Jetstar Japan

[Guttler]

Does anyone know much updated info about JQ Japan?

I have found some forums, but they date back to 2012.

Appreciate any info

Thanks

[charlie uniform mike]

They are hiring and have opened up opportunities to Jetstar Australia pilots to go over there on leave without pay. That's all I know.

[galdian]

All gone quiet due the CP and head of C&T over the last couple of years exerting their authority and trying, by any means, to make the operation "pure" and being EXTREMELY gaijin unfriendly.

At the same time they (with the support, tacit or proactive of some fellow ex JAL refugees) have allowed/are instilling procedures that are "entertaining" to hear, fortunately they haven't had an accident.

And...NO, Jalboys, you do NOT fly an Airbus like it's a Boeing, for once your "we're old, Japanese, male so we can do whatever we want..." mantra should not be your "get out of growing up and being professional" card.

However I digress.

IF LWOP is being offered then sh*t and fans will collide simply because no Jetstar mainline pilot will walk in and just accept the kabuki and crap that poses as JAL/JetstarJapan "professionalism" ala "welcome to the 1960's!"

Well - that and their "it's just like a Boeing" stuff!

Interestingly I believe JetstarJapan are cancelling flights due lack of crew (no fleet expansion) whilst down the road JetstarPacific have recruited 25+ (not sure if crew or just Captains) pilots for another 5(?) extra hull arrivals this year, recruitment ongoing.

Strangely (or maybe not) both JetstarJapan local and Jetstar HQ management are all too aware they're being screwed over by the JAL mafia in Japan - especially in some ways that should make the Qantas group/brand squirm - yet choose to do nothing positive and hope string and gaffa tape will hold it all together so they can - at least, maybe - get their bonuses.

Would be very interesting if anything like a public audit/inquiry were ever held.

Hello....and welcome to the reality of JetstarJapan.

Cheers!

[bringbackthe80s]

One thing is for sure, Japan needs pilots real bad. And it's a country which requires a 12 months training period for a 10.000 hrs captain to fly there..If the system/mentality at the top does not progress then I am afraid the recently born companies will have a hard time expanding or existing.

[Meet the Fokker]

Galdian has hit the nail firmly on the head.

Ops control is in the hands of JAL cast-offs and they do not want any foreigners. End of story.

They tolerate the CEO but keep him in the corner of the mushroom shed.

CP has his own "proclivities" which actually led to his gating from JAL and he turned up at GK via Fuji Dream. The place is a hornet's nest of nepotism and harassment.

Think they have stemmed the red ink mainly due to lower fuel prices so now only losing about USD4m a month instead of 7m.

[pilotcpb]

I saw a few expats for Jetstar Japan wandering through a few airports and all of them were walking a few paces back from the trainer with their heads down, finally managed to talk to one and he was very unhappy. Air Japan is the best gig in Japan and its night and day with Jetstar so if you have the luxury of choice go to AJX.

[charlie uniform mike]

Any Jetstar Oz guys going to apply for LWOP? What r your thoughts?

[galdian]

Raski

Sorry but unclear - you HAVE been called for an interview or are you asking if anyone else has been??
If called - DEC or F/O??

Thanks
Cheers :ok:

[galdian]

Sent PM.
Cheers. :ok:

[Lancelot747]

Hey Galdian,
I read your previous post regarding JJP but that dates back to January. Could you please PM me the same thing you did to Raski as what you think of the current state of affairs there ?
Cheers

[gtseraf]

how things change.

In Jan 2016 pilotcpb mentioned that AJX was a better place to go to, it probably is but morale has dropped considerably there lately, schedulers, all of a sudden, unable to assist with decent flights at the beginning and end of the time in Japan, guys are now losing a day in Japan to meet commute requirements, schedules becoming crazy again, lots of fatigue and "interesting" patterns.

[galdian]

Hi Lancelot
Pprune says you have elected to, or cannot, receive PM's.
If you can PM TO me with an email address I'll pass on as requested.

Cheers
galdian :ok:

[dangermouse88]

Hi Raski,

Can you tell me what your Skype interview consisted of?

Cheers

[PPRuNeUser0192]

Does any one know if expats that come via an agency are placed on the seniority list for a possible upgrade in the future?

