The Dockers Fokkers...

[Capn Bloggs]

The West Australian, 20Sep15
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Fans to fly high for grand final fling
Fremantle and West Coast are yet to book their spots in the grand final but that has not stopped WA fans chartering their own planes.

As the other hopefuls run each other ragged this weekend, Perth aviation charter companies are dealing with unprecedented interest.

Alliance Airlines has booked more than half a dozen planes for the trip east, including two Fokker 100s chartered by the Fremantle Dockers women’s fan club, the Sirens.

Sirens member Michelle Garrett, 52, said the concept of chartering a plane started as a joke in 2013.

Perth software engineer Neil Fisher has chartered two planes through Alliance and he’s calling them “The Docker Fokkers”.

Tickets were $1350 return and there was a waiting list for Eagles fans in case the Dockers dropped out.

Tour companies are also getting involved, including Australian Tours for Sport, an agency run by Robert Whan, who has two planes.

Hype Tours owner Aaron Ford has created the “Hype Plane” — a Fokker 100 with a 50-50 split of Eagles and Dockers fans.

Warren Puveanendran, of Cobham Aviation Services, said the interest was different from 2013. “We have three planes booked and one on standby,” he said.

“If both sides make the grand final, we’ll have to find some more planes.”

Every Perth aviation charter company canvassed byThe Weekend West had fielded multiple inquiries in recent weeks. The fans were given a scare yesterday with reports that refuelling workers at Perth Airport were threatening industrial action.

But the major airlines said even in the event of a strike, they expected minimal service disruptions.

A nice little earner... :D

[BNEA320]

at those prices, probably worth repositioning aircraft from as far a field as ADL or ?

[Skystar320]

Why would you reposition an aircraft from Adelaide?

Its all about demand and at this present time only two fokkers will be used.

Any other charters - they will use the same a.c or use one from Perth.

Possible routing Perth - Kalgoorlie - Melbourne

[PoppaJo]

Go via Asia.

Perth to Bali/Singapore/KL on Jetstar/AirAsia/Scoot

then down to Melbourne.

Quick look it can be done for less than $500 return across the weekend. Jetstar price beats 10% against other carriers if cheaper same day.

I just couldn't live with paying Jetstar $1500 return PER-MEL-PER on a A320!

[Transition Layer]

I hope the Freo faithful haven't signed on the dotted line for these charters yet. The Hawks looked very good last night, and Freo will have their work cut out for them next weekend!

[Buttscratcher]

How do you legally sell tickets on a Charter over that route?

[morno]

Easy. The group concerned charters the jet, and then they sell the tickets to interested people.

What's so hard about that?

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

G O W C E.....

And the Dockers too.....

:ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

[Buttscratcher]

Ah, bit of a smartass reply there mo'

[onetrack]

The hard part will be trying to control a planeload of well-lubricated West Oz team supporters, on their way home, and still celebrating, after a West Oz team has taken out the AFL premiership. :suspect:

[morno]

Well you asked a question Buttscratcher, I gave an answer.

No legal issue as far as I can see.

morno

[BNEA320]

Easy. The group concerned charters the jet, and then they sell the tickets to interested people.

What's so hard about that?it's illegal according to casa & CAPPER decision a few years ago in federal court. A birdsville races charter was stopped by interfering casa few years back. Cos apparently should have been rpt. Apparently an existing rpt operator can do it no hassles.

[AerocatS2A]

it's illegal according to casa & CAPPER decision a few years ago in federal court. A birdsville races charter was stopped by interfering casa few years back. Cos apparently should have been rpt. Apparently an existing rpt operator can do it no hassles.

Do you have a cite for that?

Edit: I found this http://www.australianflying.com.au/news/casa-issues-rpt-reminder-to-charter-operators. I suspect the difference is that companies like Cobham and Alliance DO have an RPT authorisation.

[short-field]

Civil Aviation Safety Authority v Caper Pty Ltd [2012] FCA 1213 (2 November 2012) (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCA/2012/1213.html)

[le Pingouin]

Caper were flying a scheduled daily service & the Docker Fokkers are clearly one-off flights:

"15. The first type is described in subreg 206(1)(b)(i) which relates to air operations commonly described as “open charters”. Relevantly, an open charter is the charter of an aircraft for the carriage of passengers where the flight is not on a fixed schedule to and from fixed terminals, that is, a charter which is on demand. Such carriage may be open to the general public. It is common ground that the Caper air operation is outside the scope of this subregulation because the flights in question were on a fixed schedule to and from fixed terminals."

[Kranky]

A few years ago, when the NQ Cowboys made it into the NRL grand final in Sydney, QF dropped a 747 into TSV as a charter to get fans to Sydney. Can't remember if it was a return charter as well, though I do remember that after the Grand Final the Cowboys fans had nothing to celebrate.
Maybe they'll get there again this year.

[Car RAMROD]

Evidently they will not be needed any more.

Too soon? :}

We are the Freo chokers!

[Capt Claret]

I reckon the Roo's for an upset today, meaning the WEagles Fokkers won't be needed either!

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[lemel]

Capt Claret you are dreaming!

West Coast will have the flag this year.:D

[Capt Claret]

Perhaps lemel, perhaps. But some dreams don't hurt. :}

[Capn Bloggs]

On the theme of "charters"...

