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rotornut
15th Jun 2016, 00:38
Police, firefighters called after firey fight over shape of Earth in E. Ontario | CP24.com (http://www.cp24.com/news/police-firefighters-called-after-firey-fight-over-shape-of-earth-in-e-ontario-1.2945640)

Loose rivets
15th Jun 2016, 00:44
No, no, no, no. It's an oblate spheroid!!!

evansb
15th Jun 2016, 01:21
Correct. An oblate spheroid. The aforementioned article was complete "click bait".

spInY nORmAn
15th Jun 2016, 08:25
And the obliquity of the ecliptic is about 23.4 degrees. Not that I really care about such things but I do enjoy saying "obliquity of the ecliptic".

Carry0nLuggage
15th Jun 2016, 10:13
spInY: A Vangelis fan eh? :ok:

Albedo, zero point three nine

megan
15th Jun 2016, 14:28
And it's hollow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth

There are firm believes about, and they publish a magazine. Was told there is an entrance inside at each of the poles.

Flash2001
15th Jun 2016, 14:54
There are also second order variations from a perfect sphere, it's actually kinda pear shaped with the bulge south of the equator. The FCC demands that these be taken into account for broadcast antenna siting. There are probably higher order variations as well.

After an excellent landing etc.

WeeJeem
15th Jun 2016, 15:01
And the obliquity of the ecliptic is about 23.4 degrees. Not that I really care about such things but I do enjoy saying "obliquity of the ecliptic".

Or even stretch it to "the obliquity of the ecliptic of the ovoid" :ok:

unclenelli
16th Jun 2016, 01:25
.....and the shortest distance between two points on the earth's surface is....?........anyone?.....aanyone?

Norman Deplume
16th Jun 2016, 01:57
Not A, B, C or D so I will go with:

E) Less than 1mm.

Ascend Charlie
16th Jun 2016, 04:20
.....and the shortest distance between two points on the earth's surface is....?........anyone?.....aanyone?

Depends how far apart the points are, dunnit?

Can't be less than zero, Can't be more than half the world's circumference.

Flypro
16th Jun 2016, 08:20
Obvious really. The shortest distance between two points is always across the grass. :)

Cows getting bigger
16th Jun 2016, 08:47
"You know, and I really think people, need to know, that........ people are saying that .... I dunno, I just heard..... but people are saying that it's round. WHAT? I mean....well.... you know, people know it's flat, right? There's something going on here and...... Crooked Hilary ....... I mean, something's just not right. ..... You know that..... well.....O Bar Mer, yep, yep, O Bar Mer, he's well, you know, I'm just saying.......something's going on and people are ...... you know ...... they're saying things. Look, I dunno but people are saying things and...... we're going to figure out what the hell's going here on and......make America great again."

Hydromet
16th Jun 2016, 21:47
There are also second order variations from a perfect sphere, it's actually kinda pear shaped with the bulge south of the equator. The FCC demands that these be taken into account for broadcast antenna siting. There are probably higher order variations as well.
An organisation that I worked for once bought a tide model that allowed the user to take into account not only the earth's moon, the planets and their moons, but any number of stars.
We didn't bother going outside the solar system.

hiflymk3
16th Jun 2016, 22:15
If the Earth is round and rotating, why don't aeroplanes take off and then stop and wait for the destination to come around to it?

rotornut
16th Jun 2016, 23:24
Well UFOs do that, don't they?

thing
16th Jun 2016, 23:36
If the Earth is round and rotating, why don't aeroplanes take off and then stop and wait for the destination to come around to it?

I spent ages explaining why that doesn't happen to an apprentice at Cosford once. These guys were supposed to be the pick of the crop...

clark y
16th Jun 2016, 23:40
Bit hard to climb and wait for the earth to turn if your flying North-South.

G-CPTN
17th Jun 2016, 00:11
Imagine what could happen if the axis of rotation shifted by (say) ten degrees . . .

unclenelli
17th Jun 2016, 01:19
Ascend Charlie
In space it's a straight line, but on the earth (or any spheroid) it's "the arc of a great circle"

dixi188
17th Jun 2016, 08:02
Ascend Charlie
In space it's a straight line, but on the earth (or any spheroid) it's "the arc of a great circle"

1. I thought space-time was curved :)

2. If I dig a hole or trench then the shortest distance between two points is a straight line :)

Sorry.

John Marsh
17th Jun 2016, 08:19
What a fuss!:) The Earth is whatever shape we make it, donchaknow!

We create our own reality. Oh yes. And so, when everyone* believed the Earth was flat, 'twas so! And now we all choose to believe it's a sphere, or a variation thereof...ditto!

'Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light!'

*Except for a few obstinate cranks.

WeeJeem
17th Jun 2016, 08:53
[...] it's a sphere, or a variation thereof...

I'm curious to know what "a variation of a sphere" would be. :ooh:

TURIN
17th Jun 2016, 08:54
If the Earth is round and rotating, why don't aeroplanes take off and then stop and wait for the destination to come around to it?


I think the A340 does just that. ;)

The HS Trident only got airborne due to the curvature of the earth so it can't be flat can it?:p

DirtyProp
17th Jun 2016, 09:00
Guys, the earth is flat.
And don't you dare questioning it! :=
End of discussion.

nj8hT9YO884

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj8hT9YO884

TURIN
17th Jun 2016, 09:17
Couldn't understand a word he said but he's wearing a very expensive watch. I wonder if he knows why it runs at the speed it does?

hiflymk3
17th Jun 2016, 10:11
clark y said. 'Bit hard to climb and wait for the earth to turn if you're flying North-South.'

Aha! A good question, I've thought of that too. The aircraft has a big magnet which would attract it to either pole. Say you want to go from London to Sydney, you take off, switch on the magnet and if you timed it right Sydney would come round to you.

Sue VÍtements
17th Jun 2016, 19:19
I'm honestly not sure if this is satire or not, but then again to find out, I'd have to actually READ it :(

https://christianflatearthministry.org/





And the reason an aircraft can't simply take off and wait for the Earth to pass under it is obviously because the earth is passing underneath it at the same speed as the engines ... just as if it was sitting on a conveyor belt

Arm out the window
18th Jun 2016, 02:42
Ascend Charlie
In space it's a straight line, but on the earth (or any spheroid) it's "the arc of a great circle"

errr .... I think he already knows that!
I prefer to follow a rhumb line myself, or rather a rum line, but I keep ending up in Bundaberg for some reason!

Ascend Charlie
19th Jun 2016, 06:33
Absolutely, Armie, and as stated, the longest great circle will be half a circumference.

Wasn't Bert Hinkler following the rum line to Bundaberg?

AtomKraft
19th Jun 2016, 10:08
For a few hours amusement- but you'll need to be really bored- type 'flat earth' into YouTube and prepare to be amazed.

It makes the moon landing deniers and 9/11 truthers look like intellectual Giants.

ORAC
19th Jun 2016, 10:18
This is becoming a circular argument......

hiflymk3
19th Jun 2016, 12:25
If the Earth is round, that makes my spirit levels and plumb lines redundant. Does it also mean that the tallest and largest buildings, by area, are not four square?

G-CPTN
19th Jun 2016, 18:13
If the Earth is round, that makes my spirit levels and plumb lines redundant.
It could be both round and flat . . .

Mr Optimistic
19th Jun 2016, 19:17
Does it matter particularly ?

ORAC
19th Jun 2016, 19:38
In the round, no...

ZOOKER
19th Jun 2016, 22:17
Sadly it's not an 'oblate spheroid', it departs from it in 2 areas, one of which is The Indian Ocean Basin.

It's true figure is a 'Geoid''

Which means it's actually.....'Earth-shaped'.

So there. :E

ZOOKER
19th Jun 2016, 22:19
P.S.
All the NATS Aerodrome charts publish the 'Geoid Undulation' or GUND Elevations, in the U.K. IAIP.

hiflymk3
20th Jun 2016, 11:40
If the earth is a Geoid, then I live in the Northern hemorrhoid.

KenV
21st Jun 2016, 14:40
In space it's a straight line,Maybe. Maybe not.
1. Not even light travels in a "straight line" in space.
2. Space itself is curved, so how does one define "straight line" in curved space?

Fark'n'ell
23rd Jun 2016, 09:54
Wasn't Bert Hinkler following the rum line to Bundaberg?

I think Dennis(wrong way)Corrigan was the fellow following a rum line.

ChrisJ800
23rd Jun 2016, 10:18
If you dig a deep enough hole do you end up on China, no matter where you start digging?

Ascend Charlie
23rd Jun 2016, 22:42
If you dig a big enough hole, the Chinese will come and buy it.

WeeJeem
24th Jun 2016, 15:03
If you dig a big enough hole, China will fall into it.

ShyTorque
24th Jun 2016, 18:54
This discussion's gone a bit flat. Maybe it'll come round again.

hiflymk3
24th Jun 2016, 19:37
Given enough latitude.

ShyTorque
24th Jun 2016, 20:18
Trouble is, those arguing are poles apart.

hiflymk3
24th Jun 2016, 20:40
I'm sure they will equate sometime...