[A3twozero]

The time to command for a Japanese F/O is 18 months to 2 years. The upgrade time for an expat F/O, is when he resigns and moves on. Don't expect an upgrade an don't expect to be welcomed by the flight management team. That is not to say there are many great guys there.:}

[avoka]

Hello guys!
Has anyone had a Skype interview with JJP?
What kind of questions do I need to expect during it????
How does the atmosphere look into the company ???
---
Galdian!!! Could You please send a PM message to me the same way as Raski
thanks in advance!

[nj314]

hi,

i will have skype interview next week. Thank for your comments on this thread so I know what to expect for Skype as well as my minor chance of command.

I have 2 other questions:

1. Does anybody have an idea about the roster? Night flying or 4sectors, how many night out of base per month?

2. How your take home will be like? Parc told me the tax will be around 30%, so take home, according to my calculations, USD5000, am I correct?

Thanks

[gtseraf]

take home $5000, not going to give you much month at the end of the money in Japan!

[nj314]

thanks, your your reply. yes, 5000$ is not so much in tokyo, fortunately, Parc gives $1500 house allowance and $1000 commuting, which are not bad.

Any idea on the roster please?

[gtseraf]

nj, do your homework VERY carefully.

Tokyo is not cheap to live in AND commute flights may not always be so cheap!

[The Dominican]

The ONLY thing this job is good for is spending a year getting your 500 PIC and going elsewhere

[blink]

thanks, your your reply. yes, 5000$ is not so much in tokyo, fortunately, Parc gives $1500 house allowance and $1000 commuting, which are not bad.

Any idea on the roster please?
You need to make sure that amount is not taxed, otherwise, you can slash 30% off because you will be a resident of Japan and required to pay taxes on all of your income. JSJ has only a few upgrades every year with many guys that have been there 5 years still waiting with many giving up and leaving. You might also want to ask yourself why there are only one or two gaijin's working there, because there's probably a good reason for that. Japan is in a serious decline with conditions getting worse. The BS required to deal with the JCAB and with these LCC's is NOT worth it.

[gtseraf]

the problem with that Dom, is that these kind of get hours quick schemes often have rather "poor" conditions attached. These then become the norm and before we can wipe the manure from our eyes, the race to the bottom has been won by all of us.

[galdian]

Dom

JJ aren't looking for Captains - only expat F/O's, apparently they can't offer enough baubles to encourage the local F/O's to fly with them and/or remain with them.

Why??

JJ DID have around 12-15 gaijin Captains a couple of years ago - however a "purge towards purity" was undertaken and now there's a couple...if that.

What there IS is a number of court cases taken by Captains against JJ pending - including a couple of local Captains, very un japanese like! :p

Cheers.

[Willing to Fly]

Does anyone have more recent information?

I'm curious what a typical month would look like there.

Has the upgrade situation sorted itself out? I have heard that it takes about 3 years to become eligible for a captain seat.

I have also heard that overall it was a better place for a foreigner than Air Japan.

[Willing to Fly]

Nothing in the last year? There's more discussion going on at companies with 2-3 airplanes. Is there a better discussion somewhere about J* Japan?

[TheBounce]

I have the same questions. I'm thinking no news is good news, perhaps? I'm a little leery to listen to much on these forums, as there are no content pilots found on forums based on my experiences.

[booze]

Hi guys,

Any news on this? Can't seem to find the terms and conditions...

https://www.jetstar.com/jp/ja/careers/flight-operations-jobs/a320-captain-non-jcab-license-holder-/2223085

Cheers,

booze

[glekichi]

Essentially the above information is no longer correct.
Things have improved dramatically.

Probably not a lot of comments on here in recent years because there were very few foreign pilots, but that’s started to change rapidly.

I’d say most of the LWOP pilots from Jetstar are enjoying it here. Yeah some frustration at times but overall happy. Maybe easier to swallow if already used to Jetstar procedures.

Average take home, all up, maybe just shy of $US9000 after tax but if commuting you need to pay for a ticket home out of that, and still accomodate yourself in Japan also. (Under $1000 for rent and utilities if you stick near Narita)

[booze]

Essentially the above information is no longer correct.
Things have improved dramatically.

Probably not a lot of comments on here in recent years because there were very few foreign pilots, but that’s started to change rapidly.

