Virgin Atlantic MPL Scheme 2016 [Archive]

Chris the Robot

2nd Nov 2015, 22:11

Both the BA FPP and the Aer Lingus scheme got around 3,500-5,000 applications if I'm not wrong. I would imagine that this programme receives a similar number.

Out of those, one does have to ask how many actually stand a genuine chance? How many can demonstrate a real commitment to aviation? How many can demonstrate a reasonable understanding of the role and the industry?

I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few who made it to the BA and Aer Lingus assessments also get through to the first round here, unless Virgin are looking for something totally different.

If you want to find out the calibre of your real competition, sign into LinkedIn and search "BA FPP". One thing I did notice was that the UAS seems to feature a lot with the successful BA folks, may or may not be the same here.

JBNL

2nd Nov 2015, 22:55

"I was at the CTC open day and spoke to one of the Virgin Atlantic captains, he said that last year they received around 8,000 applications. Now this year they're expecting (hoping for) over 9,500... I wonder what the probability is for the 12 places..."

That would surely suggest they're planning on offering to guarantee loans again.

EZY_FR

2nd Nov 2015, 23:19

CTC said 8000 applied last year, but they "only" received 5000 completed applications. Those FPP numbers are interesting, I'm sure I heard 3000 or so applied for it this year? FTE told me during my visit to Jerez that 4500 applied to Aer Lingus. I hope you're right Chris! ;)

All the airlines will look for similar traits in their pilots, but obviously each company will place more of an emphasis on specific traits than others.

SunsetSheepLandings

3rd Nov 2015, 14:03

What makes people stand out? Ie. What's so special about the 12 or 18 that make it?

wonder88

3rd Nov 2015, 17:27

Chris the Robot

3rd Nov 2015, 18:11

Does anyone know how much weight is given to experience to ATC/CCF and UAS experience in cadet programmes as a whole? When I was at a school that had CCF I was explicitly barred from joining by my parents who basically said "we can only afford the fees for one year, which means you're there to get good grades, not have fun". I did get good grades but university never really appealed to me, so I didn't do UAS.

I do have a reasonable amount of flying experience, 95% of which I've paid for out of my own pocket.

I do wonder if someone could get, say, gliding diamond badges and still slip in regardless of maximum hours because they don't have power flying experience.

Regarding SunsetSheepLandings' question:
I should add that from what I have seen the vast majority who get into any cadet scheme have some flying experience. Many hold degrees though this isn't essential (I met a guy who got on the BA FPP aged 23 without a degree).

Basically most seem to be fairly well-rounded with plenty of experience in the real-world and good academic results. I think degrees may become less important over time due to the £9k fees but that is only an opinion.

ManUtd1999

3rd Nov 2015, 18:35

Does anyone know how much weight is given to experience to ATC/CCF and UAS experience in cadet programmes as a whole?

There's plenty of people who get into BA FPP et al. without having done UAS. It certainly helps but if it was a requirement the airlines would say so. I guess the main benefit would be proving your motivation and giving you examples for the "HR" type questions. Gliding/PPL will certainly suffice for the motivation aspect and any work/life experience can be just as good when it comes to giving skill examples.

In general, I'd say don't waste too much time looking for a "golden bullet" with these schemes. Degrees/PPL/Cadets/loads of work experience are all nice to have but plenty of people get in whilst "missing" one or two of them. If you're well-rounded enough and can prove you've got the aptitude/motivation/experience in other ways then there isn't a problem.

Just my two-cents worth anyway :ok:

SunsetSheepLandings

3rd Nov 2015, 21:23

I met one the VA cadets on a visit to CTC earlier this year. He had been prepping for years and this programme was perfect for him. He was a lovely guy A levels, university, well travelled, work experience and he did some volunteering. About as much as I can tell you without giving you an unfair advantage what ever that means

Thanks wonder88 - not sure how you do the quote thing..I'm new!

That sounds insane, prepping for years!!?? How old was he? Don't think that would be an unfair advantage as each person has a different story to tell. Each of those 12 will be different. But thanks anyway :) Are you applying? I can't decide yet. Seems daunting with being 1 out of 8000!

juniour jetset

4th Nov 2015, 08:02

prepping for years is probably not the deciding factor here - more he had the correct profile and aptitude for both the company and for the training organisation

prepping is of course essential, but it doesn't have to be a drawn out affair

juniour jetset

4th Nov 2015, 08:04

on another note, is there any information out there on the age range for the final 12 that were selected last year?

HEJT2015

4th Nov 2015, 11:54

Yeah the age range was from 22 - 32, with a 19 year old reaching the final stage.

juniour jetset

4th Nov 2015, 12:30

HEJET2015 - I don't understand?? I was after the age range for the final 12 that are getting trained up to be A330 pilots at Virgin

do you mean that the 12 selected are aged 22 -32

but there was a 19 year old in the 48 that went to the final stage at The Base?

Petford25

4th Nov 2015, 14:11

Hey gang,

Having a dig around the internet but haven't found the answer as of yet..

What is the likelihood of securing a loan to help pay for the course cost should my application be successful? Of the 18 cadets, would it be available to everyone or just a small handful?

Many thanks and best of luck to all applying! :)

ASRman

4th Nov 2015, 14:13

Thanks MattC123 - Fortunately they got back to me and said no problem I can go back to my online application to fill in the questions then mail them once it is complete.

That was a close call - with what, 8000 odd applicants and only 12 places, missing out on completing such a vital aspect of the application would mean my chances would have quickly dropped to zero percent :eek:

On a side note - how much aviation experience are they really looking for? Clearly, everyone needs to demonstrate a great deal of enthusiasm and flair for aviation in general, but would lack of real flying experience be detrimental to my application chances? I say this because my career so far has consisted of studying law at university, in fact I am currently training at a law firm which has precisely nothing to do with flying what so ever :{

juniour jetset

4th Nov 2015, 16:19

ASRman ... this chap should inspire you https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/tom-hodge/11/36/850

he flew me recently and I was impressed with his PA skills - he got us from A to B sans problem too!

Chris the Robot

4th Nov 2015, 18:19

FYI the link below details a bit more about the programme, including some of the career backgrounds of those who made it in.

Virgin Atlantic announces its 2016 Future Flyers Programme - Pilot Career News (http://www.pilotcareernews.com/virgin-atlantic-announces-its-2016-future-flyers-programme/)

HEJT2015

4th Nov 2015, 18:45

Junior jetset - that's exactly right.

wonder88

4th Nov 2015, 20:50

Closing date is at the top of the CTC VA programme page just under (FUTURE FLYERS PROGRAMME) "The CTC WINGS MPL in partnership with Virgin Atlantic Future Flyers Programme will be open for applications until 1300hrs GMT on Friday 13th November 2015"

Sunsetsheep I'm in two minds as well the odds are ridiculous, and by "he prepped for years" I meant he probably had applied for other programmes over the years and finally aced it. I doubt he could see into the future lol.

juniour jetset

5th Nov 2015, 07:27

you gotta be in it to win it!

I tried last year and got to Dibden, and learnt alot about the whole experience and feel I would have an even better shot this year (although my age could be an issue??) Passed all of Dibden except the interview and feel I was only off on a couple of aspects.

But I won't be applying - sadly this opportunity has come a little too late in life for me as I will be 40 in a couple of months and I have a two year old boy which I don't want to grow up with his dad missing half of the time for the formative years. His mummy is already long-haul cabin crew, so can't do this to him any more.

If only this programme had started in 2004 and not 2014. Timing is everything in life. But nonetheless I commend Virgin/CTC on this great programme and career route.

Good luck to all involved - probably the best 0-RHS aviation opportunity out there!

(I'll take comfort in that at least the flight sims on the new 50 inch 4k monitors are pretty slick - so can live the synthetic dream at home - plus my son can be in the cockpit at the same time!)

juniour jetset

5th Nov 2015, 07:36

forgot to say, despite having to pay 250GBP for the day at Dibden - it was by far the best interview experience/assessment day I have had in my almost 2.5 decades of working life.

Don't be scared of having to shell out - in the grand scheme of things it's not much money and totally worth it to see how you act in the various tasks and under pressure. You will learn a lot about yourself which is worth the cost, effort and travel.

SunsetSheepLandings

5th Nov 2015, 09:28

wonder88: what's your background? age? If its got aviation experience and your relatively young, then there's no harm in giving it a go. you won't know unless you try. :)

I don't have much aviation experience so...

juniour jetset: loving the positive attitude :) that's really encouraging to say, as the tests seem daunting :)

funkyt111

5th Nov 2015, 15:52

I just thought I'd add my two cents.

I read a lot of people calculating the odds of being selected for these cadet programmes. My advice is this. Ignore the odds. They are not a true reflection of the chances of being selected.

