QantasLink Application Onhold

[sunshinelove]

Hi guys,

I attended the assessment day for QantasLink a week ago, and also completed an online quiz and video interview. This week both of my references were contacted. It seemed positive basic on the feedbacks from my managers. But today I received an email saying my application is on hold!!!

Does that mean I'm not successful? Then how come they say that they will let me know if there are positions available for the next 12 months.

I'm very confused. Does that mean my reference went wrong? Please help me. I just don't understand what happened.

Thank you.

[Going Boeing]

No, that doesn't mean you are unsuccessful.

Employers have to be very careful not to give an applicant the impression that they have the job until it is absolutely certain that the person will be employed - this is due to excessive litigation in the past. It means that you are on a list of candidates that are being considered so, you will have to sit on your hands and wait for the decision to be made and hopefully it will be positive for you.

[Di_Vosh]

It might also have something to do with recruitment being put on hold until an IR issue is sorted out.

DIVOSH!

[Capt Fathom]

Please help me. I just don't understand what happened.

FFS! Relax.

Can't people fend for themselves any more? Just call them and find out! :ugh:

[j3pipercub]

If I were you I'd drive my Chevy to the levy, assuming it wasn't dry.

[dibloc]

But today I received an email saying my application is on hold!!!

Does that mean I'm not successful?

Does the email say:

"I am pleased to advise that your application has been successful"

?

[Ixixly]

Anyone else a little surprised that someone applying for a job with Qantaslink isn't aware of how a Hold File works?

*EDIT*

A quick google search would have saved you a lot of worrying as well

http://qantaslink.bfound.net/det-contact.aspx?jobid=123244&CoId=189&rq=1

All I googled was Qantaslink Application On Hold and that was the second link!

[Going Nowhere]

2 ground schools for the Q400 for external applicants to start late Feb and early March.

In addition, commencing April, 6 x Q300 slots every 6 weeks until the end of the year.

For anyone thinking of putting an application in, now wouldn't be a bad time.

The 2 Q400 ground schools are the only chance (at this stage) for someone to go directly onto the Q400 unless you end up in CNS or MQL. Everyone else can expect to end up on the Q300 initially.

[Spinnerhead]

Unfortunately there are still plenty of "duds" getting through the fence. Can't be too careful with this recruiting business.

[Jc31]

Has anyone been given a start date for the early March course? Also does anyone know roughly how many will be going through per ground school?

Jc31

[Duck Pilot]

There are now two adds on the AFAP website with Qlink seeking EOIs for First Officers.

[training wheels]

There are now two adds on the AFAP website with Qlink seeking EOIs for First Officers.

Traineeships are back it seems.. better traineeships than 457 visas I guess..

[Going Nowhere]

It's all in the EBA.

Sunstate EBA 2015 Clause 25.5 (Transition Arrangements)

If you join without 2000hrs aeronautical exp and an ATPL, then the figures in table 25 apply.
If you join with 2000hrs aeronautical exp and an ATPL, then FO's get 65% of the Year 1 Capt rate for the fleet they are on.

I suspect the Eastern EBA has something similar.

Fairwork or AFAP will have the pdf's.

[Duck Pilot]

Take the year 12 and the physic requirements away and they may actually get some suitable command applicants. Pilots with lots of time on type.

If they need to throw in another few additional training hours in to thrash out previous/bad habits, wouldn't that be a better solution long term?

[Jay Bo]

Interesting the Qantas taleo site has no mention of HSC requirements but the AFAP site has it as a requirement

[Fonz121]

HSC Physics was dropped as a requirement for Qantas group airlines a few years ago. If it's not on the actual QF site then I'd say you don't require it. Someone's probably rehashed an old ad for the afap site.

*EDIT - I can't see anywhere on the AFAP site where it asks for physics.

[YCOY]

Hi people,

I'm chasing up information about 'video interview' for direct entry FO.

Had anyone done one recently or can remember what was aksed?

Cheers YCOY.

[WannaBeBiggles]

Hi people,

I'm chasing up information about 'video interview' for direct entry FO.

Had anyone done one recently or can remember what was aksed?

Cheers YCOY.

The interview is meant to get to know the candidate. There's no right or wrong answer. Answer it naturally, simple.

[ACMS]

No.

It's not necessarily what you say but more how you say it.......

The usual interview stuff I'm sure, confident, mature, look em in the Eye, firm handshake, don't bull**** etc etc...

[sahni]

Would you know how a DEFO with ATPL and the appropriate hours will be treated i.e. start on the Q400 with an reasonable base salary to live in Perth for example? What's a typical roster look like in terms of duty hours, overnights, days off?

