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Cyclic Hotline
27th Jun 2002, 13:48
There is probably another one of these in the works, after a fire caused by an R-44, (which also consumed it), about a month ago in Galena, Alaska!


State sues helicopter pilot named, aviation and electric companies for wildfire


The Associated Press

(Published: June 26, 2002)

Fairbanks -- The state has filed a $3.6 million civil lawsuit against Golden Valley Electric Association and the man who piloted the helicopter that the state says started an 84,000-acre wildfire last year.

Pilot Larry Larrivee's company, Naknek-based Pollux Aviation, is also named in the suit. Larrivee was ferrying workers to a right-of-way clearing site for construction of the northern intertie power line when the fire started on June 20, 2001.

The suit alleges that Larrivee landed his helicopter in tall, dry grass during an extreme fire danger alert. The helicopter's exhaust system ignited the grass, the suit said.

A passenger leaving the helicopter saw the blaze and told Larrivee to take off, which he did. The wind from the helicopter rotors further fueled the fire and quickly caused it to grow despite the efforts of those on the ground to extinguish the flames.

Larrivee said he reported the fire to authorities. The suit alleges that Larrivee and his passengers did not make a reasonable effort to control the fire.

The lawsuit also says Golden Valley and Larrivee did not exercise proper care to avoid fire during an extreme fire danger and should have had firefighting equipment on hand.

The state right-of-way permit required Golden Valley, its contractors, subcontractors and their workers to make every effort to prevent, control and suppress fires and to repay damages.

The state is seeking double damages, said Kevin Saxby, assistant attorney general.

"We're only asking them for suppression costs," Saxby said. "Not the trees they burned up."

The cost of suppressing the blaze is about $2.9 million, Saxby said. The federal government will reimburse approximately $1 million to the state. The state is seeking twice the remaining amount, which is allowable under state law.

Golden Valley president Steve Haagenson said Monday he had not seen the lawsuit and could not comment.

Larrivee declined comment when reached by phone on Monday.

Lu Zuckerman
27th Jun 2002, 14:26
Section 10 of the R-44 POH contains safety notices. Safety Notice SN-17 states among other things:

NEVER LAND IN TALL DRY GRASS

The engine exhaust is very hot and can easily ignite tall grass or brush. One R-22 was completely destroyed by fire after a normal landing in tall grass.

Many automobile manufacturers have a similar caution relative to the catalytic converter causing grass fires.

:eek:

Flying Lawyer
27th Jun 2002, 14:42
Larrivee declined comment when reached by phone on Monday.

I bet he did!
Sounds like he's been given some very sensible legal advice. :D

Tudor Owen

SASless
27th Jun 2002, 15:56
Another Robbie Success Story!

Cheap Ain't!

John Eacott
28th Jun 2002, 00:36
Anything a Robbie can do, an Aircrane can do better......:cool: :D :D

http://www.helicopterservice.com.au/photos/Burning%20Aircrane.jpg

Hone22
28th Jun 2002, 23:19
WaaaHoo!


Never seen an aircrane do that before:)


Got the general impression the fire was ment to be on the ground and the ac in the air putting out said fire.

So what happened?????

Looks like a fuel leak????? ................John?


The H300 was also a classic with many fires & burnt out ac due the placement of the exhaust system.

Cyclic Hotline
28th Jun 2002, 23:47
Report on this incident here.

Safecom (http://www.aviation.fs.fed.us/safecom/psearchone.asp?ID=3320)

Steve76
29th Jun 2002, 00:13
When I worked the NT of OZ, this was a major problem with the R44. One of our machines did the same thing and got singed up the LH side quite noticeably.

I tried to get the engineers to investigate making a shield to fold the grass down as you land but it never got off the ground (certification etc...) I actually took the time to display to pax how to exit and clear away the grass safely just after I landed. It was the best solution to a unresolvable problem.

Its a classic example of how unsuited the R44 is to this bush style commercial work.
Having said that, the same occurs to R22's and H269's. There was conviction in NZ in the mid 90's about a similar incident in a national park caused by a H300.

Thats a cool photo of the crane (pun intended)
I once saw an 76 do the same after a couple of fuel lines got swapped during an engine change.
:rolleyes:

Cyclic Hotline
12th Jul 2002, 19:51
Looks like things are just getting worse in this story! Also looks like hge's heeding Flying Lawyer's advice and remaining silent!


Native corporation seeks damages from Fish Creek fire
TOGHOTTHELE:Company asks for $27 million lost in 2001 blaze.
The Associated Press (Published: July 12, 2002)

Fairbanks -- A Nenana Native corporation has filed a $27 million lawsuit against Golden Valley Electric Association and its subcontractors for damages caused by the 2001 Fish Creek fire.

The suit, filed by Toghotthele Corp., charges that GVEA, the Fairbanks-area rural electric cooperative, and its subcontractors did not prevent or suppress the fire, which started while they were clearing land for an intertie project.

"We do have lost resources, and we would like to recoup those lost resources," said Edna Hancock, Toghotthele president.

Proact Alaska, Pollux Aviation and Pollux owner Larry Larrivee are also named in Toghotthele's suit.

The lawsuit is the second related to the Fish Creek fire. Last month, the state filed suit seeking $3.6 million, a portion of its suppression costs, from GVEA, Pollux Aviation and Larrivee. Proact Alaska was not named in that suit.

According to a state investigation, Larrivee was ferrying Proact Alaska workers to a work site near Clear to clear trees and brush to prepare a right of way for construction of the Northern Intertie, GVEA's 100-mile Healy-to-Fairbanks electrical power line. The investigation concluded that the exhaust system of Larrivee's helicopter ignited dry grass during extreme fire conditions.

The fire started June 20 and burned 84,000 acres over the summer. Of that, 31,644 acres south of Nenana are owned by Toghotthele, Hancock said. Toghotthele charges that $958,178 worth of marketable timber was destroyed by the fire, according to a lawsuit filed July 8 by Mike Walleri, Toghotthele's attorney.

The corporation wants $6 million for the lost market value of the land and $2.3 million for restoration and reforestation. Hancock said the land and timber values were derived from a 1999 survey of all 138,000 acres the corporation was given under the 1971 Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act.

Toghotthele is asking triple the damage amount, which company officials believe is allowed under state law, said Hancock, the corporation president.

Pollux owner Larrivee and representatives of Proact Alaska could not be reached by the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner.

GVEA is questioning the legal and factual merits of the case, said Steve Haagenson, GVEA president. GVEA did not directly start the fire, he said.

"There's a lot not known here and there," he said. "There is lots more to be talked about."