I applied to BA three times, Virgin once and Aer Lingus once and I managed to make through to the final stage in each of theses processes. Now, I'm either incredibly lucky or there's something I and the other final applicants are doing that the majority aren't.

My advice is this.

1) Don't rush your application. Use up every single minute available of the application window to put together a strong professional application. There's no bonus points for getting your application in first! Once completed, have at least two people proof your application on your behalf. I cannot explain how important all of this is. Your initial application carries a lot of weight.

2) Prepare. There's no such thing as too much preparation. Learn about the company, their culture and their values. Learn about the flight school, their location, course structure etc. Practice some aptitude tests if you can and make sure your mental arithmetic is on point. There are lots of sources of information on the internet but I would start by browsing pprune. Also, practice competency based interview questions over and over and over again. Prepare some examples from your personal life where you have demonstrated skills such as teamwork, leadership, problem solving, customer service etc. Without this, you will not get past the CTC selection phase.

3) Make sure you fully understand the role of a pilot in full. It's important to know what qualities contribute towards being good airline pilot. There is so much more to being a great pilot than aptitude, especially with a heavily customer focused airline like Virgin Atlantic.

I hope this helps.

Best of luck folks. Break a leg. :ok:

juniour jetset

5th Nov 2015, 19:00

Cheers sunsetsheeplandings - yep although it will be the thing I never did, I'm still positive about aviation and life. At least I still get the cheap fares and the business upgrades from Mrs JJ!

Well done funkyt111 on getting so close on several occasions - where do you think you are coming up short at the final hurdle? agree with you on all your points - lots of quality prep beforehand

and for those soon to walk the line... just be yourself, but the best version of yourself - don't focus on the result - don't be desperate for it going your way- focus on the process with a humble air of confidence.

funkyt111

5th Nov 2015, 20:12

@junior jetset,

I was coming short at the final hurdle to a slight lack of prep on my part and also not 100% fully understanding the role. Once I understood this, it was much easier to tailor my approach to what they were looking for and tell them what they wanted to hear. It's all about demonstrating the qualities of a future captain.

juniour jetset

5th Nov 2015, 21:46

funkyt111 - sounds like you are really honing in on what they really want and you learn a bit more at every go

you applying for this year's Virgin MPL? and whay about the easyjet MPL?

wonder88

5th Nov 2015, 23:05

Hi SunsetSheep I'm 27 and coming from a maintenance/engineering background. I may still apply, I'm going to do all my research as advised and put all my effort into my application. If I like the finished product then I'll press send and cross my fingers.

EZY_FR

5th Nov 2015, 23:26

funkyt111 - sounds like you are really honing in on what they really want and you learn a bit more at every go

you applying for this year's Virgin MPL? and whay about the easyjet MPL?
Doesn't need to since he deservedly earned a place on the BA FPP :).
I can back up what he's saying. At my Aer lingus interview, I felt it was harder to really demonstrate the competencies because I didn't fully understand the role. Now that I'm aware that's one of my shortfalls, I'm spending a lot of time thinking about the role and what I can do to demonstrate the key competencies for the BA FPP. If you can do that here with Virgin, then candidates have a great chance of getting in.

Cessnaflyer87

6th Nov 2015, 08:54

Hi Guys,

Just checked with CTC and they confirm this is not financially sponsored scheme (as in they do not help guarantee the loan) but you will have the loan repaid back to you once qualified.

ManUtd1999

6th Nov 2015, 17:05

Just checked with CTC and they confirm this is not financially sponsored scheme (as in they do not help guarantee the loan) but you will have the loan repaid back to you once qualified.e

Very very disappointing if true. Guaranteeing loans is the only way (bar sponsoring the lot ofc :)) of making these schemes open to everyone. The model used by EZY MPL, CTC Wings etc and now apparently Virgin limits entry to those with the means to fund 100,000. Aviation remains an overwhelmingly middle/upper class profession and the tide shows no sign of changing.....

Chris the Robot

6th Nov 2015, 19:13

I spoke to CTC earlier in the week and they were not sure then, all should hopefully be revealed tomorrow.

Regarding the class thing, I knew one chap who was privately educated from nursery up to 18. His parents point-blank refused to put their house on the line and rightly so, he ended up trying the modular route I think. So, even out of those that could afford it, how many parents would take the risk?

The weird thing in my book is that this setup would not save an airline a lot of money if they are paying the training costs back anyway, so you would think they'd rather take the absolute best as opposed to the best out of a limited few.

Code93

6th Nov 2015, 20:21

juniour jetset

6th Nov 2015, 20:26

Code93

That seems a fairly pessimistic stance!

Most captains and established FO's will also have a mortgage hanging over them, so will also be a slave to the loan department - no real difference is there?

Plus, many of the more grey haired ones often have divorced wife and kids - CSA payments on the balance sheet

Flybrain

9th Nov 2015, 08:14

Hi
I can't seem to find it but last year somebody broke down how much it would roughly cost if you were accepted on the course. Does anybody remember this?

MattC123

9th Nov 2015, 12:03

Code93,

As an applicant for this years Virgin MPL scheme, it's saddening to hear that you got that impression from the Virgin FO.

Do you think that this was a chance encounter and therefore not representative of company wide views?

JBNL

9th Nov 2015, 17:39

wonder88

9th Nov 2015, 19:03

Any further news on the guarantee of loans?

There was no mention of a loans guarantee during the Virgin Atlantic presentation at the Pilot Careers Live event EZY_FR may have have asked the question directly.

ManUtd1999

9th Nov 2015, 19:30

As wonder88 says, no mention of it in the presentation (or finance at all for that matter :rolleyes:). On the CTC stand answers seemed to be different depending who you spoke to! CTC reps said it was unlikely but that they "might" help if you were successful and couldn't raise the funds. The cadets were more positive and suggested that guarantees were an option.

If anyone else got any more concrete information it would be good to know. Y

JBNL

9th Nov 2015, 20:02

They haven't communicated particularly well regarding this issue. Its a time consuming and expensive application process to go through on the presumption that they 'might' help. Hopefully we can find a concrete answer before the weekend! :ugh:

h1ghfly3r

9th Nov 2015, 20:29

Having the candidates with a loan hanging over them is a form of control. It produces a compliant, submissive employe who will keep their head down and tow the company line.

They are compromised professionals, and not people to admire or aspire to be.

Chatting to a Virgin FO up north the other week it doesn't sound like these cadets will be welcomed into the flight deck as peers.

Code93 -
I find this a somewhat strange point of view - you come across as rather bitter and regardless of the way one becomes a pilot these days, everyone has the same (or similar) fees to pay. Whether or not this comes from a loan or personal funds makes little to no difference, especially at a company like Virgin where it really is a career for life. The purpose of this forum is to post constructive advice for individuals wanting to start their career in the industry, not for needless negativity. Having spoke to a range of Virgin employees at the flyer exhibition this weekend, all of them seemed incredibly keen to welcome all of the current cadets, as well as any future cadets, to the flight deck.

Best of luck to anyone applying to the scheme this year.

Chris the Robot

9th Nov 2015, 20:43

I can confirm what ManUtd1999 has said about the cadets stating that guarantees were an option. The cadet I spoke to seemed to think that the guarantees would be available this year. Last year it was possible to borrow up to £119k (the £109k course cost plus living expenses). I do think Virgin et al look at the individual's situation closely though.

In answer to Flybrain's question, one of the contributors to last year's Virgin Atlantic thread calculated that if interest rates remained the same, the total cost of finance would be approximately £26k. So the programme basically costs about £150k including living expenses, assuming interest rates don't rise. You get £109k of that back through the bond repayments on top of the circa. £27k salary.

juniour jetset

10th Nov 2015, 12:19

h1ghfly3r I second what you say - well done!

All of the Virgin FOs I met at Dibden were very positive and welcoming - not a hint of animosity

Admittedly, it was there job to be liaison people between Virgin and potential cadets - but I just don't buy what Code93 says that it is widespread across the Virgin culture/flight deck and if it is Richard won't be impressed by those attitudes - period!

PolarOps

11th Nov 2015, 10:22

Hello chaps,

This course looks like a great oppurtunity for the time being, likewhise said before . I'm considering filling an application. I just need to sort out something for my peaco of mind, can we assume that Virgn officials tend to give a preference to UK-nationals ? Or is this totally irrevelant ? What about previous courses ? Have we any statistics available ?

Code93

11th Nov 2015, 11:46

I would say it is a widespread view.

Just try and find the thread where it was first announced last year, lots of people were disgusted before it even materialized it was a paid for course!