It's all in the EBA.

Sunstate EBA 2015 Clause 25.5 (Transition Arrangements)

If you join without 2000hrs aeronautical exp and an ATPL, then the figures in table 25 apply.
If you join with 2000hrs aeronautical exp and an ATPL, then FO's get 65% of the Year 1 Capt rate for the fleet they are on.

I suspect the Eastern EBA has something similar.

Fairwork or AFAP will have the pdf's.

[Going Nowhere]

No PER base anymore.

For a BNE-based Q400 F/O you can expect in each 28 day roster;

100-130 duty hours
70-80 flight hours
2-4 reserve days (of which you will work 3-4)
3-6 overnights
8-9 days off

New hires will probably see the rosters drop slightly but not by much.

As for whether you go onto the Q400 or the classic, that's all supply and demand and not necessarily based on your previous experience.

[iPahlot]

For a BNE-based Q400 F/O you can expect in each 28 day roster;

100-130 duty hours
70-80 flight hours
2-4 reserve days (of which you will work 3-4)
3-6 overnights
8-9 days off

How does that differ for FO's on the 400 in the other bases? Also, how different is the 300 roster?

[sahni]

No PER base anymore.

For a BNE-based Q400 F/O you can expect in each 28 day roster;

100-130 duty hours
70-80 flight hours
2-4 reserve days (of which you will work 3-4)
3-6 overnights
8-9 days off

New hires will probably see the rosters drop slightly but not by much.

As for whether you go onto the Q400 or the classic, that's all supply and demand and not necessarily based on your previous experience.
I guess the pay would be quite different being a FO on the Q400 or Q300?

[Frank_The_Tank]

For all those wondering about pay I will try and give you an accurate rundown of what you might expect - straight from the Sunstate EBA. The allowances figure I've put in is an informed guess based on average hours worked on current rosters but I would say is accurate within +/- 5k. From what I can see the duty hours between bases doesn't vary much, it's generally more to do with the type you're on. Bare in mind, although you'll end up with more coin in your pocket on the Q400, you'll also be doing almost double the duty - this is all subject to change with more pilots joining.

BNE/ADL FO Q300 65%: base $68308 + allowances (roughly 20k) = $88000PA
BNE/ADL FO Q300 55%: base $57799 + allowances (roughly 20k) = $78000PA
BNE/CNS FO Q400 65%: base $73089 + allowances (roughly 25K) = $98000PA
BNE/CNS FO Q400 55%: base $61844 + allowances (roughly 25k) = $87000PA
(the 400 allowances are conservative. Currently I'd expect it might be a bit more due to crew shortage)

I can't give an accurate rundown of Eastern bases but generally the 300 guys/girls are doing a fair bit more flying than the Sunnies 300 FO's so you could expect and extra 5k or so on top of the above figures?? The SYD 400 crew are doing similar hours to BNE/CNS guys but Mildura is alot less duty. You can forget about a MEL base for a few years.

[Jc31]

For all those wondering about pay I will try and give you an accurate rundown of what you might expect - straight from the Sunstate EBA. The allowances figure I've put in is an informed guess based on average hours worked on current rosters but I would say is accurate within +/- 5k. From what I can see the duty hours between bases doesn't vary much, it's generally more to do with the type you're on. Bare in mind, although you'll end up with more coin in your pocket on the Q400, you'll also be doing almost double the duty - this is all subject to change with more pilots joining.

BNE/ADL FO Q300 65%: base $68308 + allowances (roughly 20k) = $88000PA
BNE/ADL FO Q300 55%: base $57799 + allowances (roughly 20k) = $78000PA
BNE/CNS FO Q400 65%: base $73089 + allowances (roughly 25K) = $98000PA
BNE/CNS FO Q400 55%: base $61844 + allowances (roughly 25k) = $87000PA
(the 400 allowances are conservative. Currently I'd expect it might be a bit more due to crew shortage)

I can't give an accurate rundown of Eastern bases but generally the 300 guys/girls are doing a fair bit more flying than the Sunnies 300 FO's so you could expect and extra 5k or so on top of the above figures?? The SYD 400 crew are doing similar hours to BNE/CNS guys but Mildura is alot less duty. You can forget about a MEL base for a few years.

Can you give us a breakdown of the allowances?

