesting :)

I ran a calculation for a sea level runway identical to the shorter GCI 09. No obstacles, though. With wet runway max perf TOW comes out at 65 tonnes. That's actually quite a lot!

For your use it is safe to assume 44 t empty aircraft weight, 2,5 t fuel at landing and there are your 18.500 kilograms to play with.

Passangers or fuel, it's up to you. Deduct 1 t for take-off and initial climb, then 2,8 per hour of flight at 400 kts groundspeed. Average customer at 95 kgs.

:ok:

[LesF]

Nuweiba, I see there's a campaign to extend Guernsey's runway from 1463m to 1700m so A320 and 737 can use it. Can anyone tell me if 1700m would accommodate 319/320/737 fully loaded in all weather conditions? If not, what runway length is needed?

[giggitygiggity]

You certainly wouldn't get a fully loaded A320 off the ground in guernsey with anything worse than 0 head wind (eg a tail wind) but i'm sure you'd not even manage that. I'll try to remember to work it out for you but you are never going to get 77 tonnes airborne on that runway with a tailwind.

[FlightDetent]

With 1700 m and some adverse conditions it is full house and 9 tonnes of fuel. Thus approximately 1200 NM range. :D

[Musket90]

Maybe if Guernsey are looking at increasing the runway length to 1700m or so it's to attract short haul UK A319/320 traffic as Jersey does. May make sense if the business case
adds up and airlines like Easy and BA were very interested. Also Aurigny could consider upgrading aircraft type giving more flexibility.

[Nuweiba]

Very interesting replies. Yes the runway extension question for Guernsey has arisen once again.

Titan have operated their A320 in Guernsey on behalf of Aurigny though clearly not fully loaded. Maybe 120 - 130 passengers and on the Gatwick or Stansted routes.

Proponents of the longer runway base their arguments on the need to match Jersey, ( with 1706 metres ) and, believe it or not, on the need to show that Guernsey is open for business. No new airlines, routes or increases of passenger numbers can be proven if the runway is extended - but there is simply a belief among some politicians and business leaders that "if one builds it, they will come".

Funny enough, Easyjet showed interest in operating on the Gatwick - Guernsey route, with the current runway, and only withdrew that interest due, according to the Strategic Air Links Review of 2015, to the local government issuing a statement declaring the need to protect local carrier Aurigny on that route.

Furthermore, whilst extending the runway to the length of Jersey will allow A320s and A319s to operate in to Guernsey from further afield, assuming the demand for larger aircraft exists on those routes, it still will not allow the likes of Ryanair, Norwegian and Thomson to operate into the island as the B737-800 and larger aircraft can not even operate into Jersey.

[FerrisBueller]

As of the end of May all new 737-800 deliveries to FR are fitted with the Short Filed Performance (SFP) package. No idea if there is any interest in Jersey or Guernsey however.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/short-field-package-for-737ng-pulls-in-orders-205862/
https://flyinginireland.com/2017/06/aircraft-register-update-may-2017/