I'm not sure what kind of image you are imagining life on the line will be like for the cadets but everyone from captains, cabin crew, TCO's, loaders etc that I have talked too werent too impressed that people can effectively buy their way up the career ladder.
The guys working at the exhibition were acting the way they were for their own career prospects and couldn't care less about the cadets.

As for saying the successful ones were fantastic for beating off 1000's of other applicants, do you really think all the other applicants had £119000 or a credit rating to get it? Obviously not, you are realistically talking 100ish people who can buy their way in.

But of course you can choose to live in blissful indebted ignorance and take loads of selfies in your uniform for your FB friends who will have assumed no money was exchanged during your hiring process and you earned the job on merit!:ok:

Taz397

11th Nov 2015, 16:06

Code93 - It is clear that your opinion of the Virgin Atlantic MPL is a negative one, a view which some may or may not agree with. Regardless of whether or not you support the scheme, let's not forget that this particular thread is intended to assist those who are considering applying for the scheme and a place to bring together information that will benefit them. Whilst one message stating objective reasons for disagreeing with the scheme may be appropriate, a second message denouncing the achievements of the first twelve to be selected and making references to people taking selfies in uniform serves only to highlight your own levels of immaturity and jealousy.

I too have spoken to many Virgin pilots, the majority of whom are not linked to the cadet scheme in any way. Whilst some are apprehensive of the scheme (I certainly didn't encounter a single one that was 'disgusted' by the scheme), the vast majority were keen to assist their soon-to-be colleagues once they reach the flight deck. As for the notion of 'buying' into the company, although starting on a reduced pay scale, the bond is paid back in full to cadets upon completion of training over a 7 year period. As such, this has the potential to rival the best cadet schemes currently available. In addition, current VAA staff can apply for the scheme (some of whom were successful in securing a place on the Virgin MPL) so in no way are current staff disadvantaged by the scheme.

Best of luck to those that apply, and hopefully we can now move away from this negativity and back to what the thread is intended for.

Stratopause

11th Nov 2015, 16:19

@PolarOps. The only demographic I have seen regarding the successful candidates last year was an age range of 22-32 (and that was somewhere on this forum so can't 100% verify). Obviously the official criteria merely says you need a right to live and work in the UK, given the relevant EU free labour market laws. What do you stand to lose if you go ahead and apply? Some time certainly, plus maybe a trip to the UK and the circa 300 Euros they charge you for the assessment. On the other hand, you get some practice with applications, and maybe assessment and interview experience.....ça dépend de toi

SunsetSheepLandings

11th Nov 2015, 16:39

PolarOps

Regarde dans tes messages privés. Je t'ai envoyer quelques infos untiles :)

Stratopause

11th Nov 2015, 17:08

..has anybody actually heard anything back yet? At this same point last year (i.e. 10+ days since opening) there were already plenty of reported rejections as well as people reporting scheduled assessment days. I'm curious about the complete radio silence on that so far this year. Has anybody heard anything back?

EZY_FR

11th Nov 2015, 20:42

CTC did make it clear that nobody would find out the outcome of their applications until Dec 7th at the earliest.

Stratopause

11th Nov 2015, 20:54

OK, that explains it, thanks!

Code93

11th Nov 2015, 21:04

Are any of you applicant's going to ask for an itemized cost breakdown of where your money will be going? Don't you have any questions as to why this scheme seems to be incredibly more expensive than other similar schemes(of which they them selves are considerably more expensive than cost price of training received

Corruption indicators | Bribery & Corruption | SFO - Serious Fraud Office (http://www.sfo.gov.uk/bribery--corruption/corruption-indicators.aspx)

the unusually smooth process of cases where an individual does not have the expected level of knowledge or expertise

abnormal cash payments

an abnormally high commission percentage being paid to a particular agency.

invoices being agreed in excess of the contract without reasonable cause

juniour jetset

11th Nov 2015, 21:23

Code93 it's because the base training touch and go's are much more expensive in an A330 than those smaller jets!

But, seriously Code93 take you pessimism and shove off!

Stratopause

11th Nov 2015, 23:17

Code93 that’s ‘virgin’ on the ridiculous. (Sorry, couldn’t resist)

FlyVeryHigh-

12th Nov 2015, 09:19

Deadline extended to 20th November.

SunsetSheepLandings

12th Nov 2015, 09:36

Stratopause Lol! Loving the sense of humour there, so cheesy, but love it :P

FlyVeryHigh- Yeah I saw that too this morning. Wonder why? Give people more time?

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Good luck to all for when you do hear in a couple of weeks :)

GeorgEGNT

12th Nov 2015, 11:19

Stratopause

12th Nov 2015, 13:53

They want to make sure they have more applicants than the NASA astronaut selection programme opening up next month:

"Between 4,000 and 8,000 people apply during each round of NASA applications, but only eight to 35 are selected. And the next round is opening soon.". Significantly better odds actually!

I can't wait for Virgin Galactic's MPL programme:)

FlyVeryHigh-

12th Nov 2015, 15:41

If it's to do with application numbers, I wouldn't be surprised, maybe the money is running out? 109k's can't keep changing hands forever, or can they?

Maybe it's a mix between that, and the fact that they were closing the deadline a good while before responses were due out to people, and they've realised they've probably got nothing to lose in keeping the application window open a little longer.

Stratopause

12th Nov 2015, 16:00

It's hard to imagine this being done for any reason other than disappointment with the number of applications, isn't it?

I recall that last year they received more than 7,000 and had made statements about hoping for 9,000 this year? Doesn't the BA FPP average more like 4-5,000? Last year Virgin got a lot of publicity via TV and national newspapers which probably caused a spike. It's hard to do that a second time around because news outlets are interested in, well, news.

By their own admission, a good portion of the applications last year were incomplete. The fact of the matter is that for a programme like this you are probably going to get about 4,000 serious applicants. I would also venture to say that any serious applicants who are going to successfully prove an established interest and commitment to aviation (i.e. pass the selection) will have already applied.

Perhaps they have set themselves an unreasonable goal and are now fixated on achieving it, even though the benefit of all those additional applications is arguably marginal.

tfin25

12th Nov 2015, 16:40

Saying those who are serious applicants would have already applied is a bit silly.

There's no prize for the person who sent their application im first, so why not take your time to construct a professional and polished application.

This is just an extra week to proof read and edit my application. Which is fine by me!

juniour jetset

12th Nov 2015, 21:06

last year, I did the written questions part of my application in about 45mins

one online spell check, clicked send

didn't try and use loads of buzz words, was totally frank and to the point and only probably used 60-70% of word allowance

too much waffle and you will lose the reader at the first major question

be articulate, be smart and be efficient with what you write!

BaronVonBarnstormer

12th Nov 2015, 21:23

Any point in applying for this at 41?

You miss every opportunity you don't take.

Stratopause

12th Nov 2015, 22:51

@tfn25: Fair comment, I take that part back. I do think they must be disappointed with the numbers though.

@volunteerpilot: somewhere buried in last year's thread there was a report of an age range of 17-43 at one of the assessment days, if that helps. You even have another week to do the application!

juniour jetset

13th Nov 2015, 09:28

volunteerpilot You goatta be in it to win it?

Applying doesn't cost anything other than time

Dibden visit is a couple of hundred - but a great day, a challenge and you will learn about yourself under pressure

If you go further, almost certainly another great experience and then if you reach the final 12 - the holy grail:O

The older candidates will bring a different profile to the mix and more life experience - but probably harder to convince them that you REALLY want it and that you are super motivated to go through all the training and then live a flight deck life - if you tick all these boxes apply - otherwise probably give it a miss.

The final 12 last year ages 22-32 - how much can we read into this?? not sure, small sample and maybe in fact they were just the best candidates and age wasn't an issue.

Chris the Robot

15th Nov 2015, 17:47

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that when you enter education in chronological order the oldest appears at the top and when you enter previous employment in chronological order the most recent appears at the top. I know they want it in "chronological order" but I always though this would be oldest at the top.

Also, from what I can see there is no option to select most recent employment as "current", therefore I've had to enter an end date in the future with a note that it is the earliest date I could start elsewhere.

I don't want to appear pedantic but I reckon that with a programme as competitive as this, getting the above as CTC/Virgin want it would be a good start :ok:

EDI_75

15th Nov 2015, 20:12

I've just left the end date empty for my current job. It seems to let you do that.

TwoZeroNiner

16th Nov 2015, 05:37

Is there any chance to get funding from Virgin for this program?

tfin25

16th Nov 2015, 10:30

Is there any chance to get funding from Virgin for this program?

They've said that the options for funding will be discussed at the interview stage.

SunsetSheepLandings

16th Nov 2015, 12:10

Chris the Robot - I left it blank too as I haven't finished and I have 2 jobs anyway at the moment

MattC123

16th Nov 2015, 16:58

FlyVeryHigh-

16th Nov 2015, 18:45

Any guesses from people that have been through similar processes as to when the stage at Dibden Manor will be?