[Di_Vosh]

Jc31

The EBA's are on the AFAP and Fair Work Australia websites. Allowances are made up of two main items: Overnight allowances (up to $140.00-ish, depending on the overnight) and Duty Hour Allowance (DHA - $6.00 per hour for an FO). There are other allowances, but these two make up the "bread and butter" as it were. Overnight allowances aren't taxed, DHA is.

The allowance figures that Frank_The_Tank are giving are in the ball-park. But to earn them you'd be doing the hours that Going Nowhere stated earlier.

To get around 20k in allowances P.A, you'd have to do around 8 overnights (i.e. two overnights per week) and work around 120 hours duty per roster. Less 1 1/2 rosters (6 weeks annual leave). That would give you around $12k in overnights, and $8k in DHA.

Not all bases do this kind of flying (e.g. Mildura, but you probably wont get there) but it is common in Melbourne (you wont get there either). Sydney do more duty and less overnights, so less allowances.

However, doing that amount of hours will wear you out! We are so short-staffed right now, especially in the FO ranks, that guys are getting flogged. FO's are regularly flying 19 or 20 days out of every 28 day roster. Our overnights are typically min-rest.

A standard overnight is you'll fly three or five sectors on day one, leaving the aircraft at 8:30 (ish) pm. You'll get back to the airport at 6:00am the following morning for another three sectors. The airport is normally a 20 minute drive from the hotel, but can be as much as 40 minutes. So getting a good night's sleep can be a problem.

As a new-start FO with less than 2000 hours you'll be on that 55% pay for three years, regardless of if you get 2000 hours within that time.

Do not expect these type of work hours to change any time soon. This year there will be a massive exodus of Qlink pilots and our management have no idea on how to cope. It will be at least 12 months before crew numbers get to adequate levels again, unless in that time we shed some flying.

DIVOSH!

[tocum]

Howdy folks

What are the chances of getting a Melbourne base if you request it as your only choice, considering that you coming from a Q400 background with 1700 hrs and over 3500 ME TT.(CASA ATPL)
PS: no disrespect to the more senior ones waiting for a Mel base!

With the massive exodus of QLink pilots, how long can an FO expect for captaincy on the Q400.

Cheers
toc

[Di_Vosh]

tocum,

The chances of a Melbourne base is minimal. I say minimal instead of nil because "stranger things have happened" in the past. It matters not what your prior experience is, or what you put down as your base preferences.

All this, including time to command, has been covered several times in several threads.

DIVOSH!

[mikewil]

The chances of a Melbourne base is minimal.

Are you able to list your estimate on the order of likeliness of basing preferences (obviously with Melbourne last). To save each person asking a question about their preferred base?

[Frank_The_Tank]

As work force currently stands/demand for future, my guess:
1. SYD 30%
2. BNE 27%
3. CNS 20%
4. ADL 11%
5. MQL 10%
6. MEL 2%

Divosh quite rightly pointed out my estimates for wages were pushing it a bit with allowances. I have also accounted for working an RDO per roster as well. This is something in the vicinity of $500
Forget about Melbourne. There are Sydney based guys/girls who have been waiting 3 years to get there and those people will be offered the spots before any new hires. My advice would be to bid for the bases on the EBA where you want to end up. I.E. If you want MEL, bid for: MEL MQL and SYD. Basically, basing preferences work as follows:

If a MEL spot is offered:
1. Eastern pilot highest on Eastern senority
then, if no one bids
2. Any pilot already working for the QantasLink group
then if still, no bids
3. Offered to new hire

As pointed out previously, this is SENIORITY based company. It doesn't matter if you got your CPL/IR the day before your start date and have 150TT or you have 5000TT with 3000 command on a Q400. You're treated the same from your start date and command time will generally not vary between two applicants with the same start date so long as when your number comes up, you have the requirements and are deemed capable of a command.

[QNH1020]

So with all the salaries and allowances sorted. When is the next course start for direct entry F/o??🤔

[training wheels]

So with all the salaries and allowances sorted. When is the next course start for direct entry F/o??🤔

It's been mentioned before on previous threads. A new course every 6 weeks until the end of the year. 6 positions in each course.

[Going Nowhere]

The last course started about a week ago.

[outoftime]

So with all the salaries and allowances sorted. When is the next course start for direct entry F/o??🤔

26th April

[Joystick jokey]

Just wondering if anyone has completed an online interview recently and waiting to hear back how they went?

[exmexican]

How safe is ADL base, given the operation was tried there a few years back with limited duration. Busy enough? Possibly expanding? What chances of the 400 moving down there, or will it be the place that 300's go to die?

[Going Nowhere]

I wouldn't bet on seeing the Q400 down there for a while yet.

