VNA Latest Terms

[Roti Canai]

So who saw that email about upgrade terms to 787 or 350?
Am I right for example A321 to 787 is 62500 USD repayable at
3K per month taken from salary on top of 20K up front plus D risk
of failing final check. Maybe I need an eye test.

[Chunks]

Welcome to VNA where you have to pay 60k plus for the privilege of operating their aircraft.

[Roti Canai]

Good I dont need an eye checkup anyway its so good offer I must
offer myself:}

[BAe 146-100]

Plenty of fools will sign up for it, don't worry about that.

[pezetaroi]

Tough news for the B777 and -in the near future- A330 crews, they will actually have to invest around 50K to keep flying in Vietnam...:\
I really hope that conditions for the transition improve, of course, it all comes to how many expat pilots actually accept the current terms...

[Roti Canai]

B4 the email I posted about I saw an earlier one sent by crew pointing out the crappy terms.
As you say will depend on how many
will sign up or can politic the way around the Payment or move to other 777/330 ops.

[bringbackthe80s]

I don't really see how this will work, I know they are very short of pilots especially on the 320, so how are they going to attract people with this terms? Is this paying thing only on long haul as a way to keep/get people on the short haul fleet?

[ikon757]

Well people will pay cause the amount of pilots leaving and coming here form europe is huge.
The rouble is down so lot of russian here.
Whats the alternative?
not much by way of choice.

[bringbackthe80s]

Right so if you're there and you see it, are they not way short of pilots?
That's the roumor I heard, might be wrong though

[ikon757]

Right so if you're there and you see it, are they not way short of pilots?
That's the roumor I heard, might be wrong though

They are badly in need of pilots,but its a government airline.
So whose gonna take decisions?Whose responsible?Whose accountable?
This is the way things are here and all agencies PARC/DPI/Rishworth dance to their tunes.

9 months here and I realised that this is not the place I want to be,dont like something you see,leave.I just quit.

I dont believe that its right to stay and keep complaining.

[bringbackthe80s]

Ok thanks, and could you say what is it you didn't like that made you leave?

[ikon757]

This Airline is catching up with getting organized.You have to do lot of self service in the meanwhile.

Any parameter exceedance /Incident they will deduct from pay some amount depending on severity.No corrective training unlike other airlines.
Its there in your contract,so read it thoroughly.

Their work ethics is something I could not put up with,But at the same time there are guys here for years ,so I guess its what you are made up of.


Hope this helps...

[pezetaroi]

"Any parameter exceedance /Incident they will deduct from pay some amount depending on severity." Really? Well perhaps we should hear more about your story.... I know of colleagues -and even myself- that when falling into a Level 1-2 or even 3 parameter, we have made a written report of the ocurrence/incident and no punitive action has been taken.
I do find VNA a good place to work at, obviously, there is no perfect job, but if you can cope with the culture and accept things how they are done here, you'll enjoy your stay.

[chai ja]

Can you still smoke in the cockpit?;) I loved my two years flying at VNA on the 6/3 roster. Most of the pr**ks were Central Americans or the rare Indian, the rest were great including the locals....But all of my batch hated Hanoi! 7 of us of the course, zero remained after 2.5 years...

[iggy]

Yeah, from what I heard from up on the road smoking still happens in the cockpit as long as there is enough quorum to keep it in the family.

Hanoi base is still the working horse of VNA and VJ, the revolving door doesn't stop spinning over there but that doesn't seem to be noticed by management who still tries to cut costs on those bases in transport and allowances.

Kimono, don't you worry about those 6 expats, they must be dying to cross the road to VJ :p

[iggy]

Making less money?

Not quite...

[Dihedral1]

If rumor is true, perhaps inducement to make the rest of the 330 guys pay VNA to keep their jobs, by paying to go on the 350/787.

Hard sell for guys, as they haven't even provided the new salaries, so guys may never recoup the cost of the move and not many jobs (realistically none, maybe Norwegian, CSA and HNA all 787 which requires over 60K for training plus bond plus 50% pay to make that transition).