If we find out whether we have progressed in the week commencing 7th December then mid-January perhaps?

Last year the assessment centres were done before Christmas and there's not always a lot of time between the time you find out you've been successful at application stage until assent stage.

*There were also some run in early Jan too! The Virgin assessment day (the one at Virgin HQ was around the 20 somethingth of Jan)

Chris the Robot

16th Nov 2015, 21:48

Thanks for the advice folks, my earlier query has now been resolved :ok:

TwoZeroNiner

17th Nov 2015, 09:22

Thanks tfin25. Though, that's a pity in my opinion, how can you judge whether this program is an option without knowing anything about the conditions?

Are there also chances for non-uk-nationals? Any experience on that?

Antares_FR

17th Nov 2015, 11:38

As I'm french I asked myself the same question and called CTC. The answer is that there is no quota regarding the applicant's nationality.

VChap

18th Nov 2015, 14:44

I found that last year, the initial online application was probably the most competitive stage. Everybody I know who passed this initial application spent significant time on their application questions and a spent lot of time thinking about the best way to use their word count, and to stand out against the huge number of applicants.

Bearing in mind that the CTC staff have many hundreds of applications to read, and there was no prize for being the first application submitted, I'd take as much time as you need until you're happy with your answers!

4800 applications were actually submitted, (source: CTC assessment day), and a few hundred were invited to the assessments at Dibden, which ran from the end of November through into the beginning of December.

Successful applicants received emails inviting them to book an assessment day at The Base (Virgin's HQ, Crawley) from mid-late December all the way until the beginning of January. This meant, I believe, that some people had two or three weeks to prepare for the Virgin assessment, while others may have only had a week or so.

The Virgin assessments ran from the 13th-16th of January, if memory serves correctly. And yeah, the age range of successful applicants was (at the time) 20-30.

It seems however like the assessments might all take place slightly later this year, as people aren't hearing back from CTC until the 7/12/15?

Stratopause

20th Nov 2015, 17:24

It appears that applications are now closed so best of luck to all who have applied!

:D

Stratopause

20th Nov 2015, 17:30

...and may the best candidates win regardless of age, gender, ethnicity or pays d'origine.

J.charles

20th Nov 2015, 17:42

I know someone mentioned this briefly in a previous comment on the thread but Ill ask it just to clarify.

Is it a reduced salary for cadets who make it compared with the say a first officer who funded their own training and employed with virgin? just curious. Also any guesses for how long the reduced salary would last for? the seven year repayment period?

wonder88

20th Nov 2015, 19:23

J.Charles I'm not sure how long you would be on the reduced salary for but VA don't hire cadets outside of this scheme so no problem there. However successful candidates will be earning less than half of the first officers salary.:}

gbotley

20th Nov 2015, 23:22

This thread certainly seems a little quieter than last year... having only just read it today.

But Good to luck to one and all!

@J Charles, when I spoke with Virgin and the Pilot Careers Live they said, with a slight hesitancy (baring in mind the current cadets aren't on the flight deck yet) that the salary will adjust over time but is initially lower to repay your bond. As they understood it however, you would receive the same renumeration package as a regular FO/Captain.

I think only the contract will spell the final details so who knows.

VChap

21st Nov 2015, 11:21

Is it a reduced salary for cadets who make it compared with the say a first officer who funded their own training and employed with virgin? just curious. Also any guesses for how long the reduced salary would last for? the seven year repayment period?

J.charles, in a similar fashion to the British Airways FPP cadets, the Virgin MPL cadets will be on a reduced (but still not bad!) salary to begin with. As we can understand, Virgin are funding the entire £109,000 for the course, and so they will try and make this sum back during the first seven years of employment by paying cadets £20K (ish) a year LESS than standard DE salaries. Having seen previous BA FPP pay scales, which I assume are similar to the Virgin FFP, you'd start on a basic salary or around £26,000, and that will increase year on year. Im not sure, however, as to the point at which you'd jump on to the regular Virgin pay scales.

I don't think money is the big deal though! They'll reward you well, I'm sure you won't be pushed for cash, and you've got a guaranteed job for 7 years.

If you want to wet your appetites for the future though, check out the Virgin Atlantic pay scales on PilotJobsNetwork! Not bad...

SunsetSheepLandings

21st Nov 2015, 13:20

Stratopause and can I add the cheesy line from the Hunger Games of "and may the odds be ever in your favour" ta daaa

Stratopause

21st Nov 2015, 13:35

LOL. How about: "Survivors Ready!"
Then look out for an email from CTC, "The tribe has spoken..."

gbotley

21st Nov 2015, 15:15

What's that, some needed humour on PPRuNe? :D

The tribe has spoken.. - brilliant :-)

SunsetSheepLandings

21st Nov 2015, 16:53

Yeah, love having a good laugh :)
Stratopause...awkward moment when you don't know the movie or tv show that is being referenced... :P (my movie general knowledge is not the best in the world)

Stratopause

21st Nov 2015, 17:43

You should watch the entire Survivor series. That's what this year's group exercise will be based on :)

Stratopause

22nd Nov 2015, 04:56

Is it a reduced salary for cadets who make it compared with say a first officer who funded their own training and employed with Virgin? just curious.

@j.charles: The answer is that, yes, it is a significantly reduced salary compared to a direct entry first officer, less than half as has already been stated. However, the latter requires 3,000 hrs total time, a Boeing or Airbus type rating and 1,000 hrs on type. You could fund your own training, including potentially the type rating, get those hours at a short haul carrier, then apply for direct entry. Depending on how long it takes you to (a) get the fATPL, MCC/JOC & TR (b) get that elusive first job, then build those hours, and (c) successfully compete for a DEP job at Virgin, that might reasonably take 5-10 years or more, assuming all those things happen.

Via the MPL route, you are virtually guaranteed a job after just under two years, provided you meet the performance standards etc, and would be at the same point as the DEP 9 years from now. Between now and then you may or may not earn less (depending on where you get those 3,000 hours), but keep in mind that the repayment of the bond is not likely something you'd get via the other route. In other words, you should compare the ~27k salary PLUS the 15.5k annual security bond repayment with the alternatives. (In fact, it's worth a bit more than a 42.5k salary because the bond repayment is tax free for both you and the employer but that's a different discussion).

I'd offer the opinion that this FFP or the BA FPP are actually superb deals for the few who make it through, despite some of the negative comments that have previously been made. There are costs and risks, including those related to rising interest rates, but they also exist with the alternatives. There are other considerations as well, such as the type of flying and the working environment.

Looking at it another way: given all that, if you got through all selection stages and had a VA MPL offer in hand would you really decide to abandon that in favour of the self funded route based on salary considerations? I wouldn't.

J.charles

22nd Nov 2015, 14:19

@stratopause: i couldn't agree with you more. Even if I had the spare 110k and given the offer for the Virgin FPP I'd still take the virgin one. I think most aspiring pilots who are looking at the long haul flying side of piloting would want to work fro an airline such as BA or Virgin and this programme is not only giving you direct entry into extremely prestigious airlines but also from the very start of your career.

I just wondered if anyone knew a bit more about the figures just to compare. i guess theres peaks and troughs to any route you take to the flight deck. Thanks for clarifying it anyway.

Stratopause

22nd Nov 2015, 21:09

I think it could range from 20k to 50k+ depending on the carrier, type, location, duty pay, hours, who funds the TR etc etc (or zero if you can't find a job!). BTW - If my calcs are correct, a gross income of just under 51k would be necessary to match the VAA MPL arrangement, if the self-funded training costs were the same and had to be paid back out of after-tax after-NI income. Surprisingly big number. A win/win for the cadets and VAA, bad news for the Exchequer :ok:

JB007

23rd Nov 2015, 00:17

New cadets should also expect a minimum of 12 months flying on the A320 in the Uk with a certain airline before returning to the A330...

Likewise looking likely my A330 line training will be with VS...!

pilotfromsheff13

23rd Nov 2015, 14:16

Has anybody heard back yet? Or does anybody know when they'll start sending emails to everybody who has applied.

Thanks!

Freeboy

23rd Nov 2015, 17:37

pilotfromsheff13 (http://www.pprune.org/members/421036-pilotfromsheff13) - the CTC website is now saying there won't be any screening results until w/c 14/12.

EDI_75

23rd Nov 2015, 18:31

Seem to remember seeing something about no info before 5th Dec.

pilotfromsheff13

23rd Nov 2015, 23:15

Many thanks Freeboy & EDI_75.

Good luck to everyone applying this year.