Base seems pretty steady, not much movement at the moment.

I'd be surprised to see much expansion in the near future.

[VHFRT]

Remember also that, regardless of what you're told, you are not applying for a job with qantaslink. You're applying for a job with EAA or SSA. If you want to be in MEL, then take a base in SYD or MQL. If you want to be in Queensland, take a base in BNE, CNS or ADL.

The always charming recruitment woman will lie to you about how base transfers work. At the end of the day, you need to make very sure that you end up on the EBA that you want to be on, otherwise they will screw you

[mikewil]

If you want to be in Queensland, take a base in BNE, CNS or ADL

Adelaide is Eastern, whenever booking flights to any of the Adelaide destinations, the website says operated by Eastern.

[Arewegettingjets]

Mikewil,
It says that on your ticket because the q300 is on the eastern AOC. It's a sunstate base.

[Going Nowhere]

Just to clarify.

All the Q200 & Q300's are on the Eastern AOC.
All the Q400's are on the Sunstate AOC.

Either pilot group can operate the aircraft.

The tickets are required to say who operates the aircraft if it's not QF. Same goes for Cobham(although it still says NJS), Jetconnect, Network, Alliance etc.

ADL is a Sunstate crew base.

[mikewil]

It says that on your ticket because the q300 is on the eastern AOC. It's a sunstate base.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Dempster]

So just to clarify, is a 3000 hour pilot without an ATPL on a different pay scale to a 3000 hour pilot with an ATPL?

[Di_Vosh]

Dempster

That question has already been answered within this thread.

DIVOSH!

[Gordoco]

Hi guys,

Just to keep this thread going, Ive been put on active hold. Would like to hear from others that have done the same. I understand we're all being put on hold, but Id like to know if people are getting start dates etc.

Any replies much appreciated.

Cheers guys.

[Areyouapilot]

Gordono

Just out of curiosity, when did you go through the interview/sim process and when did you get notified of the hold file? I had an interview/sim early May but still haven't heard anything.

[Gordoco]

I have a mate who is in the same boat as you (interviewed in may but no reply) so you're not the only one.

I interviewed in early may also.

[cLeArIcE]

Anyone on the hold file received start dates for January or February? I've been on the hold file for well over 15 months and wondering if anyone else is in the same boat or if they have just forgotten about me...

[anon15678]

seems that guys are called for a course after 8 months waiting
If its longer than that then you start wondering whats going on..
???? most guys just wait patiently without questioning ..anything
because it starts the interview process again..so what do you do
,,,just wait and hope you get a call.??? 1 year wait does test you
because you could be going elsewhere,,,

[Whowee]

Anyone on the hold file received start dates for January or February? I've been on the hold file for well over 15 months and wondering if anyone else is in the same boat or if they have just forgotten about me...

Clearice,

Out of curiosity, what base preferences did you nominate? I've heard rumours that they're really just focusing on Sydney and Brisbane at the moment. Perhaps this is why there's a delay? Ive been on active hold for 8 months now

[cLeArIcE]

Whowee, I actually dont re-call ever being asked in the process for my requested basing but, I would be more than happy with Sydney or Brissy :ok:

[Fujiroll76]

Think of the active hold file as a mini seniority list. 48 applicants come through the interview process every month. Some make it on to the list some don't. Depending how you went on the day you will be ranked and added to the list. When your numbers up you will get your letter of offer..unfortunately for the guys who have been on for a while, date of interview isn't the key it's the score you get on the assessment day. In other words you could be at the top but the latest assessment centre could see you drop considerably should applicants out rank you. Be patient and for those who arnt DE..head to the bush and clock up the hours, will be benifical in their long run.
Fuji

[Yardie8]

Sunshinelove,

It means you will be looked at first on their next intake. Like, they liked you but the Ground School might have been full, so they have to wait for the next one.

It happened to like 6 people in my current Ground School.

[Toluene Diisocyanate]

Think of the active hold file as a mini seniority list. 48 applicants come through the interview process every month. Some make it on to the list some don't. Depending how you went on the day you will be ranked and added to the list. When your numbers up you will get your letter of offer..unfortunately for the guys who have been on for a while, date of interview isn't the key it's the score you get on the assessment day. In other words you could be at the top but the latest assessment centre could see you drop considerably should applicants out rank you. Be patient and for those who arnt DE..head to the bush and clock up the hours, will be benifical in their long run.
Fuji

So, in effect, by your description it is nothing like a seniority list. Once on a real seniority list you cannot be gazumped by someone who joins it later.

Perhaps a different anecdote is warranted :)