Bruntingthorpe. Cold War jets this Sunday

[NutLoose]

If you want to see Lightnings, Buccaneers, Hunters, VC10 and a Victor amongst others, such as Nimrod, JPs and a Canberra screaming up and down a runway, well it's on this weekend, see

Open Days | Bruntingthorpe Aircraft Museum (http://www.bruntingthorpeaviation.com/open-days/)

[Rhino power]

And hopefully in future years to possibly include a certain 'Black Mike', now it's been officially saved and secured for Bruntingthorpe! ;)

-RP

[NutLoose]

There is a bit of a debate whether they will be allowed to get it running on the flypast forums.... hopefully they will as it still retains its engines.

[Rhino power]

As I understand it, the terms of the ITAR and purchase agreement preclude 'actually' running it, but possibly don't preclude getting it into a runnable condition. As you noted, one of the biggest, if not the biggest hurdles is serviceable Speys, I imagine the installed pair are probably well beyond saving having had no anti-det runs and periodic outside storage thrown in for good measure. Whether the Duxford or Hendon Speys are an option is highly debatable too and of course the first item on the agenda is to actually get 582 dismantled and moved to Bruntingthorpe!

-RP

[MAINJAFAD]

ITAR regulations for the Phantom are quite specific, no power of any type on the airframe, even electrical power for lighting.

[Rhino power]

In that case then, we can only hope the ITAR regs are relaxed a little in the future...

-RP

[MAINJAFAD]

Not going to happen, period. The only 'Civilian' registered flying Phantom in the world required an act of Congress to bypass the US ITAR regulations for that particular organisation to allow it to be operated.

[Alber Ratman]

You going Nutty? Plan to be there myself. MJ is right about the ITAR regulations, they are very specific on what one can do with the items they refer to. Static display means exactly that. I'm involved with a museum that has just been loaned from the USAFM, A10 ser no 80-0219 that was at Alconbury. ITAR applies to it (even though it technically is still owned by the US government). We also have an F4 frame we have acquired from Everett Aero. It was sold to us with exactly the same ITAR provisions as every other F4 sold by the MoD. Static display only. Break that and get caught doing it will see you likely losing your purchase. Getting 582 down from Scotland is not going to be cheap either. It would likely cost the price GJD paid for her to move her. The wing has to come off, period. At 28 feet with the outers off, she will not get permission for a road move in that state. I have heard little on what has happened since Gary saved the day, but no doubts it will be a topic of conversation with people we know on Sunday.

[NutLoose]

Hopefully yes :) will drag the old box brownie along and take a few snaps too, weather permitting. It will make a change from taking pictures of birds..

[RAF_Techie101]

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[pasta]

Not quite the same thing (they'd be on the military register, for starters) but I read somewhere that HHA may be considering getting some Phantoms...

[Rhino power]

Not quite the same thing (they'd be on the military register, for starters) but I read somewhere that HHA may be considering getting some Phantoms...

HHA already have a ground instructional F-4F (I forget the serial) at Scampton, they're also getting one flyer, 38+48, which is already on the British military register as ZK848. As I understand it, ZK848 will be based at Manching and flown by an EADS pilot, it will be operated out of Scampton as and when needed.

-RP

[exmanman]

If you want to see Lightnings, Buccaneers, Hunters, VC10 and a Victor amongst others, such as Nimrod, JPs and a Canberra screaming up and down a runway, well it's on this weekend, see

Open Days | Bruntingthorpe Aircraft Museum (http://www.bruntingthorpeaviation.com/open-days/)

Thank you to everyone involved in what must have been a lot of hard unpaid work to put on such an enjoyable day for everybody. It was like airshows used to be before all the commercialism and BS kicked in.
And I know it wasn't strictly an airshow per se,but it was wonderful to be so close to our wonderful heritage jets,breathe in the warm Avtur and have your innards well and truly rattled!
I never cease to be amazed at how tiny the Gnat is,and in comparison how big the Buccs and Lightnings are. I thought the BBMF Spitfire was particularly spirited and seemed a lot faster than the many previous BBMF singleton displays I have seen.
Well done ladies and gentlemen I shall look forward to the next one.
P.S. What happened to the Nimrod's rudder?!?

[NutLoose]

It was good wasn't it, I will pop a few pics up later.

Incidentally, they were caught by surprise as they do not normally get the amount of folks they did, so the crowd line was a bit squashed, but they were saying they may try to extend it, they cannot at the moment make it longer as they have to allow for a tyre burst and an aircraft slewing off the runway.

