Help needed in finding details of DC8 freighter incident

[Arkwright]

Hi All,

i remember a number of years ago, and incident involving what I remembered was a DC8 losing two engines during turbulence. When I say losing the engines, two fell off the wing! The aircraft made it back to terra firma OK but I cannot find any details on the incident! Any pointers please?

[The AvgasDinosaur]

I can't find a DC-8 incident to match your requirements.
Try these for size
https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19920331-0
https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19981114-0
Be lucky
David

[Newforest2]

https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19921004-2

There was the 747 that lost two engines in Amsterdam, but this was not a happy conclusion.

[Timber]

I think it was a Boeing 707 somewhere over France that lost two engines on one side many many years ago. It landed safely. :cool:

[The AvgasDinosaur]

Some candidate incidents here but can find no DC-8s
Be lucky
David
https://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Event=ACES

[JW411]

African-registered 707. Severe turbulence over southern France. Two engines fell off the starboard (?) wing. Successful emergency landing at Istres-le-Tube.
The F/O has never stopped talking about it. If pressed, I could probably arrange an audience but you might live to regret it.

[JW411]

Just a few minutes on Google tells me that it was a Nigerian-registered 707 en route from Luxemburg to Kano on 31.03.92. Severe turbulence - No.3 engine pylon failed and the departing ensemble took No.4 with it.

[wanabee777]

In 1967 a Delta DC-8 training flight crashed in Kenner, Louisiana, while attempting to fly a simulated 2 engine out approach at KMSY.

ASN Aircraft accident Douglas DC-8-51 N802E New Orleans, LA (http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19670330-0)

http://www3.gendisasters.com/louisiana/11580/new-orleans-la-plane-crashes-motel-mar-1967

[JW411]

c/n 18718: Delivered to PanAm 30.04.64 as N794PA. After a long and colourful career: registered 5N-MAS to Trans Air Services (at Manston) on 29.01.92. Damaged beyond repair 31.03.92. Didn't last long.

[JammedStab]

Best I can find is Kalitta losing an engine and 19 feet of the wing leading edge.

Clear Air Turbulence (http://www.vets.ucar.edu/vg/CAT/)
http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20001211X16147

[Arkwright]

Thanks chaps! It was the 707 incident that JW411 has mentioned. For some reason I was convinced myself that it was a DC8, so thats why my multiple Google searches came up blank!

:-)

[Sir Niall Dementia]

Bob Grimstead wrote it up in Pilot magazine a number of years ago.

JW411:D:D:D

SND

[Metro man]

I remember reading the report, initially the Captain didn't believe that the engines had fallen off and took some convincing.

[Fish Head on Final]

It Was 707 Luxemburg to Lagos I knew the loadmaster on that flight.
The lost the engines over France and where able to land in Military airport
There must by some report over this one year later the crew got awarded in the UK
F-O-F

[Lambrettaman]

I remember that Captain Bergland was working like crazy to control the aircraft after two engines had departed and the wing was on fire and trying to find a suitable airport to land the darn thing and then looking across at the F/O who was taking photos of the engineless wing !! He finally got it on the ground at Istres Air Force Base in France. Fantastic flying achievement despite the F/O.......... :D

[lotus1]

I believe it was actually filmed on French tv landing on foam run way or maybe getting confused with the one which came a cropper at Ostend

[ifonly]

...initially the Captain didn't believe that the engines had fallen off and took some convincing.

...then looking across at the F/O who was taking photos of the engineless wing

Perhaps it was the photos that convinced him;)

[Bob the Dog]

Captain Berglund from Denmark
First officer Emery from the UK
Loadmaster was a Fish head whom became a pilot/Captain himself on
the DC8F, insiders will know his name.

[Phileas Fogg]

one doesnt get closer to crashing than this, a true story! - Real World Aviation - Mutley's Hangar Forums (http://forum.mutleyshangar.com/index.php?/topic/13925-one-doesnt-get-closer-to-crashing-than-this-a-true-story/)

I hasten to add that I heard the true account from the loadmaster ... A lot different to how Emery tells the story!

[Bob the Dog]

Martin Emery, met him at ZAS of Egypt, the Zarkani Brothers, he was very fast on Dutch TV when ELAL B747F crashed into the Bijlmer flats at Amsterdam to tell how he saved a B707F in similair situation!!!!!!!!!

I was told it was Captain Berglund whom saved the aircraft but i'm sure the rest of the crew helped him.

[bankangle]

Captain Berglund, F/O Martin Emery and Flight Engineer Terry Boone.

All these crew freelanced with us and I had the pleasure of a very liquid night in Marseilles when the whole incident was talked through by the Captain and Terry ( who could not stop laughing ..... perhaps nervously!) but most of the jokes were at Martin's expense, he had tears rolling down his cheeks as he described Matin taking pictures while adopting Berglund's full rudder full left aileron pose at the controls -

It later transpired that the aircraft had suffered a very, very heavy landing on a ferry flight from Manston to Southend at the hands of Capt J*e R*y that was neither reported nor checked.

The aircraft flew from Southend to Luxembourg and then loaded for Kano, the engines fell off at the first onset of turbulence.

The touchdown was at over 200 knots and despite possibly the longest runway in France they did go "off the end" - hardly surprising with that amount of momentum, but a brilliant feat of flying.

I cannot remember Captain Berglunds's first name (Ingmar?) but he attributed his survival to his basic flying training with the Swedish Airforce as a fighter pilot.

A very modest gent, he continued to fly for us for some time.

[Dan_Brown]

That "Captain" of the Manston to Southend flight, is he still flying? One would hope not.

[bankangle]

His airline went bust and I understand he quit and returned to his homeland in Africa, specifically Uganda

[Phileas Fogg]

I knew Emery as a F/O back in the late 70's, early 80's. On the night when the clock were to go back would you believe he telephoned us during the night to ask if it was 2 or 3am yet so that he could put his clocks back and go to bed.

Yes, on the B707 incident, as I heard the story pretty much all they could get out of Emery was "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday" whilst the Captain would be hitting him around the head with a rolled up newspaper uttering something to the effect "They know we've got a f&+#ing problem, now try doing something useful" ... The rest of the crew exited the aircraft via the fwd door, Emery was out of that DV window and down the rope so fast he burned his hands on the rope :)

[Dan_Brown]

That "Captain"

Glad to hear it!

I shall now sleep soundly, for more reasons than one.