BA Cityflyer career progression

[Kudlaty]

Hi guys!

I have been doing research about BA Cityflyer, I have managed to find some valuable info on this forum but I still have some unanswered questions and I would really appreciate if someone knowledgeable could share some information.

1. What interests me the most is the career progression opportunities, especially how long on average it normally takes to upgrade from FO to Captain position.
Any real opportunities to become a TR instructor and a line training Captain?

2. I am also wondering if the airline offers type rating in exchange for a bond or is it a self-funded TR?

3. I found some information regarding salary on pilotjobsnetwork and some on this forum but I am still not sure how much a bonded F/O can expect for a starting salary.

As I said, I will appreciate any information! Thanks!

[towser]

1. Depends on your experience but at the present rate upgrade could be quite quick. And yes again depending on experience training positions are possible.
2. Type rating is bonded NOT self funded.
3. I don't have the FO scales to hand so someone else will need to assist.

[Sciolistes]

Day 1 BA FO's earn 75-80,000?

[RexBanner]

If you tot everything up including flight/duty pay at mainline you're just about breaking £70k in year 1. Maybe a bit more with some overtime. Maybe a (very slight) exaggeration by the OP but he's not far off.

[Sciolistes]

Ah, ok. Thanks.

[trancada]

Sounds interesting!
Do they have night stops, in their destinations?

[Kudlaty]

Thanks for the information! Is there any specific number of hours you need to have logged before you can start the command training or does it depend purely on seniority?
Regarding the pay, I don't know the tax thresholds in England, how much tax would I be paying earning approx 75k GBP per year?
I also need to consider the fact that living in/near London would consume a significant part of the salary, wouln't it?

[Tay Cough]

Day 1 BA FO's earn 75-80,000?

Nice work if you can get it. ;)

I suggest you look at the small print again. :oh:

[Sciolistes]

Thanks for the information! Is there any specific number of hours you need to have logged before you can start the command training or does it depend purely on seniority?
Regarding the pay, I don't know the tax thresholds in England, how much tax would I be paying earning approx 75k GBP per year?
I also need to consider the fact that living in/near London would consume a significant part of the salary, wouln't it?
About £4,300/mo in your hand.

[tdk90]

About £4,300/mo in your hand.

Can you get part time eventually?

[Jumbo2]

About £4,300/mo in your hand.
Is this salary quoted a nett BA Mainline or BA Cityflyer FO salary?
If it is a BA CityFlyer FO salary it is significantly higher then the likes of Jet2!

[Kudlaty]

Nice work if you can get it. ;)

I suggest you look at the small print again. :oh:

Tay Cought, could you please elaborate on that?



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About £4,300/mo in your hand.

Is this salary quoted a nett BA Mainline or BA Cityflyer FO salary?
If it is a BA CityFlyer FO salary it is significantly higher then the likes of Jet2!



This is a very valid question! :) Can someone share some info on that?

[EMB-145LR]

The amount mentioned (£4,300) is about average take home for an FO on year one of the DEP pay scale at BA mainline. My take home has varied from £4,100 to £4,900 per month since I joined.

If I remember correctly from my interview(s) with CityFlyer, the take home there is nearer £2,400ish for an FO.

[eagle21]

The amount mentioned (£4,300) is about average take home for an FO on year one of the DEP pay scale at BA mainline. My take home has varied from £4,100 to £4,900 per month since I joined.

If I remember correctly from my interview(s) with CityFlyer, the take home there is nearer £2,400ish for an FO.
How long do cadets stay on the Cadet Payscale? What allowances are available?
thanks

[VinRouge]

How long do cadets stay on the Cadet Payscale? What allowances are available?
thanks
city flyer also includes a London worker supplement I think I was told at a recruitment event. We were also told that the company does tours for a few days around Europe or alternatively night stops. Those tours could also include UK nightstops such as Edi. Caveat this with that gen is 2 years old.

[RJ100]

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BACF FO pay scales
Let’s not get carried away with BACF pay scales. See the actual ones below. Plus about £1900pa London weighting.

[geardown1]

Are these basic salary figures? What would a year one FO expect to take net after additional pay?

Cheers

[airspeed75]

Are these basic salary figures? What would a year one FO expect to take net after additional pay?

Cheers

Have you applied? I just stuck in an application there and would be interested to know about the selection process. I believe it is with BA Mainline now but a search wasn't too revealing in terms of the BA CityFlyer version of this selection...

[RJ100]

Geardown1,
Yes these are basic figures. Expect about another 5-6,000 on top for duty pay including London Weighting for a City base.

Recruitment selection is as per mainline with a slight difference. Day 1+2 is the same as mainline, but done on the same day. If successful on that day the Capt have a sim check, not sure about FO apllicants.

[Jumbo2]

Is there a more prescribed process to get from Cityflyer into Mainline for those who fancy to work a bit harder but get the benefits of the mainline career progression, or is it still a work in progress to improve and streamline that process?

[ndue345]

If you join BACF, what chance do you have to join mainline?

[RJ100]

There is supposedly a “Career Pathway” in to mainline, but it’s not used or realistically available. The only advantage is we go straight through to Day 1 of the interview process.

[Lazydogg]

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BACF FO pay scales
Let’s not get carried away with BACF pay scales. See the actual ones below. Plus about £1900pa London weighting.


Appaling pay for Captains.

[Jumbo2]

Appaling pay for Captains.

Just talking abut it with a mate who is considering a move there from FlyBE. It is always nice to earn more money but comparing it to other Regional operators like Eastern Airways, FlyBE, Loganair and Stobart Aviation the salary doesn’t look too bad. Or did we miss something?

[RJ100]

Jumbo2,
Possibly not bad for a true regional airline. However please bear in mind that your work week will be more alighted with BA mainline ex LHR. 3-6 day tours are the norm with a duty pay of about £2/hr. You will probably spend most of that £2 eating down route. As a so called regional airline we fly to the Greek Islands daily during the summer months and Keflavik during the winter months. The number of night stops is similar with both EDI & LCY bases. With an EDI base there is no such thing as a 2 sector day!!

[Jumbo2]

Thanks fair enough, didn't realise they went as far as Greece. Was meanly basing my opinion about the work on the ex-CityFlyer pilots who are shocked now working for Mainline about how hard they have to work compared to what they refer to as their cosy life in CityFlyer. I even heard one or two are considering going back to Cityflyer having only started in mainline last year.