8-6 schedule

[pilot dude]

Before the introduction of subpart Q we had a 8-6 schedule. We changed the crew somewhere in Europe on Wednesdays, had every second weekend at home and everybody was happy.

Now with subpart Q in place we had to change to a 7-5 schedule. This is due to the new 7x24=168 hrs limitation. The 7 day rule is supposed to be better for pilot but now we end up working 2 out of three weekends.

I heard some rumors that under strict restrictions some CAA's will give companies an opportunity to go over the 7 days limit as long as it is followed by a substantial longer free period as the 36 hours now required after 7 days

I can't find anything on this online but if anybody knows anything about this please let me now cause the boss doesn't mind going back to 8-6 but the local CAA won't allow it.

PD

[Twiglet1]

Pilot dude
Thats the regulation so the local CAA have no choice. Asuming the boss is a AOC you would need to apply to the EU commission as its a change of law to the extended recovery rest period so not a derogation to EASA . This would need a FRMS , safety case with scientific support etc. It wouldn't be overnight and the argument about weekends would be a social one not necessarily fatigue basis.
Good luck is all I will say

[Son of a Beech]

Yes EASA really screwed us on that one, proves once again that the regulations they make are designed for airline flying not fractional / corporate etc.

The application would not be to the EU commission but to the local CAA. They can give a two month approval/exception for this. If they approve the exception THEY would have to petition the EU commission. But for the rest its about right.

One can only hope that that airtaxi regulations will be more focused on getting a working regulation for our branch.

[Twiglet1]

Son
I guess your talking biz jets but if airline AOC I believe its a commission job as your changing the EU law?

[Son of a Beech]

Twiglet1

If you read what I said correctly it is a case for the commission but the application is going via the local CAA. Local CAA can give an 60 day exemption on EU rules if they can justify the safety. There is no Bizjet or airline. Applies for everybody

[ATOguy]

Not correct. EASA Part-FTL does not apply to charter aircraft less than 19 seats. National regs apply pending the arrival of a specific EASA ref which is years away. In the meantime it is entirely down to what you can negotiate with your NAA.

[Son of a Beech]

ATOguy

In most EASA countries there wasn't a separate air taxi reg before so these companies are flying CJ's, Mustangs, Hawkers and Falcons on a normal AOC. I think Airtaxi is a typical UK thing. (Could be wrong). So until there actually is an Airtaxi FTL our only existing national FTL is EU-FTL