They could have done with more staff on the crowd line to stop the incursions past the barrier and up behind the jets launching off, I couldn't believe the stupidity of some people taking young children up behind high powered jets, I am just glad no one got injured and I would hate to think what might of happened if an engine let go. At least later on some of the staff tried to address the problem.

But bar that, an excellent day out, well organised and run, a credit to a lot of hard work that goes into behind the scenes to generate the aircraft and to staff the show.

[exmanman]

I agree, they should probably close off the tow-in / marshalling area,but I am reluctant to criticise them as I'm sure they do the utmost with what they've got and rely on fair play and common sense from Joe Public to behave sensibly and respectfully (naive I know) , sadly the nutters will be the first to scream if anything happens to them as a result of their own stupidity.
Possibly more alarming was the amount of people walking around in fully-badged flying suits who had no involvement with any of the aircraft present or probably any aircraft anywhere? !? There should be a law against it ! :)

[Alber Ratman]

Packed out.. Not surprising with the own goal the IWM did today.. Nutty, I missed you, but I saw everyone else I was hoping to see (and some idiots I was not hoping to see as well, but I digress). Bob Tuxfords books seemed to be doing well. His plug on the prize draw was worth it. Piggy's driving was up to his usual high standard too.:ok:

Networking for my projects and others was progressed too. Buccs were awesome.

[Alber Ratman]

Exmanman, you have a fair point indeed. Always a problem one can see, but if the frames on the static/runner line are not available to the public, the whole essence of the day is defeated a bit. If you have aircraft being towed, the teams must pre brief on what , how , when to deal with joe public if moving a frame. I was one of those on the entry point, not as bad as some others (thom manners had left them), but I can see what yo mean, 50 metre tape across it would not be hard.

[Wander00]

What was Duxford problem, other than having to book in advance?

[NutLoose]

Well dragged the Old Box Brownie out and took a few snaps, unfortunately Flickr is having problems, so here is one I popped on Photobucket until I can post more..


Dedicated to WIWOL'S who sadly left us recently.






http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff321/taylortony/Lightning%20taxy_zpskssyilpj.jpg~original

[NutLoose]

And after a little Photoshop trickery, the same image, who says the camera does not lie :)




http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff321/taylortony/Lightning%20return_zpsehxaj7e6.jpg~original

[Treble one]

With all due respect to all the other fast taxi runners, who were all excellent, and are incredibly well presented and maintained, nothing is quite like the compression one feels in the chest when the Lightning gives it the beans with both burners plugged in......


A truly incredible aircraft, even now 55 plus years since it came into service....

[CoffmanStarter]

Nutty ...

Usual high standard of photograph from you ... Well played :ok:

[brokenlink]

Problem with Duxford was that only pre bought tickets were permitted which apparently saw coaches being turned away. This coupled with the fiver charged for car parking meant that it was rather quiet. To be fair I suspect the changes were made to reduce queuing traffic on the approach roads, however if they had allowed people to pay on the day at the Park and Ride sites and then be bussed in that would have avoided so many disappointed people. Let's hope they review things before Flying Legends!

[Treble one]

Problem with Duxford was that only pre bought tickets were permitted which apparently saw coaches being turned away. This coupled with the fiver charged for car parking meant that it was rather quiet. To be fair I suspect the changes were made to reduce queuing traffic on the approach roads, however if they had allowed people to pay on the day at the Park and Ride sites and then be bussed in that would have avoided so many disappointed people. Let's hope they review things before Flying Legends!


Currently all Shows at Duxford in 2016 are advance ticket only brokenlink. I did talk to someone in the know a few weeks ago and was told that the ticket sales for the same show were half as many as the same stage last year.


I was there on Saturday and it was very quiet indeed for a Duxford show.

[NutLoose]

Just a couple from me from Bruntingthorpe to start with :)


https://c8.staticflickr.com/8/7432/27360665895_761b1a4956_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/HFLyJT)


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[Wander00]

Well I had to pass Duxford to get to Stansted from Cambridge and found there was a classic car show on at the airfield. The A505 roundabout was blocked by people going to the airfield, no police control and the people (nearly used another word) were very reluctant to leave a gap on the roundabout to let cars get to the M11. I think they went ticket-only after the 2 Lancasters were there a couple of years ago and closed the gates at 0930 and not even Friends of Duxford could get in.

[NutLoose]

:)

https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7176/27086474660_8769213869_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/HgxgeN)

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[bluetail]

I made the long trip down to Brunty from Moray and have to agree that it was a great weekend. Sadly Nimrod XV226 had a few too many problems that stopped it doing any sort of taxy run. Not including the rudder (which I believe is going to be replaced) I was on board for the pre show ground run on Sunday essentially to check out the stubborn #2 Engine out (from Saturday) , all went fine until it just quit, we found the snag quite quickly once it was shut down, but the brakes were also a bit spongy as well, so Bob T called it a day and we pulled her onto Bay 1. a bit of a shame really as Bob was really keen to do a very gently slow taxy for the crowd. The guys and gals at Brunty are superb and all of them love their aircraft to bits, but I have to admit the Lightning was something else.

