Gulfstream 650 type rating

[space-shuttle-driver]

I hear that FSI now has 4 sims up & running for the G650; 2x Savannah, 1x Wilmington and 1x Long Beach.
Would any GLF driver on this forum know if & when FSI's monopoly will be broken?
And also, would anyone know if they ever gave a discount on their 85,300USD price?

[Global_Global]

not likely. GLF has choosen FSI as their preferred vendor and I assume they got the data package at the best rate. Not much incentive for CAE or L3 to try to fight into such a small market....

[Abbeville]

Are there enough G650s, in Europe-Middle East, to justify a European based sim?

I know FSI have a G550 at Farnborough?

[FrankR]

I believe $83,000 USD is the old, lower price for 650 initial.

Big G chose FSI because CAE did such a poor job with the training on the GV/G550,,,, Not likely to change this view anytime this century.

Have you noticed that FSI center managers always sit near the front door and say Hello, and CAE managers are well hidden and protected by ranks of assistants.... Just sayin'

FR

[dirk85]

The 100k USD mark was passed long time ago for the 650, as far as I know.

Same for the Global Vision.

[space-shuttle-driver]

Thanx for the input, I now got a quote for the Global Vision for 55k, USD, and it's actually a GLEX rating with the differences course included. FSI also responded with 83500 for the G650. Slot availability is an issue with all of them.

[WildRover]

I am led to believe CAE will have a G650 in Dubai in the near future.

[leondelfierro]

I understand that at least in SAV if your name doesn't have a serial with it, you won't be given a seat on an initial class

[A Pandy]

Just got back from G650 recurrent in Savannah. The latest word about the 5th simulator is that a decision is yet to be made about where it will be based. The most likely locations are either one of the European locations or in the Middle East. This is the word from FSI themselves.
Regarding the cost of training. I typed out of the very first initial class in 2012 and back then the cost was $98600 as I recall. Later the cost for initial went over the $100,000 mark. The $83500 price being quoted is the same price I have heard quoted for a recurrent although this was second hand and I cannot vouch for it.

[ra4000]

Are you guys have a such big ego that have to spend 100k for work?

[flydive1]

Are you guys have a such big ego that have to spend 100k for work?

Depends on the work. Nothing to do with ego.

And anyway not much different than working for peanuts as you like so much.;)

[ra4000]

Flydive1
Your comment about I like working for peanuts is based on what?
2)I know few operators that have a 650 and no one of those operator will hire people that paid for the type

[CaptainProp]

....but they will hire experienced crew and send them for initial? Or just poaching rated crew from other operators?

CP

[flydive1]

Flydive1
Your comment about I like working for peanuts is based on what?

I did not say that you like to work for peanuts, but that you like the system.

According to you, young people should work almost for free because they should be grateful to be given a job.

http://www.pprune.org/north-america/523799-pilot-shortage-us.html


2)I know few operators that have a 650 and no one of those operator will hire people that paid for the type

I guess you never heard of freelance/contract pilots?
They are colleagues working on short time base, usually to cover temporary shortages. They are normally paid on a daily rate. Plenty of companies use their services. Ask your friends.

[ra4000]

Dear flydive1
What I said is for a 20 years old kid start a flying career on the right seat in CRJ or embraer and get paid 20k is a good starting point.

Captainprop and again flydive1
All the owners they got a 650 usually are owners that upgrade from a GIV Glex and so forth. What they do is send the own pilot for a training and the company manage Their airplane send the own floating pilot for training.
Part 135 if you are not trained under the company procedure they cannot use contract or freelance

[flydive1]

You might not be aware, but there are at least a couple of part91/private operations in USA and in the world.

[ra4000]

I am very aware
I know half of them and I can guarantee that none of them use outside people

[flydive1]

You know half of the worldwide private operators? Man I'm impressed.

Luckily there is still the other half so freelancers can survive.

P.S. By the way the operator you know, do not pay for their pilots training?(after the free one with the airframe)

[ra4000]

Sarcam is for loser

[ra4000]

When you buy a 650, they give you 4 type rating
And the company that mange those airplanes,usually get some free type rating because they send so many pilots every year

[flydive1]

Lol Lol.

Was just answering your statement, sorry if I have hurt your feelings;)

[flydive1]

When you buy a 650, they give you 4 type rating
And the company that mange those airplanes,usually get some free type rating because they send so many pilots every year


Yes and when those 4-5 freebies run out they have to pay for training(unless they take already rated pilots)

[B200Drvr]

ra4000. The number of pilot ITR's that come with a new G550 or 650 is completely negotiable, but is usually 3 not 4. It also comes with a Mx initial and an FA initial. All of these can be traded up or down for spares and maintenance or indeed other training.
As far as Part 91 and some 135 companies go, most don't give a damn who paid for the rating, it is no less of a rating if you paid for it yourself. What they care about is experience, attitude etc. Our contract pilots are responsible for ALL their own training, and in return for that, we pay them a substantially higher daily rate than a normal line pilot. They are short term contracts to fill in, are expected to know company procedures and expected to be current and qualified.
The reason you don't see many 135 contract pilots is the required 6 monthly recurrent, which would make it financially non viable or profitable.
I have never sat in an interview where a candidate has met all the requirements but the panel has said " Oh no, we can't take him, he self funded his type rating"
Companies are about making money, irrespective of the moral arguments for or against "self funded training"