Transavia Germany

[RAT 5]

We are currently seeking experienced B737NG Captains for a permanent contract with our client Transavia to be based in Munich.

Posted by Parc Aviation. Contact Eoin Field.

I wonder what the deal will be on offer, but I suspect it might be very attractive to certain German 'self-employed' contractors. Lovely region with a great quality of life. Wish I was younger.

[Dutchformula]

Its part of the new 'Transavia Europe' on top of France and Holland.

All FO's are Dutch nationals, theyre looking for captains now. Also rumors of a Porto base to come

[safelife]

You cannot be self-employed in Germany, working for only one customer. Ryanair pilots learned that the hard way already.

[Track]

You will be employed directly with Transavia Germany.

[RAT 5]

safelife: exactly my point. There will be those on some shady, not very financially rewarding, tax dodgy, inconvenient life-style contract who would jump at a proper full-time respectable employee contract with proper benefits. I assume they will offer something akin to the host base deal. Munich is not the middle of nowhere and a sensible package will be required to attract career minded quality crews.

[punk3029]

They offer basically a transavia NL contract -20% and minus some of the benefits the NL based crews have, like, pre-retirement arangements (they work less days/hours from 50 onwards for full pay .

The base pay is however based on hours per month
the minimum is around Transavia NL -20% guaranteed, even if you fly 0 hours
If you go over 75 in summer or 65hrs in winter you will receive 1% on top of the basepay per hour So flying 95 hours in summer months will get you up to 100% Transavia NL pay

[Clandestino]

They offer basically a transavia NL contract -20%

That would be 5000€ net/m?

[punk3029]

In NL captain base is from €6000- to €14000 p/m depending on years in company
so i guess as new direct entry captain you get entry level = €5000,-
thats pre-tax then and also without pension which would be extra (as it is in NL) etc but details i do not know.

The nl crew got change to go with priority but only few responded, and then only those who could in this way make a quicker promotion. And further an offer was made to Martinair crew to go, as they are shrinking and need to lay-off crew.

[captplaystation]

Dutchformula said " All FO's are Dutch nationals"


Methinks some of the Ryanair Capts may just stick with their dodgy contracts ;)

[Clandestino]

5.5K€ net in Bergamo or 3.5K€ operating from FJS. Tough choice.

[RAT 5]

Are you suggesting that even the young son of KLM has joined those who depress T's & C's. The thinking that a jet captain in Munich is worth 20% less than a colleague doing the same job in Amsterdam is disappointing. Inevitable, perhaps, but disappointing nevertheless.

[despegue]

Ha,good luck then finding these DEC's on B737...

Except for Germania slaves, I do not think many will be interested for such insult salary.:ugh:

[Smokie]

You would be surprised, horses for courses and all that. Perhaps some one who wants to come "Home" may be better off, no commuting and no rent for where ever they may be at present? So saying, the difference is still shocking to say the least. 😟

[zerotohero]

Dont know what it is about Dutch F/O's but the circles I fly in the general reaction to that is O good god he's Dutch.

As for the pay...... Suppose its ok... Its not going to be enough to attract me though....

[Commuter0815]

5000€ BEFORE tax and social deductions is very weak indeed. And Munich/Bavaria is one of the most expensive regions in Germany. You need to live with Mom and Paps or somewhere in the middle of nowhere on that, especially with a family.

Always though my employer is cheap and greedy, but even they beat this offer. Should be hard to find this DEC's.

Sad how salaries in this responsible profession went downhill over the past 20 years. And then people wonder why so many run to the ME carriers...

[Smokie]

You would be surprised, horses for courses and all that. Perhaps some one who wants to come "Home" may be better off, no commuting and no rent for where ever they may be at present? So saying, the difference is still shocking to say the least. 😟

[Track]

Base pay DEC 737 for the MUC base will start at €8000 before tax. With flight pay this can increase to 10K.

[flyhigh788]

Hey,

Does anyone know what the conditions for the TR for NTR FOs are? Is it self sponsored?

[REMAX11]

Salary table Direct Entry Captain

Captain (entry) => basic salary € 8.364,81 +8% = € 9.033,99 gross p/m winter
Captain (entry) => norm salary € 9.294,23 +8% = € 10.037,76 gross p/m
Summer
+1% payment (of norm salary) per block hour upward potential!

[Track]

#flyhigh: All training paid by the company, including hotel/transportation and/or daily allowance. You will have to sign a bond contract, but no bank guarantees etc required.

[limahotel]

Does anyone know, if you join as an FO how long it would take to move to the left seat? Is it seniority based? .

[fox niner]

The reason why almost all FO's are dutch newbies is this: the flight schools in NL have dumped far too many new kids on the local market. KLM/Transavia NL havent hired anyone the last few years. Thats why they are happy to get a job in MUC, with a familiar airline and a real contract.

[Mister]

Even when you will be hired by Transavia GmbH you will be placed at Transavia NL seniority list as per contract. So answering to you question about upgrade, maybe 10 years? :-)

[Knee Trembler]

Anyone going to the assessment on 21.11.? Feel free to PM.

[lederhosen]

The article in the Financial Times today about the new Air France low cost long haul airline included what might be interpreted as less positive news about Transavia outside France and the Netherlands.

[Kim Jong Il]

HV MUC is not the cost efficient success that it is supposed to be.... Base could well be closed again any time soon.

[Mister]

Where did you get that info from, Kim?. The info I got from people inside de project is that the base is very successfull for the moment :-)

[Kim Jong Il]

U bevriest de uitbreiding van Transavia. Waarom?
'Voorlopig concentreren we ons op de Nederlandse en Franse thuismarkten van Transavia. Het is niet meer onze prioriteit om Transavia ook in de rest van Europa te laten groeien. Onze middelen zijn beperkt, we moeten prioriteiten stellen.'
Sluit u de nieuwe Transavia-basis in München?
'Dat moeten we onderzoeken. Er zijn enige moeilijkheden ten aanzien van de kosten en de omzet. We moeten aan het eind van het jaar besluiten wat we gaan doen.'


https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1174148/voor-mij-zijn-klm-en-air-france-autonoom

Google translate:
You freeze the expansion of Transavia. Why?
"For now we focus on the Dutch and French domestic markets Transavia. It is not our priority to grow Transavia in the rest of Europe. Our resources are limited, we have to prioritize. "
Close the new Transavia base in Munich?
"We have to investigate. There are some difficulties with respect to the cost and the sales. We must decide by the end of the year what to do. "

[Mister]

Thanks for the info )))

[Longhitter]

Have another think about going there:

Air France-KLM: Attempting to rearrange the deckchairs while pilots remain on full steam ahead | CAPA - Centre for Aviation (http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/air-france-klm-attempting-to-rearrange-the-deckchairs-while-pilots-remain-on-full-steam-ahead-311392)

[Zapper27]

Hi all,

Besides all previous posts, how do you like working at the Munich base!? How are the chances to get part time?
Still an interesting option I think, possibly a good work life balance!?