I must get a life. I must get a life. I must ...

Dan_Brown
1st Jul 2016, 01:03
I've never been high enough to confirm nor otherwise what shape the earth is. However these guys seem to have a take on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAcp3BFBYw4

ChrisJ800
1st Jul 2016, 23:43
Warning, Go Pro cameras with their fish eye lenses make even a flat earth look curved!

Loose rivets
6th Jul 2016, 22:31
Why does Brian Cox say long-dee-tude?

Windy Militant
6th Jul 2016, 23:07
Why does Brian Cox say long-dee-tude?
Well it's either because he was in Dee-Ream or cause he's from Manchester!:}

TURIN
6th Jul 2016, 23:32
Hang on. If the earth is round, where are all the corners?

er340790
7th Jul 2016, 00:48
Imagine what could happen if the axis of rotation shifted by (say) ten degrees . . .

My imagination is a bit lacking today. So, please.... ENLIGHTEN US!!! :8

G-CPTN
7th Jul 2016, 06:04
Climate change would be the least of our worries.

simon brown
7th Jul 2016, 13:47
I heard the Flat Earth Society have just declared themselves a global organisation

TEEEJ
15th Jun 2017, 15:11
This guy believes that he has proved flat earth by taking a spirit level on board an Airbus A321. :ugh:

See 4:18 for video from the flight.

Published on 1 May 2017
I decided to take my spirit level on a flight from North Carolina to Seattle to monitor whether or not the pilot would dip the nose of the plane to compensate for curvature.

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SASless
15th Jun 2017, 15:22
Simon's Post reminds me of the lack of a "Like" button here at PPRUNE!:D:D:D

fleigle
15th Jun 2017, 15:29
You guys are making my brane hurt, I'm going to lie down on a flat bit...
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Loose rivets
15th Jun 2017, 15:54
Do you store memories about spacetime in your membrane?



Imagine what could happen if the axis of rotation shifted by (say) ten degrees . . .

ten degrees. There, I said it. It's small because I'm a long way away.

Loose rivets
15th Jun 2017, 16:10
Since a photon is travelling at the speed of light in a vacuum, it must think it's at its destination the moment it's created, even if that happens to be billions of light years away.

I can hear it now. "Oh good. I'm there already."

However, if I put my hand in the way, wouldn't that come as a nasty surprise? I mean, there it is, happily going along its preferred geodesic, and suddenly there's a hand-shaped cloud of particles in its way. So, it has been stopped, having not got to where relativity demands it should have got, and if I happen to be half way there, it still has another several billion miles to go - which must be tedious if you happen to be there already.


Seems downright unfair to me.

charliegolf
15th Jun 2017, 16:30
Photon at check-in,
Clerk asks: no baggage?

Photon: no, I'm travelling light.

Boom Boom

SASless
15th Jun 2017, 16:32
But is it not possible that it arrived before it departed depending upon how you are measuring the Time Coordinate? As your measurement requires transmission of Light.....could you ever measure the time?

ehwatezedoing
15th Jun 2017, 21:25
If the earth was flat, YouTube would be full of videos from Russian teenagers playing drunken dare devils on the edges of it.

Boom boom photon kaboom!

T28B
15th Jun 2017, 23:24
... it's actually kinda pear shaped with the bulge south of the equator. Hence the sobriquet "mother earth."

jolihokistix
16th Jun 2017, 00:49
The Daily Mail under 'Biotechnology' ran an interview some time ago with an E-coli bacterium. Some kind of sophisticated software for interpreting bacterial emotions. One of the bacterium's comments really struck me, when it said that in reality, eggs are flat. :eek:

Dont Hang Up
16th Jun 2017, 07:52
If the Earth is round and rotating, why don't aeroplanes take off and then stop and wait for the destination to come around to it?

I think the A340 does just that.

The HS Trident only got airborne due to the curvature of the earth so it can't be flat can it?

Yes the old jokes! :ok:

But in reality, Concorde was 2% lighter flying East than flying West due to the slingshot effect of the Earth's rotation.

Hydromet
16th Jun 2017, 08:13
But is it not possible that it arrived before it departed...
No, because the hurrier it goes the behinder it gets.

gearlever
16th Jun 2017, 08:58
It's flat

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6f/d9/5d/6fd95d91e60c797f9078a366b6980728.jpg

andytug
16th Jun 2017, 09:03
That's not an accurate representation, the water curves upwards at the edges and evaporates into cloud, or we'd run out pretty quickly.

