Tiger 737s

[wheels_down]

Any word on Tiger 737s?

From what I got YFC,E,F.

[Goat Whisperer]

Those are domestic aircraft. YI... are all international config.

[cabin40]

VHVUB is currently in Townsville? could this aircraft one of the first to get painted. Was an ex pac-blue aircraft so could still be internationally configured. Just my thoughts

[boocs]

Any word of Tiger's fleet change from all Airbus to all B737??

b.

[BPA]

VUB has just rolled out of the TL paintshop in full Tigerair colours. It's due to ferry to ML shortly.

[porch monkey]

VUB huh? well, the boys will love that. Especially after having the YI's to take to Bali. Sparing no expense........;)

[BPA]

Photos here (TL and ML).

Tiger B738s - Page 2 - Sydney Airport Message Board (http://yssyforum.net/board/showthread.php?t=10776&page=2)

[PoppaJo]

Saw this on another forum. Full credit to the said photographer.

http://s9.postimg.org/dh59dsqxb/image.jpg

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

ANYTHING to help their on-time performance!!!:cool:

[morno]

Tiger's OTP for last FY was comparable to Jetstar and the cancellation rate was much lower.

This calendar year most months Tiger is doing better than Jetstar.

Big improvement from times gone by.

morno

[Ken Borough]

Big improvement from times gone by

Judging by media reports and comments elsewhere, they couldn't have gotten any worse: the only way was up.

[morno]

No doubt.

But in all honesty, yes Tiger is well known for having terrible on time performance in the past, but that is the past. There's been a lot of changes there and it's a much different airline from what it was.

With lower cancellation rates and at most times better OTP than Jetstar (if you consider the network size and fleet size of both, it's certainly no easy task keeping those figures where they are for Tiger), maybe it's time to give it a rest?

Anyway, what does a 737 painted in Tiger colours have to do with improving their OTP anyway?

morno

[No Idea Either]

Because that 737, along with another 2 or 3 I believe, are owned and operated by Virgin. Crewed by VAA pilots and Tiger CC. It will be used exclusively on the Bali runs to compete against 787 and A330's. Good luck with that.

[Goat Whisperer]

I would like to know what that TT 737 will do in the 3 months before TT Bali ops commence. And what the 3 aircraft will do in the 50% of the time they are not needed on the TT DPS ops. Will they fly Tigerair Domestic flights? And how would Tigerair pilots respond to that?

[Wunwing]

For many years Air Pacific leased a QF B747 200 and even a QF B747 100 in FJ colours. QF crew often flew it on QF runs and FJ often borrowed a QF one in QF colours. Initially AIPA and AIFEA objected but in the end everyone benefited.

That's commercial reality and if the Tiger crews have a problem with that then they aren't very realistic.

Wunwing

[porch monkey]

Probly just as important GW, how would you feel about flying it on Tiger domestic services?

[TBM-Legend]

When did QF operate these??

QF B747 100

[planeloader]

QF never operated 747-100,s

[Cloud Cutter]

Probably meaning the SP?

[Goat Whisperer]

To be honest, Porch Monkey, I don't see how it will work without VAI flying at least MEL-ADL vv on behalf of Tigerair. VAI crews certainly wouldn't be 'undercutting' TT crews in this regard.

I would like to hear the unions' position on this, and if Tigerair pilots want to add their 2c I'm all ears.

[Cool banana]

QF never operated 747-100,s

Then Try VH-EEI [http://www.aussieairliners.org/b-747/vh-eei/vheei.html[/URL]

[planeloader]

But never operated in QF colours

[Ken Borough]

For many years Air Pacific leased a QF B747 200 and even a QF B747 100 in FJ colours. QF crew often flew it on QF runs.......

And when the Rainbow Warrior aka The Flying Fruit Tingle operated a Qantas service to Tokyo, did the manure hit the fan? If the expression can be excused, the Japanese went ballistic. The carry-on was quite extraordinary, especially as we see Japanese aircraft in all the 'Mickey-Mouse' liveries imaginable.

Back to the thread.....:ok:

[The Green Goblin]

QF operated an air pacific 747-100 in air pacific colours on the PER- DPS run around '88/89/90.

VH-EEI

http://www.airliners.net/photo/0508933/M/

[Going Boeing]

QF never operated 747-100,s

Apologies for the thread drift but QF leased an old B747-100 for a couple of years circa 1987/88 (rego VH-EEI).

[planeloader]

QF did wet lease a 747-100 from Tower Air in the mid to late 80,s

[underfire]

CASA aircraft registry (https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-page/data-files)...sort by regopname

Tiger
XUH AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
XUG AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
VNR AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
VNQ AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
VNK AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
VNO AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
VNG AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
VNH AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
VNC AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
VND AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
VNF AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
VNB AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
VNJ AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232
VNP AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A320-232

[Wunwing]

Thanks GG.
That is exactly my point about Tiger and the B737.The experience of the QF crews at the time of the FJ contract was that despite our objections, the end result worked well for everyone.

Just to clarify the B747 100 issue. The story that I heard from very senior people was that VH-EEI which was a B747 100, was up for lease and Ansett wanted it for their 1st o'seas aircraft. QF got in first and then looked for something to do with it and decided to lease it to FJ to replace a 747 200.
I flew an early trip on it ex SYD and when it got back to SYD FJ wouldn't take it as it had so many problems. It then flew in FJ colours for a period on QF services while FJ took back (I think) EBG.

For a while there were 2 B747s in FJ colours ,but FJ only operated one at a time. At that stage when an aircraft was on an FJ flight, the crew were all FJ except the Qantas FE.FJ also operated B747 200s in QF colours. We insisted on a sticker over the boarding doors saying that the aircraft was operated by FJ.
QF crews operated the FJ coloured aircraft on their services with an all QF crew.

Ultimately QF got VH- EEI into great shape and Virgin Atlantic ended up with it and kept it for quite a while.

The moral of this story? With a bit of an open mind, a bit of a more strategic view and a bit of good award/contract writing, pilots can normally make a situation like the current Tiger B737 work better than a no change situation.

Wunwing

[TBM-Legend]

QF did wet lease a 747-100 from Tower Air in the mid to late 80,s

But not sub-leased to Air Pacific..

[Wunwing]

In 1988 for the Bi Centennial celebrations, QF wet leased a B747 100 from Tower Air, A B747 (100?) from Aer Lingus and a DC10F from Martinair.
The agreement with the QF pilots was for the flying for the pax aircraft to revert to QF as soon as possible, which it did.However there was no such agreement for the freight and QF crews to this day have never got the lfreight back.

The moral of that story is don't be arrogant about the type of flying that is available and also get your agreements right at the beginning. Its too hard after the event. Tiger crews ,take note.

Wunwing

[Global Aviator]

Preparation for bus driving switches!

[Higs]

Enough about Qantas 747. Start another thread if you want but give it a break on this one will you.......:ugh:

[Wunwing]

Higs

If you are referring to the technical comments on the B747,I agree, it is irrelevant to this thread.

However if you are referring to the Air Pacific B747 operation then it is very relevant. It seems to me that the QF crews then were confronted by a very similar situation to the Tiger damp lease now. How it was resolved is a good example of making this situation work. Even more so if you know that the QF crews were going to loose work and an aircraft on the ex Sydney Fiji route which had been theirs up to that time.

Wunwing