Lion Air Overrun in Surabaya

[jetjockey696]

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Juanda Airport Reopens Following Lion Air Mishap

The authorities has reopened Juanda International Airport in Surabaya after closing it for to hours to tow away a Lion Mentari Airlines Boeing 737-9GP ER aircraft that skidded off the runway on Saturday (20/02) morning.

The aircraft overran the runway at 11.37 a.m. local time as it arrived from Balikpapan, East Kalimantan, amid heavy rain. The pilot managed to bring the plane to a stop with its front wheel exceeding the end of the runway by a meter, preventing any major damage.

None of the 215 passengers, which included six children and four infants, suffered any injuries.

"The aircraft is now parked at the apron for further inspection by the authorities," Lion Air Group chief executive Edward Sirait said in a statement.

"The airplane is airworthy. But, there was very heavy rain," he added.

JG.. 20/02/2016

[wanabee777]

Is the runway grooved?

Probably a stupid question..

[training wheels]

They had 3000 meters of runway with 100 meter stopways at both ends, and they still overran the runway? :ugh:

Was this RWY 10 or 28? RWY 10 has an ILS and Lion has a policy of only allowing their FOs to land when the runway has an ILS.

[Tasmanian]

Bad training standarts(could be the worst among 737 operators), that's all about it!

[Wizofoz]

They had 3000 meters of runway with 100 meter stopways at both ends, and they still overran the runway?


I suspect the problem was trying to land in those conditions at all.

[jetjockey696]

looks like Rwy 10..

Wanabee777.. indonesia has 230 runways i think none are grooved, only paved in thick shiny rubber. any landing in Indonesian airport in wet.... hope and a pray...

btw ...they are offering FO upgrade to captain program...through agencies..are you up for the challenge.:}

they just bought 10 sims from CAE to beef up training..

[wanabee777]

slooks like Rwy 10..

Wanabee777.. indonesia has 230 runways i think none are grooved, only paved in thick shiny rubber. any landing in Indonesian airport in wet.... hope and a pray...

Not surprised.

[Metro man]

No, they did an excellent job in stopping with the nose wheel only slightly in the grass. Tow it back a few meters and it's back in service, what's the problem ? :E

[Hogger60]

Whew, I thought they would go more than a year without running off a runway. Glad to see the boys at Lion are giving us the consistency they are known for!:D:E:E

[arvida]

Hahaha Lion Air,

what a bunch of wannabes! My dog could fly better than that...

I would pay a LOT of money to watch them fly a King Air in the Arctic!

[jetjockey696]

Lion... approach and landing

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manual braking
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[JoeMcGrath]

Why Tas,did you fly for them?

[Tasmanian]

've been there for several months after my employer ceased ops, hard to explain what i saw!

[sahidahm]

Same mistake... for sure No auto brake very smooth landing.. Idle reverse... and out of the rwy....
Why????:=:=:uhoh::}

[captjns]

How many "Long Landing" alerts were made by the EGPWS system and how many meters beyond the touchdown zone before touch down.

[BAe 146-100]

Same mistake... for sure No auto brake very smooth landing.. Idle reverse... and out of the rwy....
Why????:=:=:uhoh::}

Exactly. Will they ever learn....

[av8r76]

My circus does have a few ex Lion effoes. The common feature of their landing technique is to add thrust in the flare. The answer when queried is the desire for a smooth touchdown. That's how they were trained.

It baffles me that an airline which operates a significant portion of their flights into relatively short airstrips encourages this line of thinking with obvious consequences.

[jetjockey696]

they just upgraded a bunch of these power on landing Effffooes.. to captains.. hahaha.

I guess it the asian culture that a smooth as a baby bottom landing is a sign of a good or excellent pilot. any thump landing was awarded with WAHHH.. from the pax..with a comment ....must be the FO who landed that..:ugh:

I had 2 capt who never let his FO fly.. always the captain sector..even if its 4-5 sectors per day... only reason I got told that is he always wanted his landings as a smooth bottom landings. he doesnt want any kind of bumps.. :ugh:

[B737900er]

The sooner Lion get expat management in flight ops and training the better. It worked for KAL.

[BAe 146-100]

There is some people who you would say should never be let anywhere near a airplane, but I never met so many that I did while in Indonesia, you should just see how these people drive cars. Complete lack of judgement, little or no knowledge, poor decision making, lack of experience coupled with bad weather and small runways (not even in this case!), and your looking at exactly what the problem is there year on year. They need plenty of experienced qualified expats and quick on good salary, and see what happens. At least Batik Air have seen the light..

[PoppaJo]

You think there are training issues now just look at the numbers these carriers have in order....

LionAir- 464 aircraft
AirAsia- 341 aircraft

It won't be long these backdoor ops will be some of the largest carriers on earth. I was hoping the Australians were going to ban one of the above carriers after its last disaster, should have happened because they have improved nothing since the event. Too many politics involved for that to happen though....

[B737900er]

Just look at the Indonesian culture on safety as a whole! When I was in Jakarta I saw a man hanging outside the window of skyscraper cleaning the windows with no safety equipment! When I asked about it other Indonesians laughed and said "If he does not work he won't get paid".

The sad part about Lion Air is that they have limitless amount of money and could be a very good airline, but they decide to keep things the same because thats how they have always done it. :{:ugh:

[harrison05]

LIONAIR , IT´S really really scary. The manager play all time with the passengers life. I dont recommend to anyone, even for captaincy you will be forced to take off to airports below minimums etc etc etc
:rolleyes:

[B737900er]

LIONAIR , IT´S really really scary. The manager play all time with the passengers life. I dont recommend to anyone, even for captaincy you will be forced to take off to airports below minimums etc etc etc
:rolleyes:


You will be a poor captain if you give into company pressure especially when something like that is clearly against the law.