View Full Version : Further MH370 BBC article - 12 May
Phoenix1969
12th May 2016, 09:59
For interest MH370: Mauritius and South Africa debris 'almost certainly' from missing plane - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36273194)
hotmail
10th Jun 2016, 07:01
More pieces found by the same guy.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/mh370-search-two-more-pieces-of-plane-debris-found-in-madagascar
Lazerdog
26th Jun 2016, 13:05
Did the investigators ever execute a test flight with the ACARS pinging away to test that INMARSAT trajectory? Would certainly have helped to characterize some of the uncertainties in the theory that was used to dictate the search area.
Phoenix1969
29th Jun 2016, 13:35
Did the investigators ever execute a test flight with the ACARS pinging away to test that INMARSAT trajectory?
Very good point. Would have been a good idea, no?
MATELO
29th Jun 2016, 17:55
Comparison data
To check its theory, Inmarsat compared its predictions with six other B777 aircraft flying on the same day in various directions, which resulted in a good match.
The analysis fitted well with the southern corridor, according to the report, and depending on the ground speed of the aircraft, it was then possible to estimate positions at 00:11 UTC – when the last complete handshake took place.
Malaysian government publishes MH370 details from UK AAIB - Inmarsat (http://www.inmarsat.com/news/malaysian-government-publishes-mh370-details-uk-aaib/)
Phoenix1969
15th Jul 2016, 10:03
MH370 relatives' anger at 'ignored' debris - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36791241)
What are PPRUNE-ers' thoughts on why the Malaysians are (allegedly) showing so little interest in examining Blaine G's latest finds?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/21/mh370-hunt-team-leading-search-says-they-may-have-been-looking-in-wrong-place
DaveReidUK
21st Jul 2016, 06:50
A bit of a logic fail in that article, typical of the standard of modern journalism:
engineers from the Dutch group Fugro said on Thursday that they now believe the plane may have glided down rather than dived in the final momentsThe basis for that astounding conclusion (not supported by any of the investigating parties) is not that there is any new evidence about the flightpath, but simply the fact that the search so far hasn't found the wreckage.
Phoenix1969
22nd Jul 2016, 10:44
A bit of a logic fail in that article, typical of the standard of modern journalism
Kind of. I think what they're implying is that, if they don't find the plane in the priority search zone, that raises the possibility that it glided some distance rather than spiralling down when the fuel ran out, spiralling having been their working assumption so far in setting the priority search zone I believe.
Here's a new BBC article, although IMO the announcement looks slightly driven by a desire to tell the relatives what they want to hear - MH370: Search for missing plane to be suspended not shut down - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36863527)
Phoenix1969
23rd Jul 2016, 07:54
MH370: 'My brother did not commit this heinous crime' - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36870116)
spiralling having been their working assumption so far in setting the priority search zone I believe.Yes. The final satellite logon and the recovered debris seem consistent with a spiral dive. But that doesn't mean that was necessarily the case... they may be consistent, but they don't prove it.
Fantome
25th Jul 2016, 11:07
Where has the long thread about the search for MH370 gone? Has it been pulled?
Today's THE AUSTRALIAN newspaper has a page one article by a Boeing 777 captain , Bryan Bailey, who has been contributing articles for over two years.
He maintains that it was suicide/murder job and that the FBI has know for over two years that Captain Shah had practised a flight on his home sim deep into the southern Indian Ocean. Bailey holds that the many in high places who sat on that information are complicit in the misuse of many millions of dollars . . the greater part out of the pockets of the Australian taxpayer. He calls for a Senate inquiry into the matter.
vctenderness
25th Jul 2016, 14:39
Don't fully understand the point. The aircraft still needs to be found and the search would have carried on regardless of an admission of suicide/mass murder.
Not sure if a 'misuse of many millions of dollars' would hold up based on that alone.
TEEEJ
25th Jul 2016, 16:23
Fantome wrote
Where has the long thread about the search for MH370 gone? Has it been pulled?
The long thread was closed. See following link.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost.html
MH370 Pilot Flew Suicide Route on Home Simulator -- NYMag (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/mh370-pilot-flew-suicide-route-on-home-simulator.html)
"New York has obtained a confidential document from the Malaysian police investigation into the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 that shows that the plane’s captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, conducted a simulated flight deep into the remote southern Indian Ocean less than a month before the plane vanished under uncannily similar circumstances. "
On a related note:
Nobody seems to think that the aircraft was on auto-pilot from 01:21 to 02:22 (the time during which the transponders were off but radar has given a track) when it flew down to Penang and then turned north-west. So why the assumption that it was, a few hours later?
The long thread was closed. See following link.
I presumed they were referring to the recent News and Rumours thread that vanished at some point in the last day or two.
Phoenix1969
27th Jul 2016, 13:14
MH370: Missing jet 'could be further north' - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36904981)
Phoenix1969
28th Jul 2016, 14:23
Flight MH370: chief investigator believes plane plunged into sea at 400km/hr - E & T Magazine (http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2016/jul/flight-mh370-plunge.cfm)
DaveReidUK
28th Jul 2016, 15:18
It's not immediately obvious how a RoD can be derived from satellite pings. As far as I can see, nobody except Geoff Thomas puts that interpretation on the new ATSB chief's comments.
It's not immediately obvious how a RoD can be derived from satellite pings.
As I understand it, the doppler shifts on the final logon messages are consistent with a high rate of descent. However, given the satellite terminal probably just rebooted after the engines failed, it's also possible that it was just a fluke while the transmitter was powering up.
Either way, it's one of the reasons for believing the aircraft probably spiralled in close to the final transmission.
"Plunging at 400kph" is actually 215 kts.
DaveReidUK
29th Jul 2016, 12:48
"Plunging at 400kph" is actually 215 kts.
Or, to put it another way, descending at 22,000 ft/min - I'll settle for "plunging". :O
dogsridewith
30th Jul 2016, 14:08
USA TV news story within the last couple days was the finding of a simulation flying route on the pilot's home computer that landed above the deepest place in the Indian Ocean...with commentator speculation that landing would be smooth to minimize breakup. (I checked PPRUNE for any more info on this seemingly interesting news, and this seems to be the most recently posted thread w/ MH370 in the title.)
DaveReidUK
30th Jul 2016, 15:07
USA TV news story within the last couple days was the finding of a simulation flying route on the pilot's home computer that landed above the deepest place in the Indian Ocean...with commentator speculation that landing would be smooth to minimize breakup.
Which part of that is news ?
The Aussie guy is suggesting that the flaperon found earlier had been 'deployed' before hitting the water ..does this suggest a controlled ditching?
he also said the fuel on board was enough to fly to Beijing and back plus another 7 hours ! That the a/c had been full to the brim..i would have thought the authorities know exactly how much fuel they had on board right?
i would have thought the authorities know exactly how much fuel they had on board right?
The aircraft reported its fuel load before ACARS went silent. So, yes, they know exactly how much was on board at that point (to within the accuracy of the ACARS report).
so is it the case that the pilot had uploaded an awful lot of extra fuel ..above and beyond for a normal flight?
oh btw why is mh 370 in the spectators/spotters area now ? seems bit strange