GPCAPT L Mandrake
12th Oct 2015, 10:18
Consider this brilliance:
D3513/15 - TEMPO DANGER AREA ACT BEAUDESERT QUEENSLAND IN CLASS C AND G AIRSPACE DUE INTENSE PARAGLIDING. LATERAL LIMITS: S27 58.0 E152 48.6, S27 53.0 E152 52.2, S27 55.5 E153 11.8, S28 02.0 E153 10.1 THEN ALONG THE MINOR ARC OF A CIRCLE OF 40.0NM RADIUS CENTRED ON S27 22.0 E153 08.3 (BN/VOR) TO S27 58.0 E152 48.6, S27 53.0 E152 52.2 ATC SERVICES NOT PROVIDED TO PARTICIPATING GLIDERS AND PARAGLIDERS. DIRECTED TRAFFIC INFORMATION SERVICE WILL NOT BE PROVIDED TO OR ABOUT THE PARAGLIDERS OR HANG GLIDERS. ATS SERVICES PROVIDED BETWEEN NON PARTICIPATING AIRCRAFT. CTC BRISBANE CENTRE ON AREA FREQ. 7500FT AMSL - 8500FT AMSL, DAILY 0000/0800, 24 OCT 00:00 2015 UNTIL 31 OCT 08:00 2015. CREATED: 07 OCT 09:34 2015
D3512/15 - TEMPO DANGER AREA ACT SPRINGBROOK, QUEENSLAND IN CLASS C AND G AIRSPACE DUE INTENSE HANG GLIDING AND PARAGLIDING. LATERAL LIMITS: S27 55.5 E153 11.8, S28 03.0 E153 17.2, S28 13.9 E153 16.7, S28 24.0 E153 16.0, S28 31.9 E153 06.8 THEN ALONG THE MINOR ARC OF A CIRCLE OF 30NM RADIUS CENTRED ON S28 10.6 E153 30.3 (CG/VOR) TO S28 28.5 E153 03.3 S27 55.5 E153 11.8 ATC SERVICES NOT PROVIDED TO PARTICIPATING GLIDERS AND PARAGLIDERS. DIRECTED TRAFFIC INFORMATION SERVICE WILL NOT BE PROVIDED TO OR ABOUT THE PARAGLIDERS OR HANG GLIDERS. ATS SERVICES PROVIDED BETWEEN NON PARTICIPATING AIRCRAFT. CTC BRISBANE CENTRE ON AREA FREQ. 6500FT AMSL - 8500FT AMSL, DAILY 0000/0800, 24 OCT 00:00 2015 UNTIL 31 OCT 08:00 2015. CREATED: 07 OCT 09:34 2015
So the crux of it is CASA have created a temporary danger area within Class C airspace that encompasses some of the ARR/DEP Routes for BN/CG.
They then say that ATC will provide services between aircraft not participating. Fine - that is what Class C is after all, so nothing new there.
But - what the hell happened to separation of VFR and IFR? I.e. Separation from the SPA Aircraft and others? The airspace Class hasn't changed? So who is separating? And who is taking responsibility for separation as we descend down through those easy to see paragliders and hang gliders? I would assume an ATC would be extremely reluctant to issue an ATC clearance through this airspace because of this. SO why isn't it a Temp Restricted area, or alternatively a temp Airspace reclassification to G?
I don't get it.
D3513/15 - TEMPO DANGER AREA ACT BEAUDESERT QUEENSLAND IN CLASS C AND G AIRSPACE DUE INTENSE PARAGLIDING. LATERAL LIMITS: S27 58.0 E152 48.6, S27 53.0 E152 52.2, S27 55.5 E153 11.8, S28 02.0 E153 10.1 THEN ALONG THE MINOR ARC OF A CIRCLE OF 40.0NM RADIUS CENTRED ON S27 22.0 E153 08.3 (BN/VOR) TO S27 58.0 E152 48.6, S27 53.0 E152 52.2 ATC SERVICES NOT PROVIDED TO PARTICIPATING GLIDERS AND PARAGLIDERS. DIRECTED TRAFFIC INFORMATION SERVICE WILL NOT BE PROVIDED TO OR ABOUT THE PARAGLIDERS OR HANG GLIDERS. ATS SERVICES PROVIDED BETWEEN NON PARTICIPATING AIRCRAFT. CTC BRISBANE CENTRE ON AREA FREQ. 7500FT AMSL - 8500FT AMSL, DAILY 0000/0800, 24 OCT 00:00 2015 UNTIL 31 OCT 08:00 2015. CREATED: 07 OCT 09:34 2015
D3512/15 - TEMPO DANGER AREA ACT SPRINGBROOK, QUEENSLAND IN CLASS C AND G AIRSPACE DUE INTENSE HANG GLIDING AND PARAGLIDING. LATERAL LIMITS: S27 55.5 E153 11.8, S28 03.0 E153 17.2, S28 13.9 E153 16.7, S28 24.0 E153 16.0, S28 31.9 E153 06.8 THEN ALONG THE MINOR ARC OF A CIRCLE OF 30NM RADIUS CENTRED ON S28 10.6 E153 30.3 (CG/VOR) TO S28 28.5 E153 03.3 S27 55.5 E153 11.8 ATC SERVICES NOT PROVIDED TO PARTICIPATING GLIDERS AND PARAGLIDERS. DIRECTED TRAFFIC INFORMATION SERVICE WILL NOT BE PROVIDED TO OR ABOUT THE PARAGLIDERS OR HANG GLIDERS. ATS SERVICES PROVIDED BETWEEN NON PARTICIPATING AIRCRAFT. CTC BRISBANE CENTRE ON AREA FREQ. 6500FT AMSL - 8500FT AMSL, DAILY 0000/0800, 24 OCT 00:00 2015 UNTIL 31 OCT 08:00 2015. CREATED: 07 OCT 09:34 2015
So the crux of it is CASA have created a temporary danger area within Class C airspace that encompasses some of the ARR/DEP Routes for BN/CG.
They then say that ATC will provide services between aircraft not participating. Fine - that is what Class C is after all, so nothing new there.
But - what the hell happened to separation of VFR and IFR? I.e. Separation from the SPA Aircraft and others? The airspace Class hasn't changed? So who is separating? And who is taking responsibility for separation as we descend down through those easy to see paragliders and hang gliders? I would assume an ATC would be extremely reluctant to issue an ATC clearance through this airspace because of this. SO why isn't it a Temp Restricted area, or alternatively a temp Airspace reclassification to G?
I don't get it.