PA28R

24th Nov 2015, 09:55

Did Anyone get email from selection team yet ? I got email today saying I have to send photocopy of my transcripts 😬

irishwing

24th Nov 2015, 10:15

Did Anyone get email from selection team yet ? I got email today saying I have to send photocopy of my transcripts 😬

:D:D congras PA28R Now the squeaky bum time starts for the rest of us for me the wait is worse thing I would rather know yes you have a interview or sorry you missed out this time try again next year. So did the email say anything else? It’s strange the way ctc have pushed the date back to the 14th of December as their web site says “Please note: Applicants will not receive a screening result until week commencing 14th December 2015” and now they have started to issue replies
:ugh::ugh::ugh::{:{:{

PA28R

25th Nov 2015, 01:11

no nothing else, except transcripts from school, undergraduate and graduate universities. I can't believe they need transcript from school as well which i graduated 15 years ago which to me is weird when i have completed undergraduate degree and nearly finished with graduate degree but whatever :cool:

Good Luck to everyone :ok:

FlyVeryHigh-

25th Nov 2015, 08:11

This happened me with CTC. They emailed and asked for verification of some exam results (certificates etc) and then they still rejected my application from the off after supplying the info. (This wasn't the Virgin MPL)

PA28R

25th Nov 2015, 23:55

sorry to hear that, hopefully this is not the case with me or anyone else :ooh:

PA28R

25th Nov 2015, 23:58

i am not able to find log in section where i initially signed up and had to put application number and password, is anyone having same problem or is it me lol, can someone be kind enough to copy paste that link for me. Many thanks!!

gbotley

26th Nov 2015, 01:20

@PA28R, It's http://virgin.ctcaviation.com.

Interestingly, my application says on the right handside "Awaiting Selection" for all 4 stages and I received an email confirmation too when I submitted, but on the left handside it says this..

Unfortunately this programme has now closed. Incomplete application cannot be submitted.

Is that the case for anyone else too? -- Bizarre, as it implies i didn't submit it.

Stratopause

26th Nov 2015, 02:59

@gbotley- yes, I just checked and I see the same message. The 'Thank you for your application' email does say 'your application has been received' so hopefully the website message is a red herring.

FlyVeryHigh-

26th Nov 2015, 08:34

PA28R - Saying that though I did make it to Virgin selection last year! So I've no idea how they work it! Best of luck.

Switchingtoguns

26th Nov 2015, 14:28

@gbotley- yes, I just checked and I see the same message. The 'Thank you for your application' email does say 'your application has been received' so hopefully the website message is a red herring.

I submitted mine the night before but I never got a confirmation email, does that mean it didn't go through?

irishwing

26th Nov 2015, 14:38

I submitted mine the night before but I never got a confirmation email, does that mean it didn't go through?

ring to check:ok:

MattC123

27th Nov 2015, 09:51

volunteerpilot, I'm sure none of the applicants are under the illusion that this will be an easy process.

We are all well aware of the highly competitive nature of the scheme but hey, 12 people will be selected at the end, right? Some people (probably following this thread) will be fortunate enough to be chosen! As for the money... there have been hints of an opportunity to get the loan guaranteed by VAA - which is vital for people like me who can under no circumstances find £120k or use an asset as security.

It would be nice to see slightly more optimistic and positive approaches to this fantastic opportunity.

PA28R

27th Nov 2015, 11:52

why so negativity in this thread. I am assuming most trolls are from folks who either were not successful previously or someone who genuinely don't like airline cadets.

WantsToFly

27th Nov 2015, 13:15

why so negativity in this thread. I am assuming most trolls are from folks who either were not successful previously or someone who genuinely don't like airline cadets.

Welcome to PPRuNe :}

gbotley

27th Nov 2015, 14:30

Now now, let's all be friends. High chances, yes. But, many graduate jobs and careers out there have equal chances. Last year the organisation I worked at had ~8,000 applicants for 20 graduate roles. So it's no different.

mabawa

29th Nov 2015, 08:37

Hey,
does anyone have any idea whether this programme is open to Internationals/Non EU members?I'm not sure whether "Unrestricted right to ..." corresponds to "if you can get a study visa/work permit"

wonder88

29th Nov 2015, 11:46

CTC will not help you to get a visa (based on their on-line responses to similar questions) therefore you're not eligible as I'm guessing you would need a sponsor in order to gain a work/study visa. Also the application window for this scheme is now shut until next year.

mabawa

30th Nov 2015, 08:15

@wonder88 thanks for the response.I did send my application in before the window closed ,after searching and not finding direct answers to this,I just went ahead. Could you send me any of those links?
CTC not helping to get a visa ,doesn't mean you can't get one .If they accept internationals for their programmes that aren't airline affiliated,unless the airline restricts this themselves,how would they not help with some like these ?Anyway,I did email asking this,waiting for a response from them.

gbotley

30th Nov 2015, 13:17

@mabawa, I'm not entirely sure on the visa front, but.. the undisputed right to live and work in the UK is most likely related to the conditional offer of employment from Virgin Atlantic as in order for a British company to employ a foreign national they would have to prove that none of the local applicants were suitable.

gbotley

30th Nov 2015, 16:13

@Stratopause.. seems it was a Red Herring.. The message has now been changed. I imagine they must've had a few calls about that.

Stratopause

30th Nov 2015, 19:17

@Stratopause.. seems it was a Red Herring.. The message has now been changed. I imagine they must've had a few calls about that.

Either that or they monitor the font of all useful information...pprune :-)

mabawa

1st Dec 2015, 05:01

thanks @gbotley.That makes sense.

PA28R

2nd Dec 2015, 10:14

got email today :mad:.... didnt make it :ugh:

good luck everyone who applied

gbotley

3rd Dec 2015, 13:30

@PA28R, Sorry to hear about that! I was under the impression we wouldn't hear until w/c 14th December. Certainly got me worrying now :(

All the best everyone.

FlyVeryHigh-

3rd Dec 2015, 14:34

got email today :mad:.... didnt make it :ugh:

good luck everyone who applied

Seems like the same thing happened you as it did to me for a different CTC scheme. Maybe they're just unsure of your exams and therefore assume you don't meet the entry criteria. That's just my experience with it.

pilotfromsheff13

4th Dec 2015, 17:08

@PA28R sorry to hear the bad news. It would be good if everyone else could post on here when they get their replies over the next few weeks. It will be interesting to see how people get on. I'll do so myself.

AnnabelRT1

6th Dec 2015, 12:58

Yes I was under the impression screening results would not be released until w/c Dec 14 but good luck everyone who has applied!!

dpitts91

8th Dec 2015, 12:55

Hi guys,

Does anyone know what the hypothetical time frame is from receiving results, to conducting stage 2. Is it a couple of days, or weeks. Easy MPL was a few days.

regards

Dom

pilotfromsheff13

8th Dec 2015, 22:52

I'm not too sure. I don't think it mentions about this anywhere so maybe give CTC a ring and ask.

PFS15

SunsetSheepLandings

11th Dec 2015, 11:31

Still haven't heard anything...
Anyone else?

321now

11th Dec 2015, 11:53

Awaiting Selection x 4...

Nothing yet.

EZY_FR

13th Dec 2015, 16:21

I understand that there will be a lot of nervous folk waiting to hear back from CTC, so I just wanted to wish you guys all the best!

dieselpilot5

14th Dec 2015, 09:31

Still waiting,

Do You folks know what kind of test and interview we are going to have ?

Kindly

AnnabelRT1

14th Dec 2015, 10:56

Hiya,

Has anyone heard anything yet?

gbotley

14th Dec 2015, 11:43

Thanks EZY_FR,

Anticipation is driving me crazy. CTC have now said results will be issued by the end of December 2015. Whether that means they will start issuing results as of today until then; or not until then; who knows.

AnnabelRT1

14th Dec 2015, 12:02

I've just checked the CTC page too and it has changed to
"Applicants will receive a screening result by the of December 2015"

I have no idea whether they are going to release results from today up until then either!

321now

14th Dec 2015, 12:06

Just to confirm, you've heard this from CTC themselves?

Apitu

14th Dec 2015, 12:25

I think they are still reviewing the applications. Yesterday I was emailed for some details.

gbotley

14th Dec 2015, 12:32

@321now,

Yea, if you check the Virgin MPL pages on CTC you'll see under the selection process it says end of December.

It would appear they're being very thorough.

wrobson25

14th Dec 2015, 12:54

Anyone have any idea as to why CTC have changed the screening date?
Will

Global_Global

14th Dec 2015, 13:06

It would appear they're being very thorough. Or not enough proper candidates? ;)

MattC123

14th Dec 2015, 13:40

It seems that any mention of the "14th" has been removed.

Quote from the Virgin Atlantic course page of the CTC website.