I’d say most of the LWOP pilots from Jetstar are enjoying it here. Yeah some frustration at times but overall happy. Maybe easier to swallow if already used to Jetstar procedures.

Average take home, all up, maybe just shy of $US9000 after tax but if commuting you need to pay for a ticket home out of that, and still accomodate yourself in Japan also. (Under $1000 for rent and utilities if you stick near Narita)

Cheers for that!

booze

[ryotan16]

Has Anyone done online interview with Jetstar Japan recently?
What kind of questions will be asked?
Any info would be much appreciated.

[eiffel]

How is it like for Europeans over there? Commuting contract 20ON/10OFF? (Long and expensive commute I suppose….) Training wise? (Apart from the extra 2 weeks for JCAB exams…)
Work atmosphere among expats/locals?
Any objective comments welcome!

[THAYSON]

Does any one know someone who was upgraded to captain in Jetstar Japan? I know that in Jetstar Vietnam upgrade works well usually after one year and half of you have more than 3000 flight hours on Airbus 320.
I’m thinking to apply for Jetstar japan because life in japan is much better than life in Vietnam, but i’d Like to know if anyone was upgraded in jetstar japan and how log did it take, thank you!

[galdian]

I hope you get a reply - even if just PM as info from any gaijin actually there seems non existant.

It might be called Jetstar but it they do things their own old JAL ways - and allowed to by Jetstar head management which doesn't say much about porn* management.
They have openly indicated they do not want gaijin pilots and only go through the charade of gaijin screening because forced to.
Along the same lines a gaijin upgrade - interesting western thought!

Things may have changed.

For interest a number of Japanese F/O's have left the chosen land - and J*J - and gone to J*P, a couple (maybe more by now) have been upgraded to Captain.

Good luck.

[galdian]

Thayson your PM box full, clear some space if you want a response.
Cheers.

[THAYSON]

Hi galdian

just done that thank you!

[galdian]

your inbox not accepting for whatever reason (probably as new user), PM email address if you want.

[pipers07]

Hello! I am considering start the process at Jetstar Japan for the DEC. Currently flying at China, but want a change.
Any information on the average take away home salary at Jetstar Japan? Also about the attitude toward westerns and overall environment?

Thanks in advance

[tgo15]

Im currently in china too.
Im wondering if they’ll ask accident incident letter from caac, some companies need that and its ridiculous knowing that its impossible for them to give it to us. My company could provide, but not the one from caac.
Few years in here and i have to fight for my documents. Good luck !


Hello! I am considering start the process at Jetstar Japan for the DEC. Currently flying at China, but want a change.
Any information on the average take away home salary at Jetstar Japan? Also about the attitude toward westerns and overall environment?

Thanks in advance

[THAYSON]

Im currently in china too.
Im wondering if they’ll ask accident incident letter from caac, some companies need that and its ridiculous knowing that its impossible for them to give it to us. My company could provide, but not the one from caac.
Few years in here and i have to fight for my documents. Good luck !




The May ask your:

Recent Employer Reference with contact details for referee from either your current or previous airline (your reference letter must include no accident / incident report and total hours flown with the airline).

This was asked me by the CAEPARC.

[sebotop]

Hello guys
someone got info about Jetstar Japan interview and sim ???

[sebotop]

Someone got info about the interview process?????
sim interview questions.....

[hollocapwll]

Oh, JAL guys. When i did I the sim evaluation, the PM (old JAL inspector) can’t finish the gravity landing gear extension check list. He forgot but the crank down after three circle. I was shooting the VOR, 1 mile to the FAP, I ordered him to put the crank down which i thought embarrassed him. Outcome was sent by email , failure.

[ryotan16]

my interview and sim are also coming up in September. Any info or PM is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

[Dext]

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone who is currently over in Japan working with Jetstar could PM me some details on the tax you can expect whilst living in Tokyo.

Thanks!



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[pilotchute]

If you earn about 10 million yen you will take home about 7.5 million.

[bringbackthe80s]

If you earn about 10 million yen you will take home about 7.5 million.

That would be a very good monthly salary indeed

[RUMBEAR]

Dext

Something to think about if you intend to be a tax resident of Australia ( I.e. Commute ) is the social insurance deductions and whether they are tax credits or not. In Japan you may feel you are paying a fair share of your income to the Japanese government and then come home and pay more to the Australian government. A lengthy discussion with your accountant would be the best advise.