[Avtur]

Thanks Techie 101 for the Nimrod video. XV226 was a great aircraft (especially at St Mawgan- banter!), so it was lovely to see her performing so well in her retirement.

Well done, and thank you to everyone who keeps these great aircraft going.

[exmanman]

http://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNm6UXum5Q3xj0N0_kuZ-IXTrhTGHV3hgFNAz1h

[exmanman]

and some more
I'll put the URL links in tomorrow

[exmanman]

:)

https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7176/27086474660_8769213869_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/HgxgeN)

https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7099/27086459980_72c69255cc_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/HgxbSG)

https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7027/27264223702_f1443c1a97_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/HxfgQs)
It's a shame that those that didn't go missed out on the secret flypasts Nutloose :)

[glad rag]

40GA, those were the days.....

[salad-dodger]

What did you use to take those pictures exmanman?

S-D

[exmanman]

S-D

Mine were taken with my Samsung S4.

I wonder if you meant Nutloose's ace pictures which I just happened to quote?

[GeeRam]

With all due respect to all the other fast taxi runners, who were all excellent, and are incredibly well presented and maintained, nothing is quite like the compression one feels in the chest when the Lightning gives it the beans with both burners plugged in......

A truly incredible aircraft, even now 55 plus years since it came into service....

Indeed.

Perhaps just as remarkable, is that by the end of this year, the LPG team will have been maintaining/fast taxiing a live Lightning for longer than the aircraft served the RAF in frontline squadron service :eek:
Not to mention taking on another one (now two with the static F.3) and rescuing and rebuilding the Wattisham Q shed etc.
Remarkable :ok:

[NutLoose]

Thanks for the kind words Exmanman, if you meant mine.

Mine were taken with a Box Brownie :O .... Ok, I own up, I used a

Canon 1DX with a Canon 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L IS II and a Canon 1.4x III Convertor and are cropped down from the originals.

Lightning pictures in the QRA sheds and outside it were with a Canon 24-105mm F/4 L lens

[Treble one]

Indeed.

Perhaps just as remarkable, is that by the end of this year, the LPG team will have been maintaining/fast taxiing a live Lightning for longer than the aircraft served the RAF in frontline squadron service :eek:
Not to mention taking on another one (now two with the static F.3) and rescuing and rebuilding the Wattisham Q shed etc.
Remarkable :ok:

It is remarkable indeed GeeRam. And having met them several times what a great bunch of lads they are. They truly love their Lightnings.....

[NutLoose]

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[NutLoose]

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[NutLoose]

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[NutLoose]

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[NutLoose]

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[NutLoose]

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[Alber Ratman]

I wasn't far away from you Nutty, at the bottom of the bank mostly. Bloke with the desert DPM pork pie on. A grand day out.

[Turbine D]

NutLoose,

Really great photos, thanks!

TD

[cyflyer]

Hi guys. Was considering going to Bruntingthorpe end of this month for Cold War Jets day, for the first time, and was wondering how it works. Does each jet do one taxi and take off run and then thats it, or do they do multiple runs ? Do you need to get there early to get a good flight line place ?

[cyflyer]

Nobody on this thread thats been to Bruntingthorpe can give me answer ? I just want to plan my video and photo taking opportunities of the aircraft and need to know if I have only one chance, or more, for each take-off run. Thanks.

[andrewn]

Nobody on this thread thats been to Bruntingthorpe can give me answer ? I just want to plan my video and photo taking opportunities of the aircraft and need to know if I have only one chance, or more, for each take-off run. Thanks.

So I've not been a regular for a number of years, but I would assume:

Only one run per a/c
front row gets busy

[H Peacock]

cyflyer.

It's been a while since I was last involved, but I'm sure that after start each type taxied up and down the first part of the runway (ie abeam the spectators) prior to lining up and doing a 'take-off' run. Following the aborted high-speed run the aircraft was taxied back past the crowd to the ORP on the far side of the runway.

I'm not sure now whether some of larger aircraft are parked elsewhere prior to their run. I'm sure we did two similar sessions per aircraft type throughout the day.

[ZD241_VC10]

cyflyer.

It's been a while since I was last involved, but I'm sure that after start each type taxied up and down the first part of the runway (ie abeam the spectators) prior to lining up and doing a 'take-off' run. Following the aborted high-speed run the aircraft was taxied back past the crowd to the ORP on the far side of the runway.