"Please note: Applicants will receive a screening result by the of December 2015"

There is no mention of a date so I guess we just have to wait and see!

Best of luck

wrobson25

14th Dec 2015, 14:30

I have just spoken to someone at CTC and he said everyone will receive a screening result sometime before Christmas

gbotley

14th Dec 2015, 15:19

Well, if they hadn't had candidates I would imagine they would've extended the application window even further. Who knows, we're only speculating here. They might simply mean that all those successful or otherwise will hear by 31st as in they are going to give out results as of today. Either way, good luck to those in the running ;)

pilotfromsheff13

14th Dec 2015, 16:52

Chin up everyone! Not long to wait now

Stratopause

14th Dec 2015, 17:29

Maybe they’ve just decided to push out the selection days until after the New Year because we are now in the week before Christmas, and have used the additional time to complete the screening process.

Either that or Santa asked them to hold off because he wants to personally deliver some good news to the lucky few. In which case, may your stocking be stuffed with Virgin invitations.:O

volunteerpilot

14th Dec 2015, 21:31

Some people onhere mentioned they were already rejected etc. CTC told me that no one will hear before 14th Dec. Usually they will inform the lucky ones first / send invites and then the rest will receive the letter. Patience.

Fastest Flyer

15th Dec 2015, 08:58

Just received an email from CTC confirming that they aim to have a decision by the end of December 2015. Will make a hell of a Christmas present to get a place :)

Stratopause

15th Dec 2015, 13:35

"Thank you for your interest....." "Once again, we received an incredible response...." Straight out of the PFO letter. I thought it was one at first!

gbotley

15th Dec 2015, 13:38

Haha, love the use of that abbreviation. But I agree my heart skipped a beat. Good ol' CTC, keeping us on our toes. Still, don't envy them reading that many applications!!

LostInFlight88

15th Dec 2015, 17:21

Good luck to all!:ok:

blondesrule18

15th Dec 2015, 21:02

I've not heard anything yet either, only the email this morning to say about being told by the end of Dec. Do you reckon the assessment days this year will be a little later in Janaury as it sounds like the process is running behind by a couple of weeks this time round compared to last year? Nervous wait to get replacement academic certificates so hoping the assessment days are towards the end of Jan! Good luck all!

321now

16th Dec 2015, 21:21

I reckon initial selection days will run into Jan/Feb, with final candidates evaluated by the airline in March, for a Jun start, similar to previous year.

juniour jetset

17th Dec 2015, 13:00

tense times for those involved:rolleyes: - try not to let it stop you enjoying xmas!

wednesday21

17th Dec 2015, 15:01

Hi has anyone heard anything yet?. Also did any one go through the interview process for Virgin last year? what did they ask you in the interview?

Much appreciated.

blondesrule18

18th Dec 2015, 08:38

Nope I've not heard anything still - every time I get an email alert my stomach jumps!

AnnabelRT1

18th Dec 2015, 11:39

Hiya,

I've heard nothing either! It can't be too much longer if they're hoping to let everyone know before the end of the month!

Good luck to all and have a great Christmas.

foxy2112

18th Dec 2015, 13:33

How many people will be going to the first round do we think?

THR RED ACC

19th Dec 2015, 21:32

I was recently messaged about this topic with the question, "do you have Richard Branson's telephone number?"

Yeah of course!!

blondesrule18

20th Dec 2015, 11:29

Foxy2112 I think there are 300 places for the assessment day round however I think they only put 180 ish through last year so they won't necessarily fill all the spaces if the applications aren't good enough :ooh:

PA28R

20th Dec 2015, 12:51

@red_acc hahah :ok:

tfin25

22nd Dec 2015, 14:57

Looks like the emails have been sent out.

I've been invited to an assesment day at CTC.

Stratopause

22nd Dec 2015, 15:12

Congratulations tfn25! I just got one too! Looks like the dates are 5-8 Jan.

fj412

22nd Dec 2015, 15:25

Got an invitation as well and have booked myself onto the 8th of January slot. Good luck everyone!

Aviation dreamer

22nd Dec 2015, 15:34

hey everyone,

i just got an invite to this too. Does any one know how many stages there are to the programme? And how many last year sat the assessment?

Thanks!

BaronVonBarnstormer

22nd Dec 2015, 15:47

I have an invite too :D

Looks like i'll be having a bit of mental maths practice with my turkey this year.

Total speculation but i'd make an educated guess at 300 for this stage.

@Aviation dreamer there are 2 stages. If you pass CTC you may be shortlisted by Virgin for the final stage.

BVB

polar25

22nd Dec 2015, 15:48

Congrats guys! I've got one too. I'm assuming they'll post more dates as they become available?

gbotley

22nd Dec 2015, 15:59

Well done all of you :-)

Fastest Flyer

22nd Dec 2015, 16:51

I got an interview!! Can't wait to meet you all in January :)

ChrisD93

22nd Dec 2015, 18:42

Congratulations to those who have received invites!! :) I'm still waiting to hear back... so I'm not liking my chances at the moment. I'm not fully experienced with how CTC deal with applications as this is my first attempt but is there a possibility of them staggering invite emails over a few days? Or is that unlikely haha...? :/

Fostex

22nd Dec 2015, 19:50

I'm waiting to hear back as well and not hopeful.

But congratulations to all those who have been invited for interview. Start your preparation now and do yourselves proud at the interview and tests! :ok:

VChap

22nd Dec 2015, 23:31

Originally posted by ChrisD93

"I'm still waiting to hear back... so I'm not liking my chances at the moment. I'm not fully experienced with how CTC deal with applications as this is my first attempt but is there a possibility of them staggering invite emails over a few days? Or is that unlikely haha...? :/"

ChrisD93, do not worry! The emails always seem to be sent out in a haphazard fashion, and never in any logical or systematic order! I've put in applications for Virgin and BA over the past 2 years and know others in similar positions that had invitations to assessments sometimes days before I received invites, and I'm sure it will be no different this time.

Honestly, don't worry about timing. Just plan for an invite to assessment and start your preparation. Good luck! :ok:

EDI_75

23rd Dec 2015, 00:02

Good to hear that VChap. I read on a previous post by someone that they email out the successful applicants first so thought I'd missed out. Checked my application status on the CTCWings site and still showing as "awaiting selection" so perhaps there's still a nice bit of news before Xmas.

Well done to all those who've been successful so far and best of luck to everyone else who's still waiting to hear.

foxy2112

23rd Dec 2015, 07:15

I've not heard anything yet :{ fingers crossed and massive congrats to the guys that have got an assessment!!!!

SunsetSheepLandings

23rd Dec 2015, 07:26

Got a 'congratulations' too. Well done to everyone else who made it too.

JonH690

23rd Dec 2015, 09:15

I'm still waiting on a response too!

Congrats to all who have got an invite! :)

Aviation dreamer

23rd Dec 2015, 10:10

@BaronVonBarnstormer thanks, just good to get a general idea of numbers/process.

Will there be any more details provided about the assessment does anyone think? Hard to know where to start prep wise, its my first time to any of these assessments!

BaronVonBarnstormer

23rd Dec 2015, 10:43

@Aviation Dreamer. If you have a search on these forums there is plenty of info on the CTC process. Just brush up on your maths and have your interview technique sorted. Then get a good nights sleep and then stay calm on the day. There really is no trick or secret to it, just be prepared.

Good luck to everyone

BVB

gbotley

23rd Dec 2015, 11:32

Those wondering about prep i'd go give CTCs preparation guide a read.

@Aviation Dreamer. If you have a search on these forums there is plenty of info on the CTC process. Just brush up on your maths and have your interview technique sorted. Then get a good nights sleep and then stay calm on the day. There really is no trick or secret to it, just be prepared.

Good luck to everyone

BVB

foxy2112

23rd Dec 2015, 13:36

Just received an email saying I have been accepted, such a shame. But very happy for the guys that got it! Please keep us updated.

jet A380

23rd Dec 2015, 13:44

Congratulations to all those who have received invites to CTC!

Out of interest how many flying hours do you have, do you hold a PPL and what are your current ages and professions? It would be useful to know for the future. Thank you.

MattC123

23rd Dec 2015, 14:52

Congrats to all that received good news and best of luck to those still awaiting the result of the initial screening.

I'll be attending the selection day on 28th January. Hope to see some of you there...

aibkaresz

23rd Dec 2015, 14:59

Received my PFO not long ago, good luck to all of you who got through, and Merry Christmas! :)

Chris the Robot

23rd Dec 2015, 18:02

I'm one of the lucky ones, so a trip to Hampshire beckons for me.

The increased numbers at the first assessment day does appear to have correlated with the increased number of positive results on here compared with last year.