[Dext]

Thanks for the information. Intention would be to reside in Japan and pay taxes there. Looks to be about the same tax rate as Australia. Guess I will need to hunt down a tax agent over here with Japanese tax experience.

[jpn crj driver]

Thanks for the information. Intention would be to reside in Japan and pay taxes there. Looks to be about the same tax rate as Australia. Guess I will need to hunt down a tax agent over here with Japanese tax experience.
Hey Dext

Last year my effective tax rate in Jpn was 36% (Natl, Prefec, city)... All pay and allowances are taxable except per deim... I am not at JJ but another Japanese Airline and a taxable resident... Expect about 900,000 a year for NHI which JJ will cover half I believe... Jpn SS not sure which program they will place you in but could range from 16000 to 55000 jpy a month again JJ covers half... As always consult a tax pro for real facts, milage and rates may vary...

Kampai, Jpn Crj Driver

[seahawk777]

Hi all,

New here :) I was having a look around for some info about the Jetstar Japan selection process and I came across a site aviationzorro.com/flight-crew

It seems to have some useful stuff that may be of help. You have to register your email but it’s free to access the information.

[4runner]

That would be a very good monthly salary indeed

A good salary for an airline Captain? Hardly. You’d do double that in the US as an RJ Captain.

[ScepticalOptomist]

Quote:
Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s

That would be a very good monthly salary indeed


A good salary for an airline Captain? Hardly. You’d do double that in the US as an RJ Captain.

Think the important word in the sentence is MONTHLY!!

10 million Yen is about USD$95,000 - that’s a hell of a MONTHLY salary... :)

[ZaGaikokujin]

Think the important word in the sentence is MONTHLY!!
10 million Yen is about USD$95,000 - that’s a hell of a MONTHLY salary... :)

Are you sure about those numbers? 10M JPY sounds more like a yearly salary to me.
I doubt any (Japanese) company will pay a (foreign) captain that much.

[ScepticalOptomist]

Of course the person posting those figures meant annually... :)

[galdian]

Hi all

Jokes aside, just a comment for awareness for any interested.

When working for SKY all payments were net, at end of J tax year figures were "bulked up" and the company paid the applicable tax and provided the final tax certificate as proof. Clean and clear. Couple of years ago, things may have changed at SKY...or not.

I note the different contracts for Peach/Spring J/J*J seem to mix and match, some payments taxed/some not and as jjp.crj suggests a figure of 30-33% a fair expectation for all the 3 tiers of tax within Japan if applicable.

AirJapan totally different concept and N/A.

Would suggest accountants have "tweaked" things in some companies - probably not to the benefit of the pilot, strange about that!! Be aware.
Cheers.

[bringbackthe80s]

A good salary for an airline Captain? Hardly. You’d do double that in the US as an RJ Captain.

ahahahah!! 200.000 us per month, very good indeed

[tgo15]

Hey guys!
finally if everything is set, im ready to move to tokyo earlier next year.
But, i have no idea about living in tokyo. What i know is the company will provide me hotel during the training.. but after that my family will come to live with me.. my question is, which district should i search for house / apartment? i want a direct subway/train access to Narita Airport.. and international school around. And how much it will cost 2-3bedrooms room?
i dont know where else to ask.. im wondering if anyone of you currently living with your family in Tokyo. Any help would be great. Thanks!

[bringbackthe80s]

House hunt will come later (much later). If you want a decent 2 bedroom apartment in Tokyo itself and good subway and train connections plan for 3000 usd per month and you’ll be safe. International school plan from 1200 to 2500 usd per month depending on age of children and school.
Good luck

[The Dominican]

Think the important word in the sentence is MONTHLY!!
10 million Yen is about USD$95,000 - that’s a hell of a MONTHLY salary... :)


Japanese companies don't pay their CEO's that much money! This company has airplanes on the ground because of lack of crews, last I heard from somebody in the industry here is they are having a lot of issues filling classes!

If the money would be anywhere adequate I know several AJX guys that would have made the jump already.

[bafanguy]

This company has airplanes on the ground because of lack of crews, last I heard from somebody in the industry here is they are having a lot of issues filling classes!