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/regional/goldfields/a/29630912/luxury-flight-to-the-afl-grand-final/

[Monopole]

The folks who are behind the Docker Fokkers hedged their bets this year. WCE fans were allowed to register for a seat in the event the Dockers lost. The Docker Fokker will still go, it will just be full of blue and yellow.

[neville_nobody]

And the irony of all this is that the players all fly commercial in economy!

I am surprised that by now the Perth teams don't have a private jet or long term charter contract between them given the amount of travel they do.

[VH-ABC]

Not all in economy Neville. The last flight I did with AFL players on board there were 8 of them in business. Maybe leadership group? Captains mates?

[Capn Bloggs]

Maybe leadership group?
CRM 101... :ok:

[C441]

Back in the days when Qantas flew the AFL players, a particular Brissy 737 Captain with connections to a few of the Lions players, "managed" to operate most, if not all, of the team's flights around the country.

It was not unusual for the flight to return from interstate at lower (cabin) altitudes to facilitate the improved recovery from soft tissue injuries to the players.

[Skystar320]

Ozjet 732's were used a couple years ago with Charters / AFL teams.

I'm actually suprised that some teams dont have a VIP Aircraft!

[TWT]

I'm not so surprised.By going with with VA or Q,there is a much larger fleet to call on in the event an aircraft goes tech.

[Capt Claret]

The dream's pretty good lemel at ¼ time, 3.4.22 to 0.2.2 in favour of the Roos. Could be a pretty good match.

[boocs]

Good for some.

b.

[Capn Bloggs]

Any more comments about the score, Claret? :}

[Capt Claret]

The dream was better at ¼ time, acceptable at ½ time, and went south, though not too far, from there.

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[Capn Bloggs]

Apple flavour, I assume... :)

[wheels_down]

Virgin just added a tonne of extra flights

$2700 return!

[Capn Bloggs]

Disgraceful. :=

[Ken Borough]

Virgin just added a tonne of extra flights

$2700 return!

A foreign-controlled airline masquerading as Australian ripping and gouging Australians. :mad:

[neville_nobody]

Or maybe they're just down to the last few seats remaining...........:rolleyes:

[Snakecharma]

Got to make some money one day a year...

[log0008]

Imagine the demand and prices if the dockers made it too.

[Capt Claret]

Does the aeroplane just arrive in PER via a portkey to carry the Muggles to MEL for the Grand Final, or does it actually have to fly there?

[Capn Bloggs]

Claret, get off that Apple Juice and write in plain English please! :)

[CFM56-7]

You guys need to do a little research, look at the Qantas website and see what they are selling seats for ! Looks like $1400 on way, $500 more than the said airline. Chill out

[Ken Borough]

One of the reasons for high fares before and after special events such as the Grand Final, is that airlines put on extra capacity that essentially empty in one direction. They have to recover the cost of this from those who occupy the seats going the other way. Were it not for the special event, you wouldn't have a capacity imbalance. One has to question, however, how much ripping and gouging takes place versus cost recovery and a reasonable contribution to profit.

[Chadzat]

That reply to a Qantas post was a bit different to your one before about Virgin there Ken. Hows you're balance-o-meter going? Needs a tune up?

It will be interesting to see how many F100s are parked in ML on Saturday! Might be a record for the number of Dutch aeroplanes in YMML?!

[Skystar320]

Only 3 so far.....

[Ken Borough]

That reply to a Qantas post was a bit different to your one before about Virgin there Ken. Hows you're balance-o-meter going? Needs a tune up?

It will be interesting to see how many F100s are parked in ML on Saturday! Might be a record for the number of Dutch aeroplanes in YMML?!

Chad,

Not really! Balance is fine. My post was made before any supplementary flying by the Big Two was put on sale.

On Dutch aeroplanes, I think there would have been a lot more at Tulla in the 70s and 80s then you will see there this coming week-end. :ok:

[laardvark]

The dockers fokkers are chokkers with ockers .
hope the crew have hearing protection - these are the loudest people in history .

[B772]

From memory there were 4 Fokker Jets at Essendon in 2013 for the G/F.

[Going Nowhere]

1 left last night and another 4 due today, and that's just Alliance.

[BPA]

There are at least 4 Cobham Rj100/146 flights heading to YMEN via AD.

[Going Nowhere]

Looks like at least;
6 Alliance Fokkers
4 Cobham 146's
1 Network F100
2 Vara Fokkers

Plus everything from BNE/TSV for whatever that other match is on this weekend..

[Goat Whisperer]

Is everyone using MEL/Essendon? No love for wide open Avalon?

[logansi]

Currently 2 from Alliance and 1 Virgin 737 getting close to Melbourne, Qantas seem to be running an extra 330 to Perth to return later.

[Skystar320]

Network = 1 x Fokker 100
Alliance = 1 x Fokker 100 & 2 x Fokker 70
VARA = 2 x Fokker F100
Cobham = 3 x BAe 146/RJ Aircraft

[Capn Bloggs]

6 thorns and 3 roses...

[Capt Claret]

Lotsa T Tails @ Essendon today, driving past on the way to the MCG to watch the ThreePeat.

[TBM-Legend]

Waste of time and money for those from the West:ouch:

[PoppaJo]

Good luck getting into PER this morning vis down to 100m