For me, the Pilot Careers Live event really helped, seeing Virgin present did give me a better idea (I think) of what it is they are looking for.

BaronVonBarnstormer

24th Dec 2015, 09:46

Has anyone managed to tie down what the pay and terms are after training? I'm waiting on an email reply but the information just doesn't seem to be out there. I'm through to Dibden but the pay might be a red line for me unfortunately.

I remember reading somewhere last year that pay was in the £30k ballpark. For me the startting salary isnt a primary concern as I applied for the career with VIR. However I fully appreciate that as you age you gain roots and responsibilities that all need supporting.

The terms thereafter I'm not sure on but I'm guessing there will be some form of tie to VIR for a good few years, or at least until 1500 hours when you can get your ATPL. But those who are successful will no doubt stay with VIR for a good few years.

Fly2122

24th Dec 2015, 16:10

Over the last few years, I have put a great deal of effort into preparing myself as a better candidate for one of these sponsorships. Among other things, it has included changing jobs, turning down offers with very decent prospects, going back to study and working two jobs along with it to help fund a PPL to allow me to complete it.

I applied for this programme and got my PFO yesterday. When the numbers to advance to stage two are small when considering the number of applications a programme like this has, receiving a PFO is unfortunate but nothing surprising. However, reading that you have been selected to advance to the next stage when you may not even turn up is extremely disheartening given your reasoning, especially as there are indications of the sort of pay successful candidates will be on, which can be found by a simple search.

The place numbers for the selection stage are tight and you may have taken an opportunity off someone like myself, who has worked their arse off and received a PFO.

For those who have reached the next stage, goodluck :ok:

edit: This was for another poster who has since deleted their post if there was any confusion.

LostInFlight88

26th Dec 2015, 06:13

lindsey.cauchi

26th Dec 2015, 13:28

Is there anyone who booked the 5th or 6th January please?

I booked my flights to accommodate those dates and when I signed in to book the selection day it was not available any longer -_-

Maybe there is someone who is willing to swap the 5th/6th with another date if CTC approves.The dates available on my profile at the moment are: 11th, 12th, 14th, 15th, 18th & 21st.

Your help would be very much appreciated guys :)

gbotley

26th Dec 2015, 21:49

As it happens I'm in a similar position with universities changing exam dates. I have the 8th if that's of any help? Not ideal, but could work?? Failing that I'd give the selection team at dibden a call, they may be nice to you given the circumstances :-)

Is there anyone who booked the 5th or 6th January please?

I booked my flights to accommodate those dates and when I signed in to book the selection day it was not available any longer -_-

Maybe there is someone who is willing to swap the 5th/6th with another date if CTC approves.The dates available on my profile at the moment are: 11th, 12th, 14th, 15th, 18th & 21st.

Your help would be very much appreciated guys :)

EZY_FR

27th Dec 2015, 06:12

After talking to people from Virgin, unless you know the right people in Virgin then you will not be selected. I was told most of the time, they have already picked who they want before the actual assessment day. It seems to be the case with all of these programmes. I'm starting to think that applying to these programmes is a complete waste of money, time and effort. :ugh:
With all due respect, I can tell you that information you have received is utter nonsense. I believed that were the case with the Aer Lingus cadet programme, but after speaking to all the cadets from last year's intake, NONE of them knew anyone from the airline. The FPP cadets I know dont have contacts with anyone from within BA either.
The point I'm trying to convey here is that the ones who are getting onto the schemes are getting in because they did the best job at selection.
I wish everyone the best of luck at selection!

MattC123

27th Dec 2015, 10:15

Agreed EZY_FR.

Hopefully some of us are able to prove LostInFlight88 wrong in the recruitment process this year!

All the best

lindsey.cauchi

27th Dec 2015, 13:11

8th could work actually .. I will keep you in mind and let CTC know you would be willing to swap with me ..

I have already e-mailed them but will call first thing tomorrow morning.

Thanks

Aviation dreamer

27th Dec 2015, 18:12

thanks BVB and others! much appreciated!! I have been under the impression that those needing to catch flights will be allowed take interviews first, is this the case from anyones past experience?

I have a flight to catch at 18.25 from Southampton Airport. Should this be feasible or should i be changing my flight? I was told by others that i should be done around 3 if im successful and get an interview?

Best of luck to everyone going for the assessment, hope you all are not as nervous as myself as a first timer!

gbotley

28th Dec 2015, 09:52

You are correct in your thought process, CTC will generally be accomodating of that fact. The 6pm end is usually the last interview.

thanks BVB and others! much appreciated!! I have been under the impression that those needing to catch flights will be allowed take interviews first, is this the case from anyones past experience?

I have a flight to catch at 18.25 from Southampton Airport. Should this be feasible or should i be changing my flight? I was told by others that i should be done around 3 if im successful and get an interview?

Best of luck to everyone going for the assessment, hope you all are not as nervous as myself as a first timer!

lindsey.cauchi

29th Dec 2015, 08:32

Hi guys,

I need to swap my CTC Virgin Selection day with the 5th/6th January as I have already booked flights and accommodation round those dates but were not available when I went on to book the Selection Day :(

I have booked the 14th January, however CTC can swap me with other dates later on in January that are still available.

I would really appreciate your help guys as I have spent too much on flights on this and I could really use the cash right now, especially since this is not a cheap process!

Thank you :)

Aviation dreamer

29th Dec 2015, 13:18

Hi Guys

Is anyone attending the assessment the 8th? Where is everyone booking into accommodation?

lindsey.cauchi

29th Dec 2015, 13:23

I've booked IBIS hotel from booking.com.. taxi from there to CTC costs £20 each way .. if you decide to book IBIS aswell we could share it as my Selection day is on the 8th too!

tfin25

29th Dec 2015, 13:50

Im booked into the Heatherdene Bed & Breakfast, £57.50 for the night with breakfast and apparently only a 6 minute drive from dibden manor.

gbotley

29th Dec 2015, 14:23

I'm at the Dale Farm House B&B, likewise, a 5 minute drive/15 minute walk.

Chris the Robot

29th Dec 2015, 14:24

The first option I tried was CTC's own accomodation at Dibden Manor, unfortunately fully booked for the day I'm going to be there. I don't know how much it costs though, I would imagine a comparable rate to the local B&Bs.

There are quite a few B&B places nearby, typically about £60 or so and some offer a complimentary lift to Dibden Manor. I've booked into one of these for the night.

Flaplesslanding

29th Dec 2015, 19:51

Just a thought for the guys above talking taxis... It's usually around £35 to hire a car for the day (fiat 500 or similar, for example from europecar or budget) at Southampton airport... Adds a lot of flexibility and removes a lot of potential for mistakes. At least that's how I always did it around there and never had a prob parking at Dibden...

icelandflyer

30th Dec 2015, 06:09

. I believed that were the case with the Aer Lingus cadet programme!

What an disorganised, poorly transparent scheme that was!

Off topic a bit but I still wonder why selection costs near £300.

25 wannabes a day, makes CTC £37,500 a week. Run it for 4 week, you make £150k. Surely not breaking even are they?

Whereas military selection you get all expenses paid, albeit transit accommodation. Yes risking your life and all that but we don't do it for that.

What a sorry state aviation finds itself that these companies see the young hopefuls rock up with rose tinted goggles on and expect them to pay travel, food, accommodation, and then a sweetener for the privilege.

Good luck to all those who make a bid, it's worth it in the end!

gbotley

30th Dec 2015, 10:21

I can think of some fees the fee may cover... All guess work, but using available data.

You have the pay of staff for their work to read all 2,200 applications (SOURCE: CTC) from this programme. That could take hours. Considering it was between 14th November and 24th December, who knows how many hours it takes. I would also imagine, CTC offsets the cost of their pilot careers advice centre with the programme application fees as they no doubt have helped people.

What an disorganised, poorly transparent scheme that was!

Off topic a bit but I still wonder why selection costs near £300.

25 wannabes a day, makes CTC £37,500 a week. Run it for 4 week, you make £150k. Surely not breaking even are they?

Whereas military selection you get all expenses paid, albeit transit accommodation. Yes risking your life and all that but we don't do it for that.

What a sorry state aviation finds itself that these companies see the young hopefuls rock up with rose tinted goggles on and expect them to pay travel, food, accommodation, and then a sweetener for the privilege.

Good luck to all those who make a bid, it's worth it in the end!

tfin25

30th Dec 2015, 12:05

Then you have the pay of staff for their work to read all 2,200 applications from this programme. That could take hours. Considering it was between 14th November and 24th December, who knows how many hours it takes.

Where have you got 2200 applicants from?

gbotley

30th Dec 2015, 12:27

The selection team themselves-- although don't hold me to that. It just came up in a quick conversation.

Where have you got 2200 applicants from?