Dom,

To your knowledge, has this company publicly admitted their difficulty staffing the airline to the media and shareholders(if there are any) ? I suspect they might be reluctant to admit that.

[pilotchute]

Difficulty because they insist on 3000 hours total and 1000 jet hours just for an FO.
These are the mins for Hong Kong Express. I think they even pay more than jetstar.

Minimum 1,000 hours of which 500 hours must be on an aircraft with a maximum certificated takeoff weight of more than 5,670kg driven by turbines, and used for commercial aviation or
Minimum 1,000 hours of which 500 hours on corporate jet; or
Minimum 2,000 hours of which 500 hours on civil registered transport aircraft certificated for multi-crew operations
Holder of a valid Multi-Engine ICAO CPL (gained without exemptions)

Now HKE may not be the best company but they are realistic with mins for employment

[Kaboobla]

Huge different between passing a Japanese ATPL course and a course with HKE.

The minimums are high because its possible to be upgraded in just over three years if everything falls into place.

Recruiting minimums and standards are set by the JCAB for non designated air carrier status airlines in Japan

To the Dominican - all airframes currency utilised. No lack of FOs, shortage of Captains. Package includes housing and commuting for expats, so your post on costs of getting to Narita is not relevant.

Company apartment provided in Kozinomori during training.

[pilotchute]

With 3000TT and 1000 jet 3 years isn't a quick upgrade. If you have 1000 hours jet then 12-18 months in the bus is more than enough. If you are competant.

But if that's the rules then bad luck for jetstar

[blink]

Huge different between passing a Japanese ATPL course and a course with HKE.

The minimums are high because its possible to be upgraded in just over three years if everything falls into place.

Recruiting minimums and standards are set by the JCAB for non designated air carrier status airlines in Japan

To the Dominican - all airframes currency utilised. No lack of FOs, shortage of Captains. Package includes housing and commuting for expats, so your post on costs of getting to Narita is not relevant.

Company apartment provided in Kozinomori during training.

I seriously doubt an Expat FO has been able to upgrade in just over 3 years, let alone EVER at JJP. Don’t give false hopes of ever upgrading to Expats heading there because even just passing FO training there is against the odds.

How about sharing all the recent Initial Pass/Fail Rates for Expat Captain’s and FO’s? My guess is around 30%, and that is being generous.

All airframes being utilized? Honto? So are there not any planes consistently parked over by the hangars near the 34L? How about all the Flight cancellations due to shortage of pilots?

This is comical! Please put down the Green-Tea flavored Kool-Aid and come back to reality!

[blink]

Hey guys!
finally if everything is set, im ready to move to tokyo earlier next year.
But, i have no idea about living in tokyo. What i know is the company will provide me hotel during the training.. but after that my family will come to live with me.. my question is, which district should i search for house / apartment? i want a direct subway/train access to Narita Airport.. and international school around. And how much it will cost 2-3bedrooms room?
i dont know where else to ask.. im wondering if anyone of you currently living with your family in Tokyo. Any help would be great. Thanks!

Nearest International School will be in Yokohama (on the opposite side of Tokyo) and it won’t be cheap.

Living in Japan as Expat will be extremely challenging and will require support from your Company while there to help you get set-up and be a Guarantor for your Housing, which I seriously doubt you will get from JJP.

[Kaboobla]

Many international schools in downtown Tokyo. No need to go to Yokohama

Nearest is actually in Chiba. Makuhari International School. Some JJP guys have their kids there already I heard.

[ryotan16]

Hey tgo15,

It really depends on what kind of life style you want in Japan.
Living in the middle of Tokyo can be really expensive. Decent 2-3 bed room apartment cost 200,000-300,000 jpy.
And many people in Tokyo don't even own cars because parking costs about 30,000-50,000 jpy.

Living near Narita could reduce cost of living to 1/3 of Tokyo and you can easily own a car.
But Narita is far from Tokyo and might feel bored if you are city kinda guy.

I would personally suggest near Kaihin Makuhari area which is between Narita and Tokyo with good mixture of city and relaxed life style.
There is also a international school. There is also a direct bus to Narita which takes about 40 mins non-stop.
Town itself is very safe and clean. Cost of living would be aprox half of center of Tokyo.

Don't even think about Yokohama. Commuting to Narita will take almost 2 hours although the city is very nice.

Let me know or PM me if you need other info. Cheers.