Ogre
16th Jun 2017, 10:41
.....and the shortest distance between two points on the earth's surface is....?........anyone?.....aanyone?

Part of a great circle?

Tried to teach this to a couple of young engineers once, picked two places relatively close to each other then move the range out. When it came to New York and Beijing and one of the engineers hadn't got the grasp of the concept, I handed him a shovel. Then he got it!

ArthurR
18th Jun 2017, 13:04
The Earth cannot be flat, if it was the cats would have knocked everything off it.

SASless
18th Jun 2017, 17:47
That is for sure!:ok:

rottenray
20th Jun 2017, 05:03
"You know, and I really think people, need to know, that........ people are saying that .... I dunno, I just heard..... but people are saying that it's round. WHAT? I mean....well.... you know, people know it's flat, right? There's something going on here and...... Crooked Hilary ....... I mean, something's just not right. ..... You know that..... well.....O Bar Mer, yep, yep, O Bar Mer, he's well, you know, I'm just saying.......something's going on and people are ...... you know ...... they're saying things. Look, I dunno but people are saying things and...... we're going to figure out what the hell's going here on and......make America great again."

You owe me a new keyboard, a new rum & coke, and a new office chair. Right after I spewed my drink all over, I peed a little.

Okay, well, a lot.

Thanks for capturing the moment here.

Lonewolf_50
20th Jun 2017, 15:47
Right after I spewed my drink all over, I peed a little. Okay, well, a lot. At our age, that's a recurring risk. :uhoh:

ricardian
30th Jun 2017, 13:28
https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19511087_1562446720446939_7091772437854662570_n.jpg?oh=b9c9d 68ff040ee6ed6d74606ba1ca3d9&oe=5A0A84E3

rottenray
1st Jul 2017, 03:54
https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19511087_1562446720446939_7091772437854662570_n.jpg?oh=b9c9d 68ff040ee6ed6d74606ba1ca3d9&oe=5A0A84E3

Had the keyboard protector in place this time, so you don't owe me squat.

But I remain impressed by the "general public's" variable impressions of NASA.

According to some folks, whose IQ run in the lower third of those measured, NASA has been able to pull off incredible feats. Fake moon landings involving Hollywood, so forth and so on.

In the upper third, NASA hasn't been able to do anything quite right. 2 Shuttle disasters, not to mention a Mars lander which suffered because of E vs. M.

I love the meme image above.

And, if we could only do something like that...

Imagine walls of ice around... Er, well, you fill in the blank.

419
1st Jul 2017, 11:02
Apologies if this has already been posted but I'm currently viewing on a phone and it's very hard to read all of the earlier posts:
https://newhampshire.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/flat-earth.jpg

ORAC
14th Jul 2017, 06:21
Colorado Flat Earth movement is spreading via technology (http://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/07/colorado-earth-flat-gravity-hoax/)

KenV
14th Jul 2017, 21:08
.....and the shortest distance between two points on the earth's surface is....?........anyone?.....aanyone?Across a lake, or pond, or steep mountain, or some other obstacle you can't walk across.

megan
15th Jul 2017, 03:05
.....and the shortest distance between two points on the earth's surface is....?........anyone?.....aanyone?A chord. Told them tunnel engineers they were making them too long and inflating costs by keeping the gravity gradient vertical with respect to the tunnel. And you could travel with little use of motive power, a great benefit to global warming. :p

old,not bold
15th Jul 2017, 15:37
You can mock as much as you like, but when I learnt gunnery there was a correction for the earth's rotation while the shell was in flight, along with all the other firing data. Not a lot, but enough to make the difference between a hit and a miss. At this distance in time, I don't remember whether it was greatest on the North-South line, or East-West. Perhaps a less memory-challenged gunner can oblige?

ORAC
15th Jul 2017, 20:21
You can't win you know....

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=54610.0

RAT 5
16th Jul 2017, 12:30
Of course the world is flat, or not round. Earth is said to rotate at approx 1,000mph. Concorde flew at a nudge over 1300mph at 55,000' but with acceleration & deceleration it averaged about 1000mph LON-JFK-LON.
If the earth rotates with JFK coming towards LON then Concorde could launch towards JFK, climb to Hi FL and arrive at JFK with average speed of 2000mph. It would then launch from JFK, climb to Hi FL with LON rotating away from JFK. You'd never catch up and so never arrive. Yet; the flight times in both directions were about the same??????????

Therefore, if the earth is round it is not rotating, or it is not round. QED.

No where's that brandy; the last bottle is empty.

ORAC
16th Jul 2017, 12:39
Depends on your frame of reference.

(See what I did there....)