I'm not sure now whether some of larger aircraft are parked elsewhere prior to their run. I'm sure we did two similar sessions per aircraft type throughout the day.

The mini jets tend to taxi around a little before their high speed runs. The larger stuff tends to be positioned to go either first in the show from the runway or from the far side "ORP" and are obviously more limited in manoeuvrability.

The VC10 is obviously the most limited and will tend to go first (pre-positioned on the runway) or last on the day. It will do a single run and then be positioned either on a pan in the spectator area, or if last will taxi up to the crowd to allow access.

[cyflyer]

Thanks for the replies guys. Its the one airshow I,ve never been to, but discovered it recently online, and thought I'd like to go there. The website doesn't really give much detail. Being that I enjoy taking photos, and a bit of video, my thought was if I take some shots during one run, I can do some video during the next run of the same aircraft. If there is only one run per aircraft, and there are not so many aircraft, then what is happening the rest of the time ? It would be over very quickly. Is it safe to assume that there will be runs of Comet, VC10, Lightning, Bucceneers, Nimrod, Victor ?
"Front row gets busy", do you recommend being there at 9.00 to guarantee a place ?

[ZD241_VC10]

The website doesn't really give much detail. Being that I enjoy taking photos, and a bit of video, my thought was if I take some shots during one run, I can do some video during the next run of the same aircraft. If there is only one run per aircraft, and there are not so many aircraft, then what is happening the rest of the time ? It would be over very quickly. Is it safe to assume that there will be runs of Comet, VC10, Lightning, Bucceneers, Nimrod, Victor ?
"Front row gets busy", do you recommend being there at 9.00 to guarantee a place ?

The rest of the time will be positioning of aircraft, starting up, shutting down etc, which is generally all done at "crowd centre" purely due to the space limitations of the site. The smaller aircraft are parked in the crowd area to allow public viewing so have to be towed out onto the runway before anything can happen.:)

Of those running the ones you mention are probably safe to assume, although the Comet has only just starting running again after a few years off.

[cyflyer]

Thanks, I'm looking forward to it. From your name, I can assume there's one particular aircraft you'll be wanting to see.

[RedhillPhil]

As people like Lightnings this is a 1/48 model of one - NOT made by me.

[ZD241_VC10]

Thanks, I'm looking forward to it. From your name, I can assume there's one particular aircraft you'll be wanting to see.

We see an awful lot of her!:}

[cyflyer]

Following the recent discussion, I just wanted to add that I went to Bruntingthorpe on Sunday, and thoroughly enjoyed it. It was amazing, and will be on my permanent list from now on. My earlier quieries have now been self answered. From the exellent opportunity to get up close to the aircraft before the taxying event, to the noise (!) and exitement of the start-ups and taxy runs, to the post show getting close to aircraft and being able to chat to the crews. To their credit, the crews hung about afterwards, and chatted at leisure to people, showed kids into aircraft, and posed for photos, they were great. Not everthing runs to plan though, and the gremlins are plentiful. The Comet had a hydraulics failure the day before and the nose gear wasn't working so wasn't displayed, not even to veiw statically, the Nimrod limped to the start line then limped away, apparently also with a hydraulic failure so no brakes working, only emergency braking the Delphin jet taxied to the start line but abandoned his attempt after his nose wheel jammed, and was towed away, one of the two hunters, the twin seater, started his run then immediately fizzled out as it was obvious he had engine problems. Apart from that, everything else ran smoothly ! Overall, a great day out, and well done to everyone that makes it happen. I look forward to August's event. Here's a scene from yesterday:

http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr327/eurocypria/DSC_0252.jpg

[YellowTom]

Does the museum let the public look inside the Nimrod on regular Sunday openings?

[Exnomad]

I worked for many years on various bits and bobs at attached to V bombers, Canberra s, and others, never as far a I knew had anything fall off. could have been big bang if some of them had. visited many RAF and RN-AS stations.
Interesting career, now sadly passed

[cyflyer]

Just a little heads-up concerning the forthcoming August Cold War Jets at Bruntingthorpe day, as I was looking forward to going again, its been cancelled ! Yep, cancelled. Obviously other commercial interests have prevailed. Highly dissapointed.

Open Days | Bruntingthorpe Aircraft Museum (http://www.bruntingthorpeaviation.com/open-days/)

[PTR 175]

Yellow Tom,

Last time I was there the Nimrod was open. Being an ex Nimrod Avionics Tech, I was in there with a friend giving him a guided tour. By the end of our visit to the mighty hunter we had gained a few extra interested people..