[A321drvr]

Sitting in a restaurant with a friend who works for JJP and showing him this thread.

His two cents: probably the shortest training of all the Japanese companies for rated, expat DEC-s. No expat FO-s have been upgraded, yet. Some are in the works but the results are yet to be seen.

No airframes on the ground, however flights have been cancelled during busy seasons due to lack of crew - it is already included in the 83% of OTP for the last year or so.

Failure rate of the usual suspects is high due to the "...but in my previous company..." attitude. Guys who are humble and understanding towards the sensitivities of the Japanese culture combined with a great attitude didn't have problems passing.

[longago9]

It would be very interesting to know wether the new advertised roster of 16on/14off is actually being offered and enjoyed by people working there. Or if this is just being used as bait for people to join.
Is this for real? (if yes) Wondering if it will last..
And if it is real, will you be able to do it/arrange it throughout the year as an agreement with the scheduling department?

[The Dominican]

It would be very interesting to know wether the new advertised roster of 16on/14off is actually being offered and enjoyed by people working there. Or if this is just being used as bait for people to join.
Is this for real? (if yes) Wondering if it will last..
And if it is real, will you be able to do it/arrange it throughout the year as an agreement with the scheduling department?
They know that this is offered at other operators in Japan and they need more than just attract pilots, they need to keep them. If they start messing around with the contract like that people will just take their type and their 500 hours and tell them to pound sand. I don’t think they will do that, now about the training and checking culture, that’s a whole different topic.

[ryotan16]

Hi,

Where did you find this info BTW?

[Tima84]

Guys,

Good day, is it true that training takes up to 9 months and is very tough?
Could you also advise on what kind of net salary can be expected?

[samca]

They know that this is offered at other operators in Japan and they need more than just attract pilots, they need to keep them. If they start messing around with the contract like that people will just take their type and their 500 hours and tell them to pound sand. I don’t think they will do that, now about the training and checking culture, that’s a whole different topic.

I’m interested also in getting more info for CPT commuting contract16/14

Also how tough is the training. Is it a friendly atmosphere?? Or they go for expats?
Also how much money you make in this type of commuting contract. NET

Thank you

[j.nips]

Training is truly and utterly horrible according to some who had qualified last year, however flying on the line is a bliss. Easy ops, and good commuting.

Unfortunately there is a high failure rate during initial training/checking - the real problem with it is that most of the candidates lost their currency in other parts of the World by the time they through all the hoops of groundschool and sims to attend the licence proficiency check during which there is an actual 30-40% failure rate.

Money is okay...expect around 1.2-1.3m yen pm once on the line, plus bonuses and occasional tax returns. 900k during training. 20/10 roster is only avail once passed the company line check - and boy, that won't happen for at least 5-6 months from start...

[j.nips]

For the guys who PM-ed me: I can’t answer as I’m new here on pprune (must be something to do with building up history before being able to use PM), however since I do not work for Jetstar Japan, I can only pass on info what I’ve heard from my buddies working over there.

[novicef]

There are a number of pilots like myself who hold JCAB licences. Perhaps Jetstar should offer them Oz seniority numbers as an incentive to apply. Also perhaps those with both JCAB and A320 be offered more than the JPY 2,000,000.

My two cents worth.

[galdian]

Just find it's interesting you (apparently) think J*J is part of the Jetstar group.

The locals running the show probably have a very different opinion on that - and manage/dictate accordingly.

Cheers

[Qwark]

There are a number of pilots like myself who hold JCAB licences. Perhaps Jetstar should offer them Oz seniority numbers as an incentive to apply. Also perhaps those with both JCAB and A320 be offered more than the JPY 2,000,000.

My two cents worth.

Some agencies are saying Australian pilots do get an Australian seniority number now. They actually say fly in Japan and then return to Aus as a direct entry captain. That last bit is a little far fetched though I think.

[volare_737]

What Agency would that be ???? Any pointers ???

[Qwark]

Aeroprofessional

[novicef]

Some agencies are saying Australian pilots do get an Australian seniority number now. They actually say fly in Japan and then return to Aus as a direct entry captain. That last bit is a little far fetched though I think.