Maybe ANA will offer them a job on the A380:ok:

[kwaiyai]

Last year while I was still in Cambodia a bunch of VNA Local's used the 3 month
contract to get out of VNA to go VJ. The DFO at the time also left
for VJ that way. Salary was main reason and lies about the 350 upgrade at the time helping them.

[youwantmetodowhat]

Anyone there hear about the latest 350 depressurisation debacle. I heard a story and I still can't believe it!! Are there any expats on the 350?!?

[wingdeagle]

All I can read from the press is a loss of cabin pressure on the 350, which can happen to any aircraft of any airline and happens rather frequently somewhere in the world. Do you guys care to share any more details you may know, as you seem to be pointing fingers at the crew (perhaps rightly so, if there is more to the story). Thanks.

[Alloy]

P2F are the lowest of the low. Sad to here VNA are going down this route?

[lucaone]

Hi to everyone! I just finish 2 days ago my base traning on A320, is there anyone who know any options ( Without pay!!!! ) to start to work or have some training ? I have been looking for Asia which seem to be a good place but then I discover that is P2f :uhoh:
thank you!

[kwaiyai]

Is he a VNA Captain by any chance? LOL glad I left that region for Sand Dunes.

[Roti Canai]

The words out,
I heard its 2 VNA Italian guys involved with VNA on this. I also heard some of the wannabees fail d assessment ald. Hopefully it will all go wrong for these 2.

[sahidahm]

I can not believe what I have been told ! The 6 FOs got fired to save money on their recurrent PPC and Hotac.

What such good publicity for this crap, so called National Flag Carrier of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam and for the pimps( Parc and Rishworth ) working for them !

And these monkeys want to be a 4* airline .

Kimono 1950 ...
I have some very bad news for you...
Ready?
Vna get the 4th stars already!
there are already expat crews on A350 and B787
In the next months also the expat from A321 will begin to change fleet onA350 and 787
All the 2 stripes cadets now have 3 stripes, and they will have the full expat contract very soon..

If you need I can suggest some good medicines for your stomach pains after reading these news...

[ThunderLizard]

...glad I left that region for Sand Dunes.Of course the sand is not without its own issues but at least no P2F, at the ME3 anyway

[che ci dò che ci dò!]

Guys, have just been told by a friend who's attended last month the selection for a capt pos A320 that the new contract is as follow:
- 10800 usd bond for 5 years
- first month upon joining with no pay, then reduced pay for line training, normal pay only after line check
- they pretend they pay all tax in Vietnam, but this is actually not true as they don't provide an official tax record, just a crappy unofficial document which doesn't even worth the paper it's written on
- last but not least, in case of dismissal from company's side, even in case of medical failure, pilot has to refund all training expenses
Can anyone confirm this??
Hope it's not true

[ikon757]

Well I dont know if anyone there would tell you but Keep away if you have that gut feeling.
have you read some of the posts about the? There are plenty of other carriers giving standard contract.

[fatbus]

1950, you one of the 6 FOs ? If not you have an attitude problem. Or maybe that was the issue!!

[diamondstar15]

Does anyone know the details of salary being paid for the position?

Also, do they pay a gratuity at the completion of the 5 year contract?

What are the prospects for command upgrade from RHS 787 to LHS 787?

Is there still a huge pay disparity between expats and locals there? Any friction caused in relations between the 2 as a result of it?

[Sharklet]

Posting to revive this thread. Has anyone got any update on the latest drive for B787 FO's?

[dl_88]

not working for them, but saw an article that they are trying to lease out their 321s/350s & 787.

Basically whole of asia is hurting right now, doubt you would want to come here at this time.

[bringbackthe80s]

not working for them, but saw an article that they are trying to lease out their 321s/350s & 787.

Basically whole of asia is hurting right now, doubt you would want to come here at this time.

Funny because I hear the same thing in Europe. Maybe we should stop listening to the managers crying with their millions in the bank, and show that if they want us to fly their planes in the good times, then they’d better not come up with ideas during the not so good times.

[safelife]

VNA losing over a million dollar in revenues each day due to WuFlu is what I hear.

[King on a Wing]

Gents. May I ask what are the expected terms and conditions for a 787 skipper. I mean salary wise and otherwise. How is the working and staying condition please. And which base would be best.
Thanks in advance.