Antares_FR

31st Dec 2015, 10:13

Hey guys, anyone going the 21th?

Best luck to everyone going for the assessment!

jet A380

31st Dec 2015, 11:00

Congratulations if you are through to the CTC assessment. Please could you share what your current job is and whether you have a PPL? Thanks.

tfin25

31st Dec 2015, 12:12

The selection team themselves-- although don't hold me to that. It just came up in a quick conversation.

Interesting, cheers.

spooks

2nd Jan 2016, 15:50

Hey guys, anyone going on the 11th?

ScienceFanatic

3rd Jan 2016, 12:44

Hi everyone! First post on here...

Spooks - I am going on the 11th. I am travelling down from the North East and staying overnight on the Sunday :)

Really looking forward to meeting you all! :ok:

Callumhughes

3rd Jan 2016, 13:13

My date is Friday 8th . I don't hold a PPL , what is everyone doing to prepare ?

ScienceFanatic

3rd Jan 2016, 15:19

Hi :)

I've practised mental maths (especially long division and ratio's) and a few numerical reasoning tests.

I've made a collection of examples from my previous and current work to common competency interview questions (Communication, Leadership, Problem Solving, etc).

As for the aptitude tests, I've familiarised myself with the types of tests but I will just leave it for when it comes. I will either have it in me or I won't.

At the end of the day, it will be a great experience and even if I am unsuccessful, I will have taken a lot home from it.

You can only do your best.

wrobson25

3rd Jan 2016, 21:16

I too am on the 11th! Staying in the Novotel in Southampton and will drive over in the morning if anyone requires a lift? Will also be driving down from Reading on Sunday afternoon/ evening time if that helps anyone?

Well done to everyone and good luck

(and to answer an earlier question, I am 8 hours into training and only 17 so still a student!)

EZY_FR

4th Jan 2016, 00:45

Good luck this week guys, I'm sure you will all do a fine job! If it doesn't work out, take heart from knowing that even getting to this stage is a tremendous achievement in itself and should put you in good stead for future pilot assessments. At the very least, its great interview practice!

Aviation dreamer

4th Jan 2016, 07:41

@callumhughes , im in the same uncertainty as yourself as to how to prep as this is my first time to an assessment and i also dont hold a PPL. Does anyone know if there will be physics/technical questions?

Crinkl3

4th Jan 2016, 11:52

Hi Guys, has anyone booked for their assessment day on Friday the 15th? :)

gbotley

4th Jan 2016, 13:08

To Mirror EZY_FR's remarks,

Well done to all those who have got this far, and that statement is a true testament with this being my second visit to CTC for this program, albeit more prepared than last time.

One of my favourite quotes is "The phoenix must burn to emerge".

That's not to say you will fail, but getting to this stage is that next step on the ladder to success you and I so desire.

As for preparation for those of you concerned, CTC have a selection guide available on their website so i'd go and give that a read :-)

All the best :)

EZY_FR

4th Jan 2016, 15:59

Just to give you a heads up, I would try and avoid posting any info on the assessment that would give others an advantage. The airlines do read these forums more regularly than you think, so proceed with caution!

volunteerpilot

6th Jan 2016, 11:17

Hi guys, does group exercise involves presentation and discussion or just discussion?

EZY_FR

6th Jan 2016, 11:37

Hi guys, does group exercise involves presentation and discussion or just discussion?

The group exercise is a group problem you need to solve as a team. You may need to do a small summary at the end(ie report your findings), but you won't have to do a presentation.

volunteerpilot

6th Jan 2016, 19:00

Thanks mate, I heard that loud mouths do well on these exercises but not sure whether that is the case or not.

EZY_FR

6th Jan 2016, 19:12

That isn't true, the ones that dominate the discussion are the ones that fail. The key is to achieve a fine balance and ensuring that your contributions are to the point. AirlinePrep has good info on group exercises.

Fastest Flyer

6th Jan 2016, 20:09

Just got an email today with my feedback. Everything on the day I passed but unfortunately my PILAPT wasn't a high enough standard this time round. So that's a target for the next time. I'm very happy to have made it to this stage and wish everyone the best of luck with their assessments this month and the lucky few who get through to final interviews with Virgin :)

speed_alive_rotate

6th Jan 2016, 20:12

In all these exercises you will be given a time limit , a fantastic tip is to volunteer to monitor the time for your group, you have then already contributed greatly and a few good points during the exercise and you stand a very good chance of progressing.

EZY_FR

6th Jan 2016, 21:34

I agree with speed_alive, I acted as timekeeper in my group ex for BA and that helped a lot. You still need to contribute constructively though, and more importantly, ensure that EVERYONE is contributing.

funkyt111

7th Jan 2016, 07:33

Hey folks,

Let me offer some advice with regards to the group exercise.

The exercise isn't about whether your talking too much or talking to little or finding the right balance. Nor is it about monitoring the time and the chipping in with the odd contribution here and there to score brownie points. You are about to embark on a very rigorous selection process and they are looking for well rounded individuals.

The group exercise is simply about demonstrating your ability to work effectively as part of a team. Keep CRM in mind. Successful teamwork encompasses a wide array of different components with communication being just one. Leadership is another fundamental aspect so there is nothing at all wrong with taking the lead but if your going to lead then lead and do so effectively and make sure you are entirely clear on what leadership is. I've always led during my group exercises but this doesn't mean that I've been overbearing, dominant or talked excessively. I've listened, contributed and supported my team by encouraging feedback and opinions from the quieter members whilst also recognising other team members ideas and contributions. Also, don't be afraid to disagree with the team even if your are heavily outnumbered. By persuading others to see things from your view point can score you a lot of points but don't disagree for the sake of disagreeing.
From the word go, look engaged, set the tone and ensure that you all share a common goal. Help keep the team on track by re-emphasising the objectives of the assignment throughout the exercise especially if you feel that the team are deviating off track.

On top of all of this, smile and enjoy it! The more you immerse yourself in the exercise the better your likely to perform!

I hope this helps. Best of luck with your assessments.

dansmith1206

7th Jan 2016, 13:08

Yes Pen and Paper will be provided, and this is stated in the selection guide on the website.

From someone who already works in the airline industry, I can say that research and being prepared is your biggest helping hand. I'd suggest having a look at some of these guides to help you, otherwise, you might find yourself lacking in what others already know.

I have a course on the 12th, staying in the ibis on the 11th. Well done to anyone who's already got a course! GOOD LUCK!

volunteerpilot

8th Jan 2016, 12:06

Hello guys, I had someone told me that they had about 100 questions in the interview? How is this possible if interview lasts only half an hour or so?

Also, did you wear suit and tie or just casual?

tfin25

8th Jan 2016, 12:37

Hello guys, I had someone told me that they had about 100 questions in the interview? How is this possible if interview lasts only half an hour or so?

Nowhere near 100 questions. It only lasts half an hour.

kirungi1

8th Jan 2016, 14:30

Volunteerpilot; interviews go with a formal wear. Don't make it too easy for them at least on this one. First impressions...
Good luck :-)

JB007

10th Jan 2016, 12:20

Also for the maths test will pen and paper be provided?

Also did you wear suit and tie or go casual?

Are some of these questions actually for real?!?

Callumhughes

10th Jan 2016, 13:56

On top with what was said before about the group task, were were advised by the Ctc selection team not to give too much away however I would give a few tips from what I have experienced. I would say that if you are in a team where there are a few individuals who are trying to take the lead and are overbearing - Don't challenge them and make an extra effort to put forward your ideas. The mistake I made in my opinion was trying too hard to voice my opinions which I think came across unprofessional. Unfortunately I felt outnumbered and cornered in the task which is why this made me look unprofessional because of the fact that I was interrupting those certain individuals who were always talking . If you have any individuals who are not team orientated and are taking a lead on purpose , I would just say sit back and let them crack on because it's not team orientated. It's a team exercise at the end of the say so just appreciate the people around you and have as much fun as possible. Good luck to those going to their selection days, no need to panic just be yourself.

EZY_FR

10th Jan 2016, 15:44

Hello guys, I had someone told me that they had about 100 questions in the interview? How is this possible if interview lasts only half an hour or so?

Also, did you wear suit and tie or just casual?

volunteerpilot

These are not questions you should be asking on this forum. If you are going to attend an interview for the biggest opportunity of your life, then you must realise that smart attire at the very least is a must for creating a long lasting impression.
I don't know how long the interview runs for, but in any case, to expect that many questions is ridiculous. The fact that you're concerned about the number of questions says a lot. Forget about the number of questions that Virgin/CTC will ask you at the interview and focus more on preparing for the questions that will likely come up. Look at the key competencies, read up on Virgin, CTC, why CTC, etc.
I wish you the best of luck!