Far fetched very likely... I would even say close to impossible unless the airline is seeking industrial trouble. However an Oz seniority number is quite feasible.... All depends on how keen Jetstar is to obtain pilots in Japan knowing fully well the course the JCAB put them through and the inherent failure rate.
Jetstar Oz would have to openly state that, otherwise a statement made to that effect would have to be verified in writing by Jetstar in Australia.

[galdian]

Would it be remiss to point out that ANY who thought a path through any of the subsidiaries could see them end up in J* OZ is...interesting?

Firstly point out that residency/ability to live in OZ to fly for J* OZ would be a requirement, for whatever reason doubt J* head office will facilitate that for non qualifiers.

EXISTING J* OZ pilots/QF pilots can/have taken LWOP to go and fly with subsidiaries entities, some just for the experience, some to accelerate command, whatever.
The thought that you can become a J* OZ pilot by being a contract pilot in a subsidiary entity....interesting, maybe delusional. Take your pick.

Cheers.

[ok45]

Hi guys, I was looking at JJP new commuting roster; they are now offering 10 consecutive days per month. Anyone knows if we get to attach annual leave into the day off? Do they provide 1 travel day at the beginning and 1 at the end of the 10 days off, like Korean Air for example. Thanks!

[Just_landed]

Hi All.
I have gotten the agency package for this job (DEC A320 rated) and it talks about minimum secured salary for 60 hours only. Above that it will be overtime pay. The package however is based on 80 hour block(10.5K net). Agency is saying that flying is actually close to 80 or even more. BUT.....

All I want to ask is do JJ* pilots actually fly 80 hrs or the company tries their best to restrict flying to 60 hrs per head to avoid paying OT.
If it is 60, The Net Salary after tax is really less for a Capt I think (8.2K USD).

Can somebody verify this?

Cheers!!!

[JetBus]

So currently an expat at JJP. The 16 on 14 off is real and a foreign captain is currently doing that. Currently expat FOs are in the upgrade pipeline. Whether or not they make it through to the other side remains to be seen. There is certainly lots of encouragement from management for the foreigners to upgrade. Check and training captains are also fond of it and encourage many to go for it. You will work hard. They cannot willfully keep the hours down to avoid overtime for cost saving. Chronic crew shortages. As with anywhere, over 90% are great guys. Only a handful are challenging. Training is long and excruciating. If a commuter you will not go home for 5/6 months until it’s completed. Be prepared to memorize things that have no useful purpose to satisfy the JCAB overlords. Attitude is very important. Show eagerness to learn their culture and you will be welcomed. Happy to answer any PM’s. Of course this is all prior to the industry as a whole going down the toilet. That said Japan domestic is still ok. FOs on 40ish hours and skippers near 60. For now.

Good luck to all.

[adaminkl]

So currently an expat at JJP. The 16 on 14 off is real and a foreign captain is currently doing that. Currently expat FOs are in the upgrade pipeline. Whether or not they make it through to the other side remains to be seen. There is certainly lots of encouragement from management for the foreigners to upgrade. Check and training captains are also fond of it and encourage many to go for it. You will work hard. They cannot willfully keep the hours down to avoid overtime for cost saving. Chronic crew shortages. As with anywhere, over 90% are great guys. Only a handful are challenging. Training is long and excruciating. If a commuter you will not go home for 5/6 months until it’s completed. Be prepared to memorize things that have no useful purpose to satisfy the JCAB overlords. Attitude is very important. Show eagerness to learn their culture and you will be welcomed. Happy to answer any PM’s. Of course this is all prior to the industry as a whole going down the toilet. That said Japan domestic is still ok. FOs on 40ish hours and skippers near 60. For now.

Good luck to all.

Thanks for the information about Jetstar Japan. Helps a lot. If you don’t mind me asking, I have few questions that I would like to ask :

1) Travel benefits. Is ZED fare provided or just within Jetstar / Qantas / JAL ?

2) Most of the contracts that I read, are mostly for 3 years. And if I’m not mistaken, you don’t have to pay tax for your first year because you’re still not considered residence. Is that true ?

3) How much is the take home salary during training and also when clear on line, after tax.

I’m currently looking for options, and Jetstar is one of them. I love Japan, I visit Japan almost every year and if given the chance, I would definitely move there. I applied from the Web for Type rated DEC and now in the middle of submitting my documents. Tried to sent message via PM but apparently your storage is full.

