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Speedwinner
4th Jan 2016, 08:16
Hello folks,

Going to arrive at Ben Gurion Tel Aviv at 9 o'clock in the evening could you give me some help which runway will be in use and what type of approach they will fly at night?

Thanks so much!

flyburg
4th Jan 2016, 08:34
Tel Aviv is very straight forward! Only been there late at night and then departed early in the morning. It has a typical sea wind condition, meaning the winds turn around during day and night on account on the land sea temp. During night, usually land on 12(ILS), departure on 26.

Only things that come to mind is make sure at 180miles to call for identification by military and depending on which direction you are coming from or leaving you might fly through the Ercan area of dispute.

Below are excerpt from our manual related to operations to from LLBG, mind you, check your own company info!!

ISRAEL - TEL AVIV FIR
— Enhanced security procedures
• From before reaching the identification point (see below) until after landing: Switch on the ’Fasten
Seatbelts’ sign and do not open the cockpit door except for safety reasons.
• Overflying flights from Amman: The above procedure applies from TKOF until exiting the FIR.
— MIL identification by Tel Aviv CTL
• E-bound: Before 180 NM from Ben Gurion 'BGN', call Tel Aviv Identification 124.300 (sec. 132.050).
• From Amman: Before 10 NM east of TALMI or SALAM, call Tel Aviv CTL 121.400 or 132.050.
• Northbound via R650: At least 10 min before Sharm-El-Sheikh 'SHM', call South Identification 122.850
or 132.000. Maintain at or above FL120, unless cleared otherwise.
— Eastbound into TLV, early descent
Arrange with Nicosia RAD to cross (abeam) VELOX, LEDRA or ERIMO at FL310 or below at IAS 265 kt,
and, except 0001 - 0300 UTC, SOLIN at FL90 or below.
— Entry
• Eastbound entry only allowed via DAVAR, MERVA, SOLIN or GITLA.
• Without previously assigned transponder code, squawk 6400 (lower airspace: 4200).
— Non-standard altimeter setting over land
• Regional QNH is used, except in Tel Aviv TMA or (other ADs) in the CTR: Aerodrome QNH.
• Arriving: Change to QNH when crossing FL115 or the coastline, whichever comes earlier.
• Departures: Change to FLs when crossing 10 500 ft or the coastline, whichever comes later.

CYPRUS - NICOSIA UIR/FIR
— Southbound from Ankara FIR
Contact Nicosia CTL at least 10 min before TOMBI, DOREN or VESAR. Option of last resort: 121.5.
(Without contact, Nicosia will treat t he flight as having COM failure, consequently discontinuing RVSM.)
There is no intercentre contact between the Ankara and Nicosia ACCs. See also Area in Dispute below.
— MIL activity over the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea
• Maintain airways and minimum FL250.
• Monitor 121.5 and continuously operate WX radar and SSR transponder.
— Potential traffic conflicts: ATC reports frequent violations of ATC rules by foreign MIL traffic.
— Class G airspace
• Below FL195 outside airway, TMA & CTR.
• Position reporting: ICAO Standard.
— Unreliable navaids
Nicosia CAA reports unreliable FMS updates probably caused by ’MUT’, Ercan ’ECN’ and Gecitkale ’GKE’.
— Area in Dispute
• To/from Ankara FIR via the area in dispute (ERCAN ADVISORY AREA on RFC): Additionally, contact
Ercan FIC and maintain listening watch for advisory service and relay to/from Ankara CTL.
• Northbound into Ankara FIR: Contact Ankara CTL at least 10 min before TOMBI or VESAR.
If unable (reportedly, Ankara does not reply to calls from inside Nicosia FIR): Relay via Ercan FIC.
According to Turkish AIS, when unable to contact Ankara CTL, FIR entry will be denied.
• Flights not proceeding to/from Ankara FIR: Do not call Ercan FIC and do not answer their calls.

Have fun!! Great place to have a layover!!

Speedwinner
4th Jan 2016, 08:37
Man perfect answer thanks so much!

wanabee777
4th Jan 2016, 11:37
It helps clearing passport control a lot quicker if a designated crewmember (usually one of the F/O's) collects the gendec and all crew members' passports and delivers them to the airline crew immigration officials (the station on the far left) as soon as possible.

That way when the aircraft is deplaned of all passengers, the passports will be processed and ready (or nearly so) for the entire crew when they reach passport control. You must wait and go through as a crew.

Basil
4th Jan 2016, 13:16
Apologies for not being fully relevant but I recollect flying over the northern end of that bit and speaking simultaneously to Nicosia, Ercan and Latakia.

wanabee777
4th Jan 2016, 14:26
NOTE: “ON BLOCKS” does not mean the chocks are in place. Do not release
parking brake until verbal confirmation is received from ground crew that the
chocks are in.

imriozer
4th Jan 2016, 17:56
If you are arriving Nicosia FIR from the north (turkey) you need to contact them 10-20 minutes prior to arriving to their FIR 126.3 from the east (VESAR) or 125.5 from the west (TOMBI) and say your squawk transponder and estimate over the point.
When arriving from the west is easier, for the east side once you'll pass VESAR Airjan will transfer you to Nicosia and will tell you to call him at ALSUS which you'll proboably get direct to VELOX by Nicosia so answer him "Will call you abeam ALSUS" and leave his frequency and switch to Nicosia.
Once abeam ALSUS call him back on 126.7 on the other radio and just inform him you crossed abeam.
That's the only simultaneously radio call.
Same procedure when going from Nicosia to turkey just backwards.

imriozer
4th Jan 2016, 18:01
Flyburg,

Great info! You need to cross SOLIN 120 or below for all STARS except for the STAR for runway 21 130 or below (which will not be used at 2100 local)