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FAR CU
16th Jun 2016, 03:24
A recent item containing seven never located. There was also a Martin Mariner in November 1958 between Lisbon and Madeira with 36 POB.
Skipper was Jimmy Broadbent an Australian greatly experienced in flying boat operations.

The mystery of MH370, EgyptAir flight MS804 and seven other planes that vanished | The Week UK (http://www.theweek.co.uk/mh370/57683/the-mystery-of-mh370-egyptair-flight-ms804-and-seven-other-planes-that-vanished)

The loss of the Martin Mariner is reported here. Downloading the lengthy Portuguese report reveals towards the end an interesting letter from Patrick Byrne a long serving USN pilot who had ferried the Mariner from the States to Lisbon two months before the fatal flight. His well founded theory was a catastrophic explosion occurred.

https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19581109-0

John Hill
16th Jun 2016, 10:35
A recent item containing seven never located. There was also a Martin Mariner in November 1958 between Lisbon and Madeira with 36 POB.
Skipper was Jimmy Broadbent an Australian greatly experienced in flying boat operations.

The mystery of MH370, EgyptAir flight MS804 and seven other planes that vanished | The Week UK (http://www.theweek.co.uk/mh370/57683/the-mystery-of-mh370-egyptair-flight-ms804-and-seven-other-planes-that-vanished)

The loss of the Martin Mariner is reported here. Downloading the lengthy Portuguese report reveals towards the end an interesting letter from Patrick Byrne a long serving USN pilot who had ferried the Mariner from the States to Lisbon two months before the fatal flight. His well founded theory was a catastrophic explosion occurred.

https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19581109-0


Interesting little snippet in that the 'last radio message' as quoted appears a little verbose for the circumstances and I suspect it was really a hurried "QUG" signal on Morse code.

onetrack
16th Jun 2016, 12:41
There's a lot more than 7 aircraft lost without trace. Here's just one more.

ASN Aircraft accident Avro 691 Lancastrian 1 G-AGLX Indian Ocean (http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19460323-0)

seafire6b
16th Jun 2016, 14:34
And another one, VARIG B707F en-route from Tokyo to Los Angeles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Boeing_707-323C_disappearance

uffington sb
16th Jun 2016, 21:41
Star Tiger and Star Ariel were the names of Avro Tudors, and they were not jets.

treadigraph
17th Jun 2016, 00:12
Roger Fiennes and his Tiger Moth into the Channel about 20 years ago. Nary a trace... Speculation was, was it a crash or a Lord Lucan?

thing
17th Jun 2016, 00:22
Glenn Miller was another. I think it was a Norseman he was in that disappeared over the Channel during WWII.

Captivep
17th Jun 2016, 15:51
There are way more than seven!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missing_aircraft

Sue VÍtements
17th Jun 2016, 17:05
What about the one that hit the Andes and was carrying a Queens Messenger? Disappeared without trace until the glacier disgorged it many years later. Converted Lancaster or Avro York perhaps?

Then of course there's the Kee Bird that sort of disappeared without trace. I saw the documentary on that and I always felt it looked like an ammaturish affair, but then again, what do I know?

megan
18th Jun 2016, 18:23
The Kee Bird never disappeared. Crew were rescued a few days after force landing but aircraft destroyed after an attempt to fly it out decades later. Even in Australia we have many aircraft that have disappeared without trace, some in recent years, none appear on the wiki list.

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Haraka
18th Jun 2016, 18:55
Megan. I loved the story from "Flight" from the early 60's of the Aussie flying his Cessna on the coast, who claimed that he was formated upon by a Spitfire, which then broke away and disappeared off inland.
Asked to comment, a CAA official said words to the effect that he wasn't totally surprised, since he knew of three Mustangs and a C-47 flying around illegally and unregistered in the outback. I followed this up informally and ,allegedly, quite a few Australian pilots and their aircraft just went "missing" once hostilities ended in WW2.

I just have this image of a sheep station c.August 1945. " Look Mum, Dads back!"

Fantome
18th Jun 2016, 19:08
LOVE IT! There's much more to the rogue Spitfire story. It is alleged, and it was an oft told story in Central Australia through the 50s and early 60s, that a DCA Aero Commander was in the cruise between Tennant Creek and Alice Springs when their aircraft was overtaken with little to spare by a Spittie . . . proceeding to then do a series of barrel rolls until diving away steeply. The ultimate 'finger'.

Now the story becomes even more murky , for if true the pilot was one Tony Chisholm whose mother Mollee Sargood (Sargoods owned a large station property to the north of Alice Springs) had a son to the Prince of Wales (later briefly Edward the 8th) when he visited Australia in 1920. Because Tony bore a remarkable resemblance to the future king the story had much circulation. He flew in some capacity (unable to trace) during the Second World War before returning to help run his mother's property with his brother Bruce.

Fantome
18th Jun 2016, 20:06
from the article below in a 2004 issue of THE AGE -

It was then that a relative told Mr Anderson that he was the son of pastoralist David Anthony "Tony" Chisholm, widely believed around Alice Springs to be the illegitimate son of King Edward VIII, who abdicated to marry divorcee Wallis Simpson.

The story goes that Mr Chisholm's mother, Sydney socialite Mollee Little, had a dalliance with the then Prince of Wales when he visited Australia in 1920.

Ms Little soon after married wealthy pastoralist Roy Chisholm. Their son, David Anthony, who was later to be known as "The Duke", was said to have been born in 1921.

(Mollee had also been at one time Mrs Sargood)


Stolen children say time for apologies is past - National - www.theage.com.au (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/03/1086203564156.html)

Loose rivets
18th Jun 2016, 22:33
seafire6b
Seafire's post (#4)

And another one, VARIG B707F en-route from Tokyo to Los Angeles: Notably, the cargo included 153 paintings by Manabu Mabe, returning from a Tokyo exhibition, valued at US$1.24 million. Neither the wreck nor the paintings were ever found.[6]

Interesting. Nowt by today's standards. I watched a Christie's sale yesterday of a bizarrely silly face in a load of dribbled paint. The bids were going up a Million quid at a time to IIRC, 51million.





Seems to me that if you live more than say, 100 miles from anyone, you should be able to do what you blinkin' well like. Airways passing overhead by agreement.

Sue VÍtements
19th Jun 2016, 02:09
The Kee Bird never disappearedWell it disappeared into a lake! :(

chevvron
19th Jun 2016, 06:16
I seem to remember reading an article in 'RAF Flying Review' many years ago of several 'bush pilots' in Canada who disappeared although the article actually dealt with one who had been found, or at least his corpse, still in his aircraft where it crashed.