Thank you in advance,
Adam A.

[JetBus]

Thanks for the information about Jetstar Japan. Helps a lot. If you don’t mind me asking, I have few questions that I would like to ask :

1) Travel benefits. Is ZED fare provided or just within Jetstar / Qantas / JAL ?

2) Most of the contracts that I read, are mostly for 3 years. And if I’m not mistaken, you don’t have to pay tax for your first year because you’re still not considered residence. Is that true ?

3) How much is the take home salary during training and also when clear on line, after tax.

I’m currently looking for options, and Jetstar is one of them. I love Japan, I visit Japan almost every year and if given the chance, I would definitely move there. I applied from the Web for Type rated DEC and now in the middle of submitting my documents. Tried to sent message via PM but apparently your storage is full.

Thank you in advance,
Adam A.

No trouble, I'll answer as best I can.

1. ID tickets are on a rather long list of airlines. Funnily enough, despite JAL being a major investor, staff travel is technically not permitted with them. However, they still appear on the staff travel website and bookings can be made. Most get away with it but some have recieved a phone call from a manager stating not to use them after the ticket had been used.

2. The tax situation is a bit confusing. My understanding is it works on how much you earned your previous year. So first year is unknown so you're put in the lowest tax bracket. pretty close to no tax but still paying some.

3. During training you can expect roughly ¥700,000 as a captain. Once checked to line, assuming we go back to sense of normality with overtime ¥1,200,000. The payroll system changed last week so all previous payslip were lost.

Good luck, wish you all the best for whatever option you take.

[ciccinovolante]

Hi guys. Is there anyone with fresh news about assessment process, specially regarding online interview? If yes, would you mind to share them? I've been invited to attend this session and I'd like to prepare myself as good as possible. Thanks to whoever will post useful info.

[Kaboobla]

You are wasting your time. All hiring is about to stop due to COVID

[ciccinovolante]

Well, I guess they'll restart soon or later

[j.nips]

A "crystal ball" tells me that even when hiring restarts they'll prioritise Japanese pilots furloughed from other operators both within the country and from outside, like Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, etc. followed by expats who passed their assessment already but no starting date due to cv19 before even thinking of new hires.

[Microturbo]

Hi, I heard that all the Jeststar Japan instructors were Japanese, is it true?

[JetBus]

Hi, I heard that all the Jeststar Japan instructors were Japanese, is it true?

Yes, all instructors, check captains and DAC approved checkers are Japanese. They all seem to be of the opinion when you talk to them that that will change. They also want it too.

[gcarmas]

Dear colleagues, I wonder is Japanese medical exam is as extensive and rigorous as the Chinese one? Your thoughts will be highly appreciated.

[bringbackthe80s]

It is comparable to an initial Class 1 in the west plus a chest x ray and brain waves. And BMI < 30

[A321drvr]

It is comparable to an initial Class 1 in the west plus a chest x ray and brain waves. And BMI < 30

According to a friend of mine eye tests were more comprehensive than he has ever experienced elsewhere. Also they start sucking their teeth once BMI is crawling towards the high 28-29s.

[bringbackthe80s]

Guys, being an airline pilot in Japan is a big deal. It is not seen as casually as in some western countries nowadays.
This is reflected in the medical and in many other things.
Make of it what you wish.

[The Dominican]

Dear colleagues, I wonder is Japanese medical exam is as extensive and rigorous as the Chinese one? Your thoughts will be highly appreciated.
It is! In particular the 60+ medicals, you have to wear a heart monitor for 24 hours amongst other ridiculous requirements. Hi rate of failures on the over 60 medicals so if you're looking at this option as your retirement gig, be mindful that your retirement might come earlier than your mandatory retirement age.

[j.nips]

Rumor has it that both expats and locals still under training are getting the boot, also expats who's contract expires within the winter schedule (down to 19 aircraft from 25) won't be renewed.

[The Dominican]

Rumor has it that both expats and locals still under training are getting the boot, also expats who's contract expires within the winter schedule (down to 19 aircraft from 25) won't be renewed.
it wouldn't surprise me, all gaijin pilots at Air Japan had their contracts cancelled...

[A321drvr]

Rishworth is advertising for this lot, both seats TR/NTR A320. The only requirement however is a JCAB ATP and possibly being located in Japan atm.