Pionair to operate Virgin Cargo BAe146's

[BPA]

Pionair will operate 2 BAe 146's for Virgin Cargo. Add in today's Australian for crew, based in Cairns, Melbourne or Adelaide.

The original plan for VARA to operate them has been shelved.

[Brakerider]

Could somebody post some details of the ad? Doesn't show up on AFAP yet

[RATpin]

2 146 + 1 737-300,time frame was the issue with the VARA operation. Wet lease the solution,apparently.

[Centaurus]

Could somebody post some details of the ad? Doesn't show up on AFAP yet
Maybe the AFAP are wary of the advertisement for some reason? Rumour is pay for your own type ratings up front...

[BPA]

Nauru Airlines and Airwork are the ones most likely to operate the B737-300.

[vhxxxx]

Pionair was the parent company of Skyforce aka Skyforce Australia which went into administration last year. Skyforce owned the Bae 146s. The Bae 146s have been at Bankstown for years. VH SIF is a QC and never got airbourne , whilst the other is the ex Vincent Aviation one. There is another QC owned by Skyforce in Europe which has been used for spares.

[dodgybrothers]

Geez it smells like amann aviation.
How desperate is she to make this deal?

[STOL Artist]

Rumour is pay for your own type ratings up front...

Don't think they will need to look far - plenty of 146 drivers here in Oz already

[TwoFiftyBelowTen]

.....and they have the mighty CV580 for backup!
One flying, one not?

[AerocatS2A]

Don't think they will need to look far - plenty of 146 drivers here in Oz already
Yeah but how many 146 drivers, who aren't already employed as 146 drivers, want to fly a 146 on night freight?

[SpyderPig]

Quote:
Originally Posted by STOL Artist View Post
Don't think they will need to look far - plenty of 146 drivers here in Oz already

Yeah but how many 146 drivers, who aren't already employed as 146 drivers, want to fly a 146 on night freight?
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[ChillinInTheDesert]

Hi Gents,

Could someone please tell me what AFAP stands for?

Many thanks.

[TBM-Legend]

Let's whine about more flying jobs!

[4 Holer]

Great news more competition, more jobs. I read 2 x 146s one flying one spare.

[FIXF100]

Anyone know who will be carrying out the maintenance on these aircraft and where?

[Capn Bloggs]

Could someone please tell me what AFAP stands for?

All Future Air pilots for Pion. :ok:

Bloggs you sciolist!

[ChillinInTheDesert]

Many thanks.

[Snakecharma]

chillin don't listen to him :)

It means the Australian Federation of Air Pilots (one of the pilot unions in Australia)

[aussie027]

Here is the ad, up on AFAP now--

BAe146 Crews

Pionair Australia operates BAe146-200QT aircraft and Convair 580 freighters throughout Australia, PNG, South East Asia and the South Pacific.

Following the recent award of a significant cargo contract, we are looking for Training Captains, Captains and First Officers to fly the BAe146-200QT aircraft, based in Cairns, Melbourne or Adelaide.

Preference will be given to crew with existing type ratings.

The successful candidates will become part of a progressive and vigorous company that is dedicated to providing a highly professional and rewarding working environment.

Pionair as an employer promotes the individual’s prospects for advancement and actively encourages initiative and strong participation in a team environment as well as offering stability and a career path offering variety and opportunity for the right applicant.

Please email: [email protected] with your basic resume to receive individually, an information pack, terms and conditions and opportunity to formally apply.

[ChillinInTheDesert]

Thanks a lot!!

[Icarus2001]

Yeah but how many 146 drivers, who aren't already employed as 146 drivers, want to fly a 146 on night freight?

Well all the boys and girls in Adelaide, Melbourne and Brisbane are only doing night freight since the loss of the Santos contract.

Probably a few in the West who would like to move East?

[TBM-Legend]

Yeah but how many 146 drivers, who aren't already employed as 146 drivers, want to fly a 146 on night freight?

Don't fly then, drive for Uber or Yellow Cabs...pick your own hours too!

[4 Holer]

That's interesting the 146 is also a 4 holer and a freighter ??. Well done on that contract.:D

[Duck Pilot]

Are any of the Convairs still flying?

Very experienced management team running Pionair, I wish them all the best.

[BPA]

At least one Convair (VH-PDW) is still flying. It was in Darwin last week before heading back to Cairns.

[AerocatS2A]

Well all the boys and girls in Adelaide, Melbourne and Brisbane are only doing night freight since the loss of the Santos contract.

Probably a few in the West who would like to move East?
Yep they are. So they're not going to be jumping ship anytime soon unless they think they're in danger of being pushed and I think Cobham may have sucked up any local 146 experience in the past couple of years.

[Homesick-Angel]

Direct entry captain
5000 hours - 3000 jet.

FO
1500 TT - 500 multi and ATPLS

Fund your own t rating, they'll pay it back over 24months.

[Duck Pilot]

Thanks BPA, that's good to hear.

[Manubada]

What's the going cost for a 146-200 TR?


Ansett have a sim in Tulla' it would seem.


Manu'

[XPT]

So isn't one of those 146-200's a QC ?


If so, with most freight being moved Mon-Thu evenings, will that mean they will offer aircraft for passenger charter Fri-Sun ?


Wonder if a 146-200 with approx. 84 seats would be cheaper than an 80 seater F70 to charter ?


If so, they could be on a winner, as huge demand for such on Fri & Sun's.

[galdian]

Just wondering - initial reports said 146 and 737-300 but no discussion of who will operate the 73-3??

Apologies if I've missed something along the way.

[Cleared for take-off]

Wonder what type of progression they are referring to?
There seems to be little info about this company on the net..

[Snakecharma]

How can Ansett justify 35.5k for a 146 endorsement on a very old depreciated sim? The cost of a course is usually, in a big part, driven by the usage costs for the sim. The newer the sim the more expensive it is and the more it costs to use it.

The 146 sim is old and been paid for about 100 times over so how they can charge an over the top amount is beyond me, the coursework IP costs shouldn't be too excessive.

[coaldemon]

If it replicates a 146 properly wouldn't it be costing a heap in maintenance and down time? :)

[Snakecharma]

Good point! Though the virtual engine changes are probably quicker!

I wonder if they have a supply of dirty socks to pump the scent into the sim can during a session :)

[justinga]

So whose the management team behind this?
Is it a reincarnation of Barrier?

[Falling Leaf]

How can Ansett justify 35.5k for a 146 endorsement on a very old depreciated sim?

Maybe they have adopted the industry practice of placing a 'management' fee' on top of the actual cost, thereby taking what should be a cost (training) over into the revenue column (stealing out of your back pocket).

[Cloud Cutter]

Maybe they have adopted the industry practice of placing a 'management' fee' on top of the actual cost, thereby taking what should be a cost (training) over into the revenue column (stealing out of your back pocket).
I think you may be misunderstanding their (Ansett Aviation Training's) business model. Training revenue forms the vast majority of their income - that's the basis for their business. They can charge whatever they think will maximise their profit - nothing wrong with it, they are not giving charity. If the market deems their rate too high, they will go elsewhere. The fact that there is no simple 'elsewhere' for a 146 rating on a CASA license is probably justification enough for what may seem like a high price.

[TBM-Legend]

If you don't like the Ansett rates simply go somewhere else. Free market>>like jobs, if you don't like the pay and conditions then choose another employer

[AerocatS2A]

Where else do you go for a 146 rating? Not that it matters to me, I already have one.

[4 Holer]

Justinga, I think a Heavylift guy or two.:cool:

[Stationair8]

Any time frame for commencing operations yet?

[AerocatS2A]

I had heard 1st of July, presumably actually the 4th as freight tends not to move over the weekend.

[Snakecharma]

Without being too cynical I think the big question will be 1 July which year?

I can't believe that any organisation can add a new type as quickly as was required here. Not for want of trying or good intention but I just can't see casa getting through all the work necessary

[wishiwasupthere]

Pretty sure Pionair's 146s have been sitting at Bankstown for a few years so would be surprised if they didn't already have them on an AOC.

[Icarus2001]

"Sitting at Bankstown" therefore they must be on an AOC?

Even if they were was it a freight AOC?

[DutyofCare]

Virgin Australia's freight scramble begins to pay off (http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/virgin-australias-freight-scramble-begins-to-pay-off-20160428-goh5oz.html)

Well Well Well

Hey Marty, can you see a BAE 146 freighter anywhere :confused: :confused: :confused:

Merren, where's the NEW FREIGHTERS :{ :{ :{

How happy would TNT be today Marty :D :D :D

Is it the 1st of July today :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Kranky]

In all fairness the freighters may run tonight as tonight is still July 1.

Anything to do with aircraft is usually hurry up and wait.
Who knows............

[tourismman]

VH-SIF Pionair 146F was seen today at Bankstown.Flights start Monday not today.

A 2nd aircraft coming next month.

[BPA]

As tourismman said, flying starts on Monday night, however the official start date of the TNT contract is today.

[TWOTBAGS]

and..... and....

given the phone calls to all the brokers and forwarders this week, did somebody for get to get the slots sorted???

Before you spit venom, go read the curfew act and realise like someone in Bowen Hills has this week that the ACT actually allocates the dark o'clock slots to operators even if they aren't using them.

Given we are in car taker mode hoz that working for ya.

The solution, yeah that wold be a 63 year old turboprop..... yep modern technology that one.:E

[Falling Leaf]

Hey everyone, stop being so critical. The people running this outfit are from marketing, HR or accounts. What are they supposed to know about slots….aircraft…regulations….

[dodgybrothers]

It's ok merren will know what to do.

[VH-FTS]

It's ok merren will know what to do.

I was going to comment about MM and her success stories, then realised she is a lawyer by trade.

[AerocatS2A]

In all fairness the freighters may run tonight as tonight is still July 1.

Anything to do with aircraft is usually hurry up and wait.
Who knows............

I assume it is a Monday to Thursday operation like the others, hence the 4th July date for first flight.

[Section28- BE]

Nar- probably sholdn't........

Rgds
S28- BE

[SHVC]

So, are there any 146s in the air yet?

[Duck Pilot]

Well quite a few 146s where built, I recon a few are in the air now!

[AerocatS2A]

There's a Convair flying out of Adelaide tonight.

[Higs]

Airwork are running the 737 operation. Started last night on the East Coast run as the 146's are a week late. Boeing to run TAS and PER when the 146's are available.....:bored:

[bobsyauncle]

Airwork are running the 737 operation. Started last night on the East Coast run as the 146's are a week late. Boeing to run TAS and PER when the 146's are available.....:bored:

Any idea what the airwork 737 rego is?

Apparently 146 vh-sif still in titan livery flew Bankstown - Tamworth this afternoon...

[Higs]

ZK-TLE for the moment.

[pithblot]

What's the latest with this operation?

[vhxxxx]

Convair in BNE last 2 days . No sight of Bae146 as yet

[717tech]

According to Flightaware, it should land in about 40 mins.

[AerocatS2A]

There are two Pionair BAe146 operating regularly into Melbourne and Adelaide. Not sure where else they're going. One in TNT colors.

[Cravenmorehead]

One regularly in Hangar in Cairns and seen flying in and out. Bright